Ridiculously slow growth
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Be patient, not a patient.....unless you have a mmj card lol. But for reals, don't try so hard, and try to enjoy your first few grows. Remember, you are growing as well, and it will all take some time. Keep up the good work!
undercovergrow
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you don't need to feed them at this stage. the one seedling you can clearly see the top has a bit of black on the new growth and generally looks over watered yet the one in the group shot to the far right looks like it is drying up or burnt. you might be loving them too much? 
they look a little small, but they take a few weeks of growing (roots mostly) to start noticing it--before you know it, they'll be much bigger. i used to pH my soil, but no longer worry about it (well, except for when an occasional plant gives me problems). check out ROLS and try to keep it simple. your new lamps are gonna rock! 
good luck on the grow @Camo Hat 
it's awesome to smoke your own! 
they look a little small, but they take a few weeks of growing (roots mostly) to start noticing it--before you know it, they'll be much bigger. i used to pH my soil, but no longer worry about it (well, except for when an occasional plant gives me problems). check out ROLS and try to keep it simple. your new lamps are gonna rock! good luck on the grow @Camo Hat it's awesome to smoke your own! 
Camo Hat
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I'm not freaked out over the slow growth. Well, sort of. I do believe that they'll take off one day.
When they get bigger I'm switching them to a new grow space. They'll be living in an unused shower stall in a room with no windows. There's a ceiling fan over the shower that leads outdoors.
It's gonna be fun to smoke my own weed.
I thank you all.
When they get bigger I'm switching them to a new grow space. They'll be living in an unused shower stall in a room with no windows. There's a ceiling fan over the shower that leads outdoors.
It's gonna be fun to smoke my own weed.
I thank you all.
Alexander Supertramp
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Yes annuals do appreciate a dark period in its daily light cycle. But to say the dark/lights off time promotes roots growth is just ridiculous. The more natural light cycle promotes more overall benefits, both above and down below...
Alexander Supertramp
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Its your lights causing the slow growth. CFLs can veg and grow just fine. Just dont expect the same growth rates as those using HID or similar...
Camo Hat
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Well, the lighting is going to change big time as soon as my big guns arrive.
THX.
Alexander Supertramp
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Nice....
rkymtnman
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6 hours of dark is 25% less the plants could be growing. and dark period has nothing to do with roots.
don't believe me, try 2 plants under 18/6 and 24/0 and let me know what happens. i've done it and that's why i do 24/0.
cc2012
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Sorry its a Copy and Paste, been looking for the other Info I have on Plants and Light Cycles and Rest(dark/night) Periods...
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To simplify things, lets use an analogy. Try to think of a plant as a building… one constantly under construction. The plant needs raw materials, (fertilizers and water), and energy (light) in order to “build itself”. The raw materials are the “bricks and mortar” of the building. The energy is the workers, vehicles and power tools used to assemble the building.
The Plant is capable of storing some raw materials and some energy for use later, but the amount is limited...think of a warehouse and a battery.
* During the day, (Lights ON) the plant is collecting and storing light energy, and is using and storing raw materials. The plant is stockpiling raw material, and is charging it’s batteries… it is ALSO using raw materials and using the energy it is collecting. It’s building itself, literally putting itself together.
During the day however, the plant is not as efficient at building itself, as it is at night (lights OFF.) It can build itself, but not as quickly.
* While the lights are OFF, the plant is using energy and raw materials to build itself…. the plant is more efficiently using the raw materials that it stored during the day. The plant is better at transporting and assembling the raw materials.
The bad news: since there is no light energy, the plant must rely on energy it stored while the lights were ON (its stored energy). (Essentially, the plant is running on batteries, and using raw material from the warehouse.)
There is no light energy to collect. Since the plant needs energy to absorb more raw materials, it is easier for the plant to use raw materials that it stored during the day than it is to absorb raw materials through its roots.
* Although the plant IS capable of “doing it all” with the lights on, (Collect, store and use energy & raw materials) it does a better job of actually doing the work (using the energy and raw material) while the lights are out. During the dark however, it relies solely on its limited supply of stored energy and stored raw material.
