Did Area 51 Drop The W100?

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HiloReign

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I, for one, just feel bad for AZ2000 LOL! It's like talking to a brick wall, yet the wall might have something more intelligent to say...

Perspective? That's hilarious, the discount was still extended to you from the original price, whether or not it was offered to others doesn't concern you.
 

tstick

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holy shit now you are accusing of bait and switch? did they send you a different light than you ordered? sounds like you are just butt hurt because you aren't being treated special, which you are not no matter how much mommy tells you that you are.
not a different light - a different policy. Reading and comprehending are two separate things.
 

tstick

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I, for one, just feel bad for AZ2000 LOL! It's like talking to a brick wall, yet the wall might have something more intelligent to say...

Perspective? That's hilarious, the discount was still extended to you from the original price, whether or not it was offered to others doesn't concern you.


It's not the same discount if that's the general price, though. The discount that was offered to everyone (based on pricing from years ago) became new general price. So, the return-customer discount policy that was offered should apply to the general price. If he lowers that general price then great for everyone…but should be especially great for returning customers. Instead, the return customer discount -(not talking about the general pricing discount), was disregarded and the slate was wiped clean. He took it off the website. New deal.

Let the already-invested customer benefit, too. That's what I want to see all businesses do. But it seems like this particular company doesn't like "being hassled by needy customers" So…okay. -duly noted.
 
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az2000

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I'm already moving forward. And are you "Jeff's" spokesman on here?.
Actually, I think it would be better to just throw $20 to people who need validation and avoid all this negative stuff. I think that's just the cost of doing business.

OTOH: "just doing business" in the LED world comes with many negatives (as we've already discussed regarding PlatinumLED, et. al.). Maybe Jeff can leave the high-maintenance customers for the shark tank of companies. He doesn't have to be everything to everyone. He focuses on R&D, his customers value that, and they don't pee-pee themselves over small stuff.

It's not the same discount if that's the general price, though.
You still haven't explained how that gives you a different price than you expected back then.

If you want to use the discount, you should expect it to be applied to the price that existed back then (when the frequent-flier discount was subsidized by higher initial prices).
 
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az2000

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The discount that was offered to everyone from years ago was the new general price.
The only thing that matters is what you would pay now (using today's less gimmicky pricing) versus what you would have paid if you used your discount under the old pricing.

What would the difference be?
 

az2000

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I, for one, just feel bad for AZ2000 LOL! It's like talking to a brick wall, yet the wall might have something more intelligent to say...
I guess I keep thinking they'll see it if they think about it long enough. I can sort of understand tstick's perspective. If you go to the grocery store and say "hey, I thought this was $2.99, not $5.99" they tend to give you $2 and not sweat the small stuff. They make it back on volume. Instead of tying up the line, sending a courtesy clerk to check the price, they make it right and win a customer for life. Customers like being taken care of.

I can see tstick's point this way. Jeff could do better this way.

But, the LED market isn't the grocery market. There's a lot of BS and predation out there. Jeff can compete on more meaningful, substantive attributes like quality of materials, warranty support, upgrades, staying at technology's "knee of the curve."

It's a different customer/seller relationship. Sometimes you do better than you thought you would, other times worse. A51 is more like part of the community. We get something that's more like straight-from-the-developer's workbench. I'd drop $20 on Jeff just to buy him dinner. I'm not going to pee-pee myself over stupid stuff.

If someone needs a more traditional customer/seller relationship, there's many other companies. But, be careful because most are predatory, selling low-bin stuff or epistar/epiled junk. Rapid/Onyx, AdvancedLED, Cree household lights sold at Home Depot. That's about as far as I'd go in the US. Bonsai/Hans, plantphotonics is about it for Europe. Anything beyond that and you're in questionable territory.
 
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tstick

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He moves out old inventory to make room for the new models. As a result of that, he lowers the GENERAL price on those older models. That's easy to understand.

Therefore, as an informed-customer looking for the BEST price, I wait until he lowers the GENERAL PRICING and then make my secondary purchase with the idea that, as a returning customer, I will ALSO receive and additional discount based upon that GENERAL PRICING. *In my best Jamaican accent* Let me bruk it down!:

1.) I pay $500 for my first light (full retail) with the understanding that, IF I buy from him again, then I will get a $50 discount. Meaning that I will get my second light for $450 -IF the general pricing doesn't change.

