What are the best nutrients out there?whats better advanced nutrients or hydro fuel?

What are the best nutrients out there?whats better advanced nutrients or hydro fuel?

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purplehays1

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THERE IS NO PRODUCT THAT IS BETTER FOR THE MONEY THAN GH 3 PART FLORA SERIES, REMEMBER THAT NUTRIENTS ARE LIKE MULTIVITAMINS, NOT FOOD, MORE IS NOT BETTER AND MORE EXPENSIVE IS NOT MORE EFFECTIVE

IT IS ABOUT GIVING THE RIGHT AMOUNT AT THE RIGHT TIME, WITH AN U ARE PAYING FOR THEM TO TELL YOU WHEN YOUR PLANTS NEED WHAT, YOU SHOULD LEARN TO DO THIS YOURSELF, BUT WHILE YOU DO AN PRODUCTS WILL PRODUCE GOOD RESULTS.
 

churchhaze

Well-Known Member
The only people who would understand or listen to the test results would be the people who already use synthetics. The traditionalists will never bend to test results. Even if the tests show the organic has 10 times the level of heavy metals, you will get some explanation about how the organic heavy metals are "organic" and thus safe.

There really is no debate on organics vs synthetics. The "organic" growers will always glaze over, wait for you to finish, then go on about how their stuff tastes better, is healthier, and better for the environment, even if your test results show that your method in fact produces better tasting results with less harm to the environment, organic growers will respond with "at least it's organic"

There are quality control tests done, on everything!! There are regulations for everything!

The truth is that most of those tests show that organic sources of nutrients are higher in heavy metals than the same synthetic nitrate salts or urea based formulas. The truth is that hydroponically grown fruits are tastier, more resistant to pests and thus in less need of pesticides, and that it's cheaper, better for the environment. The truth is that some synthetics are GOOD for the bacteria living in the soil, not bad! Jack's classic, a synthetic urea based nutrient, will not kill the bacteria in the soil, it will FEED them. Nitrifying bacteria eat ammonia, which is released from urea!


It is a lot of fun hootin and hollerin endlessly debating this topic!! What a colossal, tired, debate! "organic" vs "chemical"... Surely if we could harness the ten million stoner man hours (myself included) have been spent on this "no clear winner" debate we could have (as a collective) engineered ourselves a UFO LED panel to fly all us growers to the moon.... or something meaningful.

Instead, as growers we could be focusing our efforts on something positive, with a clear goal. Like simply getting the nutrient companies to start doing better QUALITY CONTROL so that each batch of ferts they put on the market stays uniform does not vary batch to batch. Or at least a primitive "reputation" system to rank nute companies on QC.

A simple goal, every nute batch should go thru QC and test the same as the previous batch.

Why are we as a community wasting time on this never ending argument/battle? Quality control at nutes companies is notoriously horrendous and simply hurts our end product.

Of course this Quality Control will never happen, we can't even get stores selling herbal supplements to QC correctly lol.... Well, at least our Department of Agriculture has a worldwide program to ensure our beef is high quality! lol

GNC, Target, Wal-Mart, Walgreens accused of selling adulterated ‘herbals’
A warning to herbal supplement users: Those store-brand ginkgo biloba tablets you bought may contain mustard, wheat, radish and other substances decidedly non-herbal in nature, but they’re not likely to contain any actual ginkgo biloba.

That’s according to an investigation by the New York State attorney general’s office into store-brand supplements at four national retailers — GNC, Target, Walgreens and Wal-Mart. All four have received cease-and-desist letters demanding that they stop selling a number of their dietary supplements, few of which were found to contain the herbs shown on their labels and many of which included potential allergens not identified in the ingredients list.

“Contamination, substitution and falsely labeling herbal products constitute deceptive business practices and, more importantly, present considerable health risks for consumers,” said the letters, first reported today by the New York Times.

The tests were conducted using a process called DNA barcoding, which identifies individual ingredients through a kind of “genetic fingerprinting.” The investigators tested 24 products claiming to be seven different types of herb — echinacea, garlic, gingko biloba, ginseng, saw palmetto, St. John’s wort and valerian root. All but five of the products contained DNA that was either unrecognizable or from a plant other than what the product claimed to be.

In a press release, New York Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman said DNA tests were run on supplements claiming to contain ginko bilboa, St. John's wort, ginseng and echinacea. Samples of the supplements were purchased from various locations around New York, and each sample was tested five times. In four out of five cases, the tests showed that the pills contained nothing more than fillers such as asparagus, rice, wheat or houseplants lol.
 
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rob333

Well-Known Member
Rock nutrients or advanced?
rock sucks and advanced nutes the guys fucks kids out of all the nutes i have tryed and i have used alot the genral hydro range is just awesome house and garden canna and devils harvest only ones i will use period
 

churchhaze

Well-Known Member
Well that's odd. It's not often those guys are totally honest! Usually everything they sell is "great".