One last thing to remember is the fact that a plant will always strive to maintain a balance between the size of its roots and the size of its canopy (Leaf mass.) The roots must be big enough to supply as much raw materials as the canopy can use, and the canopy must be big enough to provide the energy required to store those raw materials….
atb
all Creds to > SmokeyMacPot 420Member
To simplify things, lets use an analogy. Try to think of a plant as a building… one constantly under construction. The plant needs raw materials, (fertilizers and water), and energy (light) in order to “build itself”. The raw materials are the “bricks and mortar” of the building. The energy is the workers, vehicles and power tools used to assemble the building.
The Plant is capable of storing some raw materials and some energy for use later, but the amount is limited...think of a warehouse and a battery.
* During the day, (Lights ON) the plant is collecting and storing light energy, and is using and storing raw materials. The plant is stockpiling raw material, and is charging it’s batteries… it is ALSO using raw materials and using the energy it is collecting. It’s building itself, literally putting itself together.
During the day however, the plant is not as efficient at building itself, as it is at night (lights OFF.) It can build itself, but not as quickly.
* While the lights are OFF, the plant is using energy and raw materials to build itself…. the plant is more efficiently using the raw materials that it stored during the day. The plant is better at transporting and assembling the raw materials.
The bad news: since there is no light energy, the plant must rely on energy it stored while the lights were ON (its stored energy). (Essentially, the plant is running on batteries, and using raw material from the warehouse.)
There is no light energy to collect. Since the plant needs energy to absorb more raw materials, it is easier for the plant to use raw materials that it stored during the day than it is to absorb raw materials through its roots.
* Although the plant IS capable of “doing it all” with the lights on, (Collect, store and use energy & raw materials) it does a better job of actually doing the work (using the energy and raw material) while the lights are out. During the dark however, it relies solely on its limited supply of stored energy and stored raw material.
One last thing to remember is the fact that a plant will always strive to maintain a balance between the size of its roots and the size of its canopy (Leaf mass.) The roots must be big enough to supply as much raw materials as the canopy can use, and the canopy must be big enough to provide the energy required to store those raw materials….
atb
If you use tap water, what is its TDS in parts per million? My tap is up around 600ppm. When I used that it had a similar effect on my young plants. They didn't grow much, seemed stunted, held back. (You want it to be in the 100-200 range.).
BTW: Jacks 20-20-20 is good. There are people who grow with 1-1-1 NPK ratio from start to finish. I would have recommended you get Citrus Feed for veg (it's 2-1-2) and Bloom Booster for flower (it's 1-3-2). You could mix them in early flower to get something ratios between those two.
But, nothing wrong with 1-1-1. You can't know how higher N in veg (or P in flower) work without comparing it to something.
BTW: Jacks 20-20-20 is good. There are people who grow with 1-1-1 NPK ratio from start to finish. I would have recommended you get Citrus Feed for veg (it's 2-1-2) and Bloom Booster for flower (it's 1-3-2). You could mix them in early flower to get something ratios between those two.
But, nothing wrong with 1-1-1. You can't know how higher N in veg (or P in flower) work without comparing it to something.
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Alexander Supertramp
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POS is a strong thing. But true knowledge is even stronger. You seem to be hanging out with POS,,,,
Alexander Supertramp
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Yep, both above and down below. Better to be balanced rather than one sided....
Camo Hat
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I don't know what my tap water's TDS is. It's from a deep well in my yard. I can use Poland Springs bottled water which is 35-46 ppm TDS. Is it better to have low TDS ?
Thanks
If it's too low (for example RO water), you'll need to add some TDS. Either from high TDS tap water or from a small amount of calmag.
If you don't have a TDS meter, I'd say it's up there in importance as the ph meter. This HM TDS-3 is a decent one for $20. You don't have to buy any special calibration fluids. Eventually you'll want to calibrate it. But, you can dissolve 1g table salt in 1 liter of water. That's 1000ppm. That will get you close enough for what you're doing.
For now, without knowing your tap water's quality, I would use the bottled water and add 2ml calmag per gallon. If you don't have calmag (and there's probably no reason to buy it yet), the next thing I'd do is mix tap and bottled water equally. If your tap is bad, it would improve it substantially. If your tap is good, it shouldn't make it too light on minerals. I.e., seems like a good bet until you find out what your tap water is.
Camo Hat
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I have no opinion because I don't know shit.
Camo Hat
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Thanks.