What are the best nutrients out there?whats better advanced nutrients or hydro fuel?

What are the best nutrients out there?whats better advanced nutrients or hydro fuel?

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Just finished trying out AN for the first time. I also used Bud candy, B-52, 1/3 does botanicare calmag, for the last week I ran out of bud candy so I switched to GH koolbloom ripining boost. Not once did I check the ph or ppm, just followed the back of the bottle minus using RO water, used carbon filtered tap water. (Had a money back promise from the hydro store) And I'm more then happy with the results, I didn't yeild as much as I did using GH maxi grow, botanicare sweet raw, botanicare calmag. But the quality and tric. Production literally amazed me, I've been growing the same strain for over a year now and I never had trics on the underside of fans and sweet leaves untill I used AN. Now I'm not saying AN is the best, but so far its worked the best for me with half the work of most other nutes. In my opinion its just a matter of finding what works for you, your setup, and strain. For my next run I'm going with botanicare progrow, bot. Calmag, bot. Sweet raw, last 2 weeks switching from sweet to GH bloom boost. For veg I use GH maxi grow, sweet raw, botanicare calmag IMAG0527.jpgIMAG0471.jpg
 
churchhaze said:
Synthetic often means better. Miracle grow, Peters 20-20-20, Jack's classic, shultz are all examples of synthetic urea products, which is technically organic.
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Because of my experience with other types of gardening (I do organic food, but have done synthetics with ornamentals) I understand why synthetics may be more readily available, both during scheduled feedings or correcting deficiencies. But I figure I really should attempt both because consumers, esp med patients, often prefer stuff that's organic (or natural, counting the rock powders).

As new as I am, I'm only guessing but I suspect the synthetics may boost yields and visual appeal, but the organics may have broader terp representations.

So would you use all of those mentions on plants? Seems I've heard the jury go both ways on Miracle-Gro.
 
I mean that's basically it. If you can get a higher price tag offering organic, go for it.. but I can't tell the difference. I'm not much of a liar.. but maybe you can just lie and tell people it's all organic? lol. jk jk

I bet if i sold my hydro stuff in a dispensary, people would swear it's organic if told them to guess. I think organic is just a buzzword that customers will pay more for. I like to do organic with as much organic matter i have to recycle (like lawn clippings are used to top dress outdoor gardens rather than throwing away).

Cowboy Kahlil said:
Because of my experience with other types of gardening (I do organic food, but have done synthetics with ornamentals) I understand why synthetics may be more readily available, both during scheduled feedings or correcting deficiencies. But I figure I really should attempt both because consumers, esp med patients, often prefer stuff that's organic (or natural, counting the rock powders).

As new as I am, I'm only guessing but I suspect the synthetics may boost yields and visual appeal, but the organics may have broader terp representations.

So would you use all of those mentions on plants? Seems I've heard the jury go both ways on Miracle-Gro.
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As long as it's schedule 1 you can't get an official organic certification but labs can - at least - test for pesticides and other 'cides' so there may be ways to get that certified. But it's likely difficult to prove what nutes were used.

Myself, I wouldn't want to cheat, nor charge more. But if I do medi grows, even I'd feel better about the medicine's purity. I don't think sick folks need any added possibilities of allergic reactions to chem traces.
 
churchhaze said:
I mean that's basically it. If you can get a higher price tag offering organic, go for it.. but I can't tell the difference. I'm not much of a liar.. but maybe you can just lie and tell people it's all organic? lol. jk jk

I bet if i sold my hydro stuff in a dispensary, people would swear it's organic if told them to guess. I think organic is just a buzzword that customers will pay more for. I like to do organic with as much organic matter i have to recycle (like lawn clippings are used to top dress outdoor gardens rather than throwing away).
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anyone that's grown o
true natural organics can tell the difference. For one most hydro growers dont know a thing about brix levels. So hydro has a weaker flavor , not as pungent as organic. 2. Hydro grown buds are full of chemicals and salts and the smoke will be far more harsher.
 