2.) Over the course of time, he lowers his general pricing nearing the end of the year so that, what once was $500 is now $400.

Great! Especially for me! I am a returning customer, after all! :)

3.) I wait until the general prices are lowered and then make my order -again, WITH the understanding that I can take off that additional $50, thinking that MY price will be $350.

4.) but…nope! -policy has changed!
 

tstick

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And before anyone suggests that he shouldn't be expected to lose money in order to make me happy, I want to point out that my intention was to CONTINUE to purchase lights from him for years to come. He wouldn't ever have lost money on me. I'm one of those loyal customers (like many of you) who go back, again and again.
 

PSUAGRO.

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He moves out old inventory to make room for the new models. As a result of that, he lowers the GENERAL price on those older models. That's easy to understand.

Therefore, as an informed-customer looking for the BEST price, I wait until he lowers the GENERAL PRICING and then make my secondary purchase with the idea that, as a returning customer, I will ALSO receive and additional discount based upon that GENERAL PRICING. *In my best Jamaican accent* Let me bruk it down!:

1.) I pay $500 for my first light (full retail) with the understanding that, IF I buy from him again, then I will get a $50 discount. Meaning that I will get my second light for $450 -IF the general pricing doesn't change.

2.) Over the course of time, he lowers his general pricing nearing the end of the year so that, what once was $500 is now $400.

Great! Especially for me! I am a returning customer, after all! :)

3.) I wait until the general prices are lowered and then make my order -again, WITH the understanding that I can take off that additional $50, thinking that MY price will be $350.

4.) but…nope! -policy has changed!
EH can change the policy whenever he wants..........it's HIS COMPANY, don't like it== don't buy it.....

don't like his customer service==== don't buy it

don't like his fixture(s) availability==== don't buy it

don't like his online behavior===== don't buy his gear.............pretty simple pattern

sorry if i'm being too blunt, had this ass at the bar last night trying to fight over me questioning his stance on lobsters being "immortal".......lol
 

tstick

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Absolutely correct. He can jump up and down and light his hair on fire if he wants.

He runs his company how he wants to. I don't like his style of doing business. I will go elsewhere. I'm just relating a story about my personal experience and perspective in regards to the company because I did business with them at one time.

It's like Mick Jagger once said, "I used to love her….But it's all over now!"

Peace.

:)
 

az2000

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He moves out old inventory to make room for the new models. As a result of that, he lowers the GENERAL price on those older models. That's easy to understand.
You can still buy old inventory at a discount. Those are discounted from the new, less gimmicky pricing model. They're relative to today's prices the same way they were to the prices at the time.

How much would a new light cost back then with the discount? What does a new light cost now without the discount? Specifically, how much money are you losing?
 

lemmy714

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EH can change the policy whenever he wants..........it's HIS COMPANY, don't like it== don't buy it.....

don't like his customer service==== don't buy it

don't like his fixture(s) availability==== don't buy it

don't like his online behavior===== don't buy his gear.............pretty simple pattern

sorry if i'm being too blunt, had this ass at the bar last night trying to fight over me questioning his stance on lobsters being "immortal".......lol
I completely agree with this. He has great lights...but if you don't like the service don't buy. I chose not to buy myself and went with a Hans Panel. Reason why is because every time I made an order, I received an email the next day saying they were out of stock. He needs better communication with his warehouse on the availability of his product. I would not of cared if the website said they were out of stock and to make a pre-order (which is what is happening now) but at the time my orders were placed they were listed in stock and took payment for them. Also, the one time I did get my order, it came to me in the mail with a broken fan. It took him 2 weeks to mail out a replacement after saying it would be mailed out immediately. The package for the fan had a ship out date two weeks later than when he said he would send a new one. I love their lights, just a little frustrated with my experience ordering from them which is why I opted to get the Hans. In the future, I will be building my own COBs
 

az2000

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I received an email the next day saying they were out of stock. He needs better communication with his warehouse on the availability of his product.
I agree with that. Inventory is a closed system. There should never be a misunderstanding about how many lights (or replacement parts) are in stock, committed to a pending order, etc. This should be a process, not an art.

I don't mind if Jeff doesn't kiss his customer's behinds. In the LED market he fills a void for those who don't need their behinds kissed. But, the supply chain shouldn't be so opaque. It's just a process. Three buckets (available, reserved, committed). Increment and decrement the counters as customers proceed from adding to cart to payment. If not paid for in 30 minutes, decrement "reserved" and increment "available." (Expire their cart so there's no confusion.).

