Public Schools

[londonfog]

Simple poll to see if public schools are beneficial to the American way of life. Some here have said that we don't need public schooling and it is a waste of our tax dollars.

 

[Pinworm]

We don't need no schoolings.

 

[sheskunk]

Meltdown.

 

[londonfog]

We don't need no schoolings.

I guess they be smart

 

[deadgro]

It was good for me. But I went to a middle/upper-middle class district, though we lived in a poorer area. I'm 28 for reference, my parents made $60-70k/year combined with 2 kids. The avg household income for the district was much more.

We had bussing and a great music program, I got a good education. But I've been around lower income public schools and its a mess. There's no money so what are they to do?

 

[londonfog]

It was good for me. But I went to a middle/upper-middle class district, though we lived in a poorer area. I'm 28 for reference, my parents made $60-70k/year combined with 2 kids. The avg household income for the district was much more.

We had bussing and a great music program, I got a good education. But I've been around lower income public schools and its a mess. There's no money so what are they to do?

yes sometime where you live determines the quality of the school. Higher property tax usually means a better school.

 

[NoDrama]

Simple poll to see if public schools are beneficial to the American way of life. Some here have said that we don't need public schooling and it is a waste of our tax dollars.

I think you have presumed others opinions on the necessity of PUBLIC schools as being supportive of no education at all. I would wager that anyone against PUBLIC schools is not against educating children.

 

[londonfog]

I think you have presumed others opinions on the necessity of PUBLIC schools as being supportive of no education at all. I would wager that anyone against PUBLIC schools is not against educating children.

ummm the poll has home schooling.

 

[londonfog]

@ginwilly make sure you vote

 

[NoDrama]

ummm the poll has home schooling.

Why doesn't it have Private Schooling as one of the choices? What about Charter schooling, what about Magnet Schools and Parochial schools?

 

[TheHermit]

yes sometime where you live determines the quality of the school. Higher property tax usually means a better school.

I agree with the first statement, but I am not so sure about the second. I pay roughly the same amount of property taxes as my parents, yet their house is worth at least four times as much as mine. They live in one of the best school districts in my state, while I live in a school district that graduates students that can barely spell their own names. I think a lot comes down to the quality of parenting the student gets at home.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Going through public education, I was a B average student. I think the social aspect was beneficial beyond measure. Public education teaches you how to interact with other people in life. As far as genuine education, it simply taught me the basics. I believe the decade after has been much more educational as I've learned the things I'm personally interested in. Public education gives you a base, but I think what you do after that is more important. I read a quote one time that said something like "life is a constant learning experience" and it's always stuck with me. I had a conversation with my dentist one time about his education and he said he's constantly updating his knowledge going to seminars and conferences to get the most up to date information available, I thought that was pretty admirable.

 

[overgrowem]

I have attended and since retirement substituted in big city, small town, and districts where they pumped in daylight. It is very noticeable that the rural district kid just don't see the same need to be educated as the urban kids. Some may be parenting but I get the sense it is more of a rural culture thing.perhaps passed down unconsciously gen. to gen..The rurals also,on the whole, lag behind even the project school kids in basic respect....

 

[Padawanbater2]

I have attended and since retirement substituted in big city, small town, and districts where they pumped in daylight. It is very noticeable that the rural district kid just don't see the same need to be educated as the urban kids. Some may be parenting but I get the sense it is more of a rural culture thing.perhaps passed down unconsciously gen. to gen..The rurals also,on the whole, lag behind even the project school kids in basic respect....

That's an interesting observation

Ever heard of the generational rat experiment? Rats were timed going through a maze, fastest rats were bred together, offspring ran the maze 30% faster than their parents.

You might be onto something. I find your conclusion to be pretty accurate, most rural (southern) kids tend to grow up with a more conservative/religious base than urban (northern/coastal) kids.

Imo, conservatism is detrimental to the success of our society. Tenants that are overtly sexualized and non issues are at the forefront of the republican party. Benghazi, gay marriage, LGBT rights, even civil rights are all distractions designed to keep people from discussing real issues which is something the republican base refuses to acknowledge or even identify.

 

[overgrowem]

That's an interesting observation

Ever heard of the generational rat experiment? Rats were timed going through a maze, fastest rats were bred together, offspring ran the maze 30% faster than their parents.

You might be onto something. I find your conclusion to be pretty accurate, most rural (southern) kids tend to grow up with a more conservative/religious base than urban (northern/coastal) kids.

Imo, conservatism is detrimental to the success of our society. Tenants that are overtly sexualized and non issues are at the forefront of the republican party. Benghazi, gay marriage, LGBT rights, even civil rights are all distractions designed to keep people from discussing real issues which is something the republican base refuses to acknowledge or even identify.

Didn't mean to separate northern/southern just city vs. country. I credit rat performance to passing down higher % of smart genes averaged over total offspring using TWO bright parents. Nothing unexpected there.Your last para. is where the meat of the discussion lies but it is stated in a way that makes it hard for my reply to be on target , and I am tired. I wrote a reply, then nixed it. You have the germ of a good discussion here but I'll have to pick it up after iv'e gotten some sleep.

 

[londonfog]

Why doesn't it have Private Schooling as one of the choices? What about Charter schooling, what about Magnet Schools and Parochial schools?

not everyone can afford to go to private school. Public school does not charge. Not every area has the choice of charter school. The choices I'm looking at is home schooling or public schooling.

 

[londonfog]

I agree with the first statement, but I am not so sure about the second. I pay roughly the same amount of property taxes as my parents, yet their house is worth at least four times as much as mine. They live in one of the best school districts in my state, while I live in a school district that graduates students that can barely spell their own names. I think a lot comes down to the quality of parenting the student gets at home.

I did say usually. There are exceptions to the rule. My property tax is pretty high compared to others, but the public schools in my area are wonderful. I do agree with the parenting in the household is a major factor in most cases. My household you are not allowed to bring home anything lower than a B. You grade average better be at least 85 or 3.3 GPA

 

[londonfog]

The fuck public school doesnt charge. I dont have kids and I pay THOUSANDS of dollars a year for public school...

Take your concept of free and shove it up your ass... 'no charge'

fair enough ...lets say public school does not charge everyone or does not charge like private schools

 

[NLXSK1]

Lets say public school does charge everyone since that is more accurate.

Homeowners pay property taxes to subsidize the school system. Every homeowner has to pay these taxes. If you are a renter, your landlord is paying the taxes and passing them on to you.

So, if you live in America and pay property taxes or pay rent then you are paying for the public school system

At least private schools only charge those they offer services for, the government confiscates my income at the threat of taking my property away and gives me no choice in the matter regardless of whether I have children or not.

And for the record, I do not object to certain taxes and understand that government needs money to operate. However, when those taxes are wasted or used and services not provided such as our failing school system then I feel justified in stepping up and demanding changes or at least my damn money back...

 

[londonfog]

Lets say public school does charge everyone since that is more accurate.

Homeowners pay property taxes to subsidize the school system. Every homeowner has to pay these taxes. If you are a renter, your landlord is paying the taxes and passing them on to you.

So, if you live in America and pay property taxes or pay rent then you are paying for the public school system

At least private schools only charge those they offer services for, the government confiscates my income at the threat of taking my property away and gives me no choice in the matter regardless of whether I have children or not.

And for the record, I do not object to certain taxes and understand that government needs money to operate. However, when those taxes are wasted or used and services not provided such as our failing school system then I feel justified in stepping up and demanding changes or at least my damn money back...

How did you vote ?