All urea is organic. Organic just means it has HC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urea

"Urea or carbamide is an organic compound with the chemical formula CO(NH2)2."

and

"The discovery by Friedrich Wöhler in 1828 that urea can be produced from inorganic starting materials was an important conceptual milestone in chemistry, as it showed for the first time that a substance previously known only as a byproduct of life could be synthesized in the laboratory without any biological starting materials, contradicting the widely held doctrine of vitalism."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic

"A plastic material is any of a wide range of synthetic or semi-synthetic organic solids that are malleable."

hyroot said:
how is synthetic urea technically organic? Peters and miracle grow also have toxic sludge as their base. @churchhaze
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churchhaze said:
All urea is organic. Organic just means it has HC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urea

"Urea or carbamide is an organic compound with the chemical formula CO(NH2)2."

and

"The discovery by Friedrich Wöhler in 1828 that urea can be produced from inorganic starting materials was an important conceptual milestone in chemistry, as it showed for the first time that a substance previously known only as a byproduct of life could be synthesized in the laboratory without any biological starting materials, contradicting the widely held doctrine of vitalism."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic

"A plastic material is any of a wide range of synthetic or semi-synthetic organic solids that are malleable."
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so.its not organic then. If its not 100% organic its not organic. Derived from organic or having an organic compound with a synthetic compound does not make it organic.if there is 1% synthetics or chems then its not natural organic and if its synthesized in a lab and doesn't naturally occur in nature is not.organic.
 
That's not what organic means. What you're calling organic is a newly invented marketing term.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_compound

Technically everyone will have to use something inorganic. Oxygen gas is inorganic. My point is there's such thing as natural inorganic (rocks), and synthetic organic(plastics).

hyroot said:
so.its not organic then. If its not 100% organic its not organic. Derived from organic or having an organic compound with a synthetic compound does not make it organic.if there is 1% synthetics or chems then its not natural organic and if its synthesized in a lab and doesn't naturally occur in nature is not.organic.
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It is a lot of fun hootin and hollerin endlessly debating this topic!! What a colossal, tired, debate! "organic" vs "chemical"... Surely if we could harness the ten million stoner man hours (myself included) have been spent on this "no clear winner" debate we could have (as a collective) engineered ourselves a UFO LED panel to fly all us growers to the moon.... or something meaningful.

Instead, as growers we could be focusing our efforts on something positive, with a clear goal. Like simply getting the nutrient companies to start doing better QUALITY CONTROL so that each batch of ferts they put on the market stays uniform does not vary batch to batch. Or at least a primitive "reputation" system to rank nute companies on QC.

A simple goal, every nute batch should go thru QC and test the same as the previous batch.

Why are we as a community wasting time on this never ending argument/battle? Quality control at nutes companies is notoriously horrendous and simply hurts our end product.

Of course this Quality Control will never happen, we can't even get stores selling herbal supplements to QC correctly lol.... Well, at least our Department of Agriculture has a worldwide program to ensure our beef is high quality! lol

GNC, Target, Wal-Mart, Walgreens accused of selling adulterated ‘herbals’
A warning to herbal supplement users: Those store-brand ginkgo biloba tablets you bought may contain mustard, wheat, radish and other substances decidedly non-herbal in nature, but they’re not likely to contain any actual ginkgo biloba.

That’s according to an investigation by the New York State attorney general’s office into store-brand supplements at four national retailers — GNC, Target, Walgreens and Wal-Mart. All four have received cease-and-desist letters demanding that they stop selling a number of their dietary supplements, few of which were found to contain the herbs shown on their labels and many of which included potential allergens not identified in the ingredients list.

“Contamination, substitution and falsely labeling herbal products constitute deceptive business practices and, more importantly, present considerable health risks for consumers,” said the letters, first reported today by the New York Times.

The tests were conducted using a process called DNA barcoding, which identifies individual ingredients through a kind of “genetic fingerprinting.” The investigators tested 24 products claiming to be seven different types of herb — echinacea, garlic, gingko biloba, ginseng, saw palmetto, St. John’s wort and valerian root. All but five of the products contained DNA that was either unrecognizable or from a plant other than what the product claimed to be.

In a press release, New York Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman said DNA tests were run on supplements claiming to contain ginko bilboa, St. John's wort, ginseng and echinacea. Samples of the supplements were purchased from various locations around New York, and each sample was tested five times. In four out of five cases, the tests showed that the pills contained nothing more than fillers such as asparagus, rice, wheat or houseplants lol.
 
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