tightpockt
Well-Known Member
@Padawanbater2 you keep using words like "should"and "deserve" and those two concepts are irrelevant.
When you say things like "deserve" that means that someone owes you something and you're saying that someone is your employer. Since when is your employer responsible for your living situation? Why does it become an employers responsibility that their employee or the employees parents made bad life choices? Even if you want to blame things like institutionalized racist policies that have detrimental effects that last generations...how does that then become the responsibility of some guy who owns a water ice stand, or a McDonald's franchisee or a fortune 500 company for that matter?
You say "country that has the ability to provide higher wages to workers" but the money isn't coming out of the pockets of 'america' it's business owners your asking to foot the bill for other people.
I try not to make generalizations but I can't help but see patterns in certain ideologies. A lot of people have this parent/child mindset,..where the government or employer or some other group is the parent and thus responsible for your food, clothes, housing and all the other stuff that was provided for you as a child. Some people never grow out of being provided for and now, when they're adults, think they're entitled to something.
I'm not saying it doesn't suck to be born into poverty, those who are definitely start life without the same advantages of those who aren't born into poverty but lets keep it in perspective....If you're born in this country you're already part of the global %1.
For all the faults this country has it still offers more opportunities than almost everywhere else.
Also, what you're 'demanding' is something in return for nothing. You want people with the least amount of skills who applied the least amount of effort to receive more without offering anything in return.
The government has no business in a contract between two people. Of course the government loves the idea because that takes the onus off of them and places is right in the lap of the middle class. Higher minimum wage = more taxable income and less welfare. Which brings up another point. Most adults living off of minimum wage are also receiving welfare benefits that provide food assistance, cash assistance, housing, utilities, medical and a whole host of other programs. Should these people still receive all of this support once they're making more money? If not, they're right back to being dirt poor again after expenses... so what's the point?
For the guy who said he's working 50 hours a week and only bringing home $460...you made the wrong choices, unless you're happy with your circumstances in which case you made the right choices. If it's that shitty then just get another job..you still have choices, you still have opportunities to make moves that might lead to more money. When you break it down and look at all the reasons why you are where you are who's responsible ultimately?
When you say things like "deserve" that means that someone owes you something and you're saying that someone is your employer. Since when is your employer responsible for your living situation? Why does it become an employers responsibility that their employee or the employees parents made bad life choices? Even if you want to blame things like institutionalized racist policies that have detrimental effects that last generations...how does that then become the responsibility of some guy who owns a water ice stand, or a McDonald's franchisee or a fortune 500 company for that matter?
You say "country that has the ability to provide higher wages to workers" but the money isn't coming out of the pockets of 'america' it's business owners your asking to foot the bill for other people.
I try not to make generalizations but I can't help but see patterns in certain ideologies. A lot of people have this parent/child mindset,..where the government or employer or some other group is the parent and thus responsible for your food, clothes, housing and all the other stuff that was provided for you as a child. Some people never grow out of being provided for and now, when they're adults, think they're entitled to something.
I'm not saying it doesn't suck to be born into poverty, those who are definitely start life without the same advantages of those who aren't born into poverty but lets keep it in perspective....If you're born in this country you're already part of the global %1.
For all the faults this country has it still offers more opportunities than almost everywhere else.
Also, what you're 'demanding' is something in return for nothing. You want people with the least amount of skills who applied the least amount of effort to receive more without offering anything in return.
The government has no business in a contract between two people. Of course the government loves the idea because that takes the onus off of them and places is right in the lap of the middle class. Higher minimum wage = more taxable income and less welfare. Which brings up another point. Most adults living off of minimum wage are also receiving welfare benefits that provide food assistance, cash assistance, housing, utilities, medical and a whole host of other programs. Should these people still receive all of this support once they're making more money? If not, they're right back to being dirt poor again after expenses... so what's the point?
For the guy who said he's working 50 hours a week and only bringing home $460...you made the wrong choices, unless you're happy with your circumstances in which case you made the right choices. If it's that shitty then just get another job..you still have choices, you still have opportunities to make moves that might lead to more money. When you break it down and look at all the reasons why you are where you are who's responsible ultimately?