Dude at the shop i go to laughs when i buy Foxfarm. He says everybody pays for the cartoon graphics on label. I like the results all i ever used tho
 

MrDankFace

Member
about 5 years ago. Everything that came out of Humboldt was grown with AN. Looked great. All tasted exactly the same. No matter who grew it. And same thing with 2 dispensaries in SoCal. I've used all kinds of nutes. I ran hydro for 6 years. Using various so called organic nutes (all.companie lie). I've ran soil for a total of 8 years. Various nutes. An, botanicare, yellow bottle, age old, roots organic, earth juice, jacks, Humboldt nutes, canna, bio canna, dragonflyearth medicine. Nothing compares to living soil. That's my experience. Dem produced the best quality of bottled nutes. Some same strains some.different. I've been doing living organics for the past 4 years. I will continue with that method for the rest of my life. No other method can compare to the quality it produces.
I'm not sure DEM products fit in the category of "bottled nutes" with the rest of those that you mentioned. What's the difference between living organics and their products? Serious question.
 

mrtycoon916

Active Member
I haven't tried mills but Ive heard they send out samples or you can hit up "Heavt T's Grow Show" (google) and they'll hook you up with the entire mills nutrient line and some other cool stuff too if you call in on wednesdays between 6:00pm and 10:00pm pst
Thanks will deff give that a try
 

29menace

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Never heard of hydro fuel. Advanced works well. Bit expensive but works.

He is right. Just got to get he ratios of each one right for what the plant is asking for.
My charts are for 20litre tanks and work well. Hope this helps you. Adv nutrients is expensive yes but worth every penny in my opinion.
especially when you use the pirahna powder and tarantula powder together.
 

DirtyMcCurdy

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Expensive as hell, useless additive IMO. Contains humic acid, which has no business in hydro.

If your looking to spend some money on a quality additive, look into Ersa Elixir. It is for flowering and is by far my favorite additive I use. The company is coming out with a veg additive soon that will let plants pull nitrogen as they want it, instead of force feeding like we do in hydro.
Didn't know plants could tell the difference between humic in soil and humic in hydro? Thats a new one. I use Age Old Organics humic and I've noticed that it helps. Humic aids in nutrient uptake, I could be wrong, but I don't think it matters how its applied.
 

Carolina Dream'n

Well-Known Member
Didn't know plants could tell the difference between humic in soil and humic in hydro? Thats a new one. I use Age Old Organics humic and I've noticed that it helps. Humic aids in nutrient uptake, I could be wrong, but I don't think it matters how its applied.
Humic acid forms bonds with phosphoric acid. Therefor when u add ph down u have a fallout. Humic acid stains and degrades plastics. It really doesn't belong in a reciurculating hydro system.
 

Malaka1115

Member
I've been using advanced nutes the last 3 years and have been pretty happy with it. I hear good things about Heavy 16 so I'm going to try a run with that
 

DirtyMcCurdy

Well-Known Member
Humic acid forms bonds with phosphoric acid. Therefor when u add ph down u have a fallout. Humic acid stains and degrades plastics. It really doesn't belong in a reciurculating hydro system.
That all may be true but I know there are at least a few nutrient companies out there that use humic in one or more of their products.
 

resinousflowers420

Well-Known Member
The only people who would understand or listen to the test results would be the people who already use synthetics. The traditionalists will never bend to test results. Even if the tests show the organic has 10 times the level of heavy metals, you will get some explanation about how the organic heavy metals are "organic" and thus safe.

There really is no debate on organics vs synthetics. The "organic" growers will always glaze over, wait for you to finish, then go on about how their stuff tastes better, is healthier, and better for the environment, even if your test results show that your method in fact produces better tasting results with less harm to the environment, organic growers will respond with "at least it's organic"

There are quality control tests done, on everything!! There are regulations for everything!

The truth is that most of those tests show that organic sources of nutrients are higher in heavy metals than the same synthetic nitrate salts or urea based formulas. The truth is that hydroponically grown fruits are tastier, more resistant to pests and thus in less need of pesticides, and that it's cheaper, better for the environment. The truth is that some synthetics are GOOD for the bacteria living in the soil, not bad! Jack's classic, a synthetic urea based nutrient, will not kill the bacteria in the soil, it will FEED them. Nitrifying bacteria eat ammonia, which is released from urea!
wrong.organic grown are actually more resistant to pests and desease,this is common knowledge.also i can tell the difference between organic and synthetic,just because you cant,it doesnt mean i cant.i started off growing using sythetic nutrients 12 years ago,but have switched over to more organic methods over the years,and am happier with the quality im getting.guano teas and liquid seaweed work really well.
 

churchhaze

Well-Known Member
Nope, organic will burn your mouth off.

wrong.organic grown are actually more resistant to pests and desease,this is common knowledge.also i can tell the difference between organic and synthetic,just because you cant,it doesnt mean i cant.i started off growing using sythetic nutrients 12 years ago,but have switched over to more organic methods over the years,and am happier with the quality im getting.guano teas and liquid seaweed work really well.
 
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