I think he's seeing a lot more demand which causes typical growing pains. He probably also doesn't want legacy inventory after releasing his new lights rumored to be April. If I were him I would have expected demand to die off as people waited for the new model. If demand increased, that would be a challenge.

But, I agree that this should be more transparency about what's available, what's in the pipeline, whether someone has an actual unit reserved or not, if not in stock, when their reserved unit should be in stock and shipped. This should be a process. A database. Not shuffling papers in the background.
 
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lmoore2680

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As explained in 10 mobile pages his lights are great,stock sucks and tstick and Dogknot are not happy. Did I miss something? I thought this was about a W100 not being in stock or offered Y the need for so much hate?

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tstick

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You can still buy old inventory at a discount. Those are discounted from the new, less gimmicky pricing model. They're relative to today's prices the same way they were to the prices at the time.

How much would a new light cost back then with the discount? What does a new light cost now without the discount? Specifically, how much money are you losing?
New light, back then , with discount…about $450~

Same light, with general pricing discount, at it's lowest point (that I know of)…about $400

I expected to get the light for $350, but he said he was no longer honoring the return-customer discount. $400 was as low as it was going to go.

But none of the lights that I wanted are even available, now, anyway! Too late!

And, yes, I know that I would have been willing to pay $450 back in the day, when the prices were high. Irrelevant, though…He changed the general pricing on the remaining inventory he had so that he could make room for the next models that would be soon replacing the older versions. I just waited for what I thought was going to be the best deal for me, the returning customer. Hurray for me! right? Nope.

It's only $50 in terms of cash, but the idea behind advertising an incentive such as a return-customer discount and then not honoring that specific discount, after the fact, is worrisome to me. The discount was in addition to the general pricing, as I understood it to be advertised.

The policy was a hassle for him? Okay, but why take away my cupcake? :) I didn't do anything wrong! I just wanted to give him hundreds more dollars is all! :)

It's worrisome to me. It indicates that if he gets too exasperated by some other policies that he made, then he might just change those, too, (to avoid hassles from needy customers). It's his company and he can do whatever he wants. nyeh! nyeh! ;)
 

DogKnot

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As explained in 10 mobile pages his lights are great,stock sucks and tstick and Dogknot are not happy. Did I miss something? I thought this was about a W100 not being in stock or offered Y the need for so much hate?

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I'm happy. Im always happy. I just like to fact check statements and call bullshit when I see it.
 

DogKnot

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New light, back then , with discount…about $450~

Same light, with general pricing discount, at it's lowest point (that I know of)…about $400

I expected to get the light for $350, but he said he was no longer honoring the return-customer discount. $400 was as low as it was going to go.

But none of the lights that I wanted are even available, now, anyway! Too late!

And, yes, I know that I would have been willing to pay $450 back in the day, when the prices were high. Irrelevant, though…He changed the general pricing on the remaining inventory he had so that he could make room for the next models that would be soon replacing the older versions. I just waited for what I thought was going to be the best deal for me, the returning customer. Hurray for me! right? Nope.

It's only $50 in terms of cash, but the idea behind advertising an incentive such as a return-customer discount and then not honoring that specific discount, after the fact, is worrisome to me. The discount was in addition to the general pricing, as I understood it to be advertised.

The policy was a hassle for him? Okay, but why take away my cupcake? :) I didn't do anything wrong! I just wanted to give him hundreds more dollars is all! :)

It's worrisome to me. It indicates that if he gets too exasperated by some other policies that he made, then he might just change those, too, (to avoid hassles from needy customers). It's his company and he can do whatever he wants. nyeh! nyeh! ;)
We get it it. You wanna have Jeff's baby. You wanna be his baby momma.


Thankfully, with Jeff's company, the reputation precedes any new model and will provide the W-100 with a positive foundation to be hoisted upon.
Evidently, not: https://www.rollitup.org/t/area-51-w100-led.856626/

I'm still not understanding why the prefix change. If it's just "half an XGS-190" the change in model designation creates unnecessary confusion (notwithstanding how terrific A51 lights are, and model designations shouldn't mean anything, and I'd bear Jeff's baby if I could.).
 
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