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gr865

gr865

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Black Widow (MNS) in two gallon Hempy buckets Mainline (manifold) grow.
400W MH - 400W HPS

Well, here we go again, 5 Black Widow regulars, all popped on 12/27 and doing ok.
After soaking for 20 hrs in H2O I planted directly into two gallon 65/35 Perlite/Coco Coir Hempy buckets and they emerged in 4 days.
Had some issues with my mix and water. I charged the coco but did it with rainwater which was just to pure so the Cal/Mag did not take. Spoke with the folks at GH and they helped me discover the problem. I am now using 3/5ths rainwater and 2/5ths tap water. I had not been using my tap due to the high pH and ppm, pH of almost 8 and ppm of of almost 800. Mixing the two waters and adding 5ml/gal each of Cal/Mag and Silica worked on the coir. Now when I nute it is 6 ml FloraMicro and 9 ml FloraBloom per gallon, plus 3 to 5 ml each Cal/Mag and Silica. Feeding twice then will use just fresh mixed and adjusted water (heavy watering), then back to the feedings.
I waited till I had 6 nodes and made my first cut at the third node. That was yesterday and I kept the 5 tops and are trying to clone them, they were thick so I hope they take.


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The following were all taken on 1/19










Hope to get three females out of the 5 beans, will clone no matter. Can't wait for this, friend of my just got back from Amsterdam an had this in a coffee shop, said it was the best she has ever had. Hell she is my age and we have a lot of herb under our belts. LOL

Peace out,

GR

 
dluck

dluck

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gr865 said:
Black Widow (MNS) in two gallon Hempy buckets Mainline (manifold) grow.
400W MH - 400W HPS

Well, here we go again, 5 Black Widow regulars, all popped on 12/27 and doing ok.
After soaking for 20 hrs in H2O I planted directly into two gallon 65/35 Perlite/Coco Coir Hempy buckets and they emerged in 4 days.
Had some issues with my mix and water. I charged the coco but did it with rainwater which was just to pure so the Cal/Mag did not take. Spoke with the folks at GH and they helped me discover the problem. I am now using 3/5ths rainwater and 2/5ths tap water. I had not been using my tap due to the high pH and ppm, pH of almost 8 and ppm of of almost 800. Mixing the two waters and adding 5ml/gal each of Cal/Mag and Silica worked on the coir. Now when I nute it is 6 ml FloraMicro and 9 ml FloraBloom per gallon, plus 3 to 5 ml each Cal/Mag and Silica. Feeding twice then will use just fresh mixed and adjusted water (heavy watering), then back to the feedings.
I waited till I had 6 nodes and made my first cut at the third node. That was yesterday and I kept the 5 tops and are trying to clone them, they were thick so I hope they take.


1/1


1/7


1/14


The following were all taken on 1/19










Hope to get three females out of the 5 beans, will clone no matter. Can't wait for this, friend of my just got back from Amsterdam an had this in a coffee shop, said it was the best she has ever had. Hell she is my age and we have a lot of herb under our belts. LOL

Peace out,

GR

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Have you ever smoked White Widow ?
 
dluck

dluck

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gr865 said:
Yes, My last two grow have had Amsterdammarijuanaseeds.com white widow. They have been very good but this is the real deal. I have smoked Nirvana WW also, not as good.

GR
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Ok cool because I was gonna say WW and BW are the same strain..bred by the same breeder just under two different labels
 
gr865

gr865

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dluck said:
Ok cool because I was gonna say WW and BW are the same strain..bred by the same breeder just under two different labels
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Hey bud,
There are many breeders that now say they have WW, but Shantibaba, the original breeder of WW when he was with Greenhouse seeds, took the mother plant with him when he left Greenhouse.
So others have tried to match it by breeding the same strains, no one has bred anything like his Widow.
This strain will be a keeper even for the males, will harvest the pollen from the males to use for some planned breeding.
From Mr. Nice Seeds website.

"Black Widow

A most infamous strain that since 1994 has won a number of awards, including the High Times Cannabis Cup in 1995, and has acquired acclaim from most corners of the globe - rightly so. It has a pedigree of parentage that combines a Brazilian Sativa with a South Indian hybrid. Basically, it is the original parents of White Widow changing its colors like its company. Indoors 10 weeks of flowering will be necessary to realize the immense resin production. In the northern hemisphere expect harvest around September/October, having planted as late as June. However, there is a chance that rain could reduce the expected yield. A highly recommended strain for amateur breeders - the male being preferable."

Peace out,

GR
 
dluck

dluck

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gr865 said:
Hey bud,
There are many breeders that now say they have WW, but Shantibaba, the original breeder of WW when he was with Greenhouse seeds, took the mother plant with him when he left Greenhouse.
So others have tried to match it by breeding the same strains, no one has bred anything like his Widow.
This strain will be a keeper even for the males, will harvest the pollen from the males to use for some planned breeding.
From Mr. Nice Seeds website.

"Black Widow

A most infamous strain that since 1994 has won a number of awards, including the High Times Cannabis Cup in 1995, and has acquired acclaim from most corners of the globe - rightly so. It has a pedigree of parentage that combines a Brazilian Sativa with a South Indian hybrid. Basically, it is the original parents of White Widow changing its colors like its company. Indoors 10 weeks of flowering will be necessary to realize the immense resin production. In the northern hemisphere expect harvest around September/October, having planted as late as June. However, there is a chance that rain could reduce the expected yield. A highly recommended strain for amateur breeders - the male being preferable."

Peace out,

GR
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Yeah that's what I was talking about when he left and started Mr. Nice Seeds but I didn't remember who it was he was with when he named it White Widow in the beginning...been awhile since I ready the story...plus I can't remember exactly why he had to change the name after he left.
 
gr865

gr865

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dluck said:
Yeah that's what I was talking about when he left and started Mr. Nice Seeds but I didn't remember who it was he was with when he named it White Widow in the beginning...been awhile since I ready the story...plus I can't remember exactly why he had to change the name after he left.
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He changed it so we can tell we are getting the real deal.
If you look up WW seed sellers you will see there are many "breeders" that produce WW, but look at the potency and the % cannabinoids, you can see the difference.
Don't get me wrong, the WW's I have smoked have been ok to very good but this is supposed to be special.

Read this somewhere.
MNS
Black Widow = White Widow
Medicine Man = White Rhino
Shark Shock = Great White Shark
All of these were bred by Shantibaba and he took the mothers with him when he left Greenhouse, so as to not confuse people he changed the names of his stock.

When they come available again I will get me some Medicine Man and Shark Shock, I have two fem Nirvana White Rhino beans now the I am going to pop after this grow.
It is noted that all these MNS seeds are regulars. They do not do a fem of these, so if you see someone offering these as fems they are not the real deal. I like reg seeds over fems as I believe the plants are stronger and more potent, IMHO, than the fems. Plus you can get some pollen for breeding.

Peace out,

GR
 
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dluck

dluck

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gr865 said:
He changed it so we can tell we are getting the real deal.
If you look up WW seed sellers you will see there are many "breeders" that produce WW, but look at the potency and the % cannabinoids, you can see the difference.
Don't get me wrong, the WW's I have smoked have been ok to very good but this is supposed to be special.

Read this somewhere.
MNS
Black Widow = White Widow
Medicine Man = White Rhino
Shark Shock = Great White Shark
All of these were bred by Shantibaba and he took the mothers with him when he left Greenhouse, so as to not confuse people he changed the names of his stock.

When they come available again I will get me some Medicine Man and Shark Shock, I have two fem Nirvana White Rhino beans now the I am going to pop after this grow.
It is noted that all these MNS seeds are regulars. They do not do a fem of these, so if you see someone offering these as fems they are not the real deal. I like reg seeds over fems as I believe the plants are stronger and more potent, IMHO, that the fems. Plus you can get some pollen for breeding.

Peace out,

GR
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Thanks for the info man...happy growing.
 
gr865

gr865

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I am going to post this here on the 400w Club forum and on a light forum. See what info I get back.

If you look at the print about a given breeders strain it will say, for example, Black Widow is 8 to 10 weeks harvest, "Indoors 10 weeks of flowering will be necessary to realize the immense resin production."

I have ask a few breeders/company's what light they used in the grows they report on. Two well know company's Greenhouse seeds for their White Rhino and Mr. Nice for their Black Widow both told me they grew under a 600W HPS for flower.

So now I ask all you long and short time 400W growers how do you see those flower lengths fitting your light. Again, lets look at the Black Widow, if they are saying that to get the best out of the plant it needs 10 weeks, that's with a 600W, any idea what the difference is time wise with the two lights.

Did that make sense?

GR
 
dluck

dluck

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gr865 said:
I am going to post this here on the 400w Club forum and on a light forum. See what info I get back.

If you look at the print about a given breeders strain it will say, for example, Black Widow is 8 to 10 weeks harvest, "Indoors 10 weeks of flowering will be necessary to realize the immense resin production."

I have ask a few breeders/company's what light they used in the grows they report on. Two well know company's Greenhouse seeds for their White Rhino and Mr. Nice for their Black Widow both told me they grew under a 600W HPS for flower.

So now I ask all you long and short time 400W growers how do you see those flower lengths fitting your light. Again, lets look at the Black Widow, if they are saying that to get the best out of the plant it needs 10 weeks, that's with a 600W, any idea what the difference is time wise with the two lights.

Did that make sense?

GR
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I was thinking about a 600 but am now I'm considering hanging two 400's in my tent
 
jondamon

jondamon

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gr865 said:
I am going to post this here on the 400w Club forum and on a light forum. See what info I get back.

If you look at the print about a given breeders strain it will say, for example, Black Widow is 8 to 10 weeks harvest, "Indoors 10 weeks of flowering will be necessary to realize the immense resin production."

I have ask a few breeders/company's what light they used in the grows they report on. Two well know company's Greenhouse seeds for their White Rhino and Mr. Nice for their Black Widow both told me they grew under a 600W HPS for flower.

So now I ask all you long and short time 400W growers how do you see those flower lengths fitting your light. Again, lets look at the Black Widow, if they are saying that to get the best out of the plant it needs 10 weeks, that's with a 600W, any idea what the difference is time wise with the two lights.

Did that make sense?

GR
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I see no difference in times to finish.

I've grown with a 600 and now a 400.

The biggest thing to ask breeders is does their flowering time include stretching period or not.

That 10 week flowering could be 12 including the stretch which can be up to 2 weeks for flowering to begin.

I find with 55 day flowering strains that they are complete in about 65 days of 12/12 from the moment my lighting is switched.



J
 
gr865

gr865

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jondamon said:
I see no difference in times to finish.

I've grown with a 600 and now a 400.

The biggest thing to ask breeders is does their flowering time include stretching period or not.

That 10 week flowering could be 12 including the stretch which can be up to 2 weeks for flowering to begin.

I find with 55 day flowering strains that they are complete in about 65 days of 12/12 from the moment my lighting is switched.



J
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J,
I have ask that question before, I ask Nirvana and they said from switch.
I usually go by the looks of the plants, but last grow that C3 looked so ready but I know now I could have gone an extra week or so.

GR
 
jondamon

jondamon

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Another thing to consider is that breeders often quote fastest finishing phenotypes found within the strain and also earliest possible harvest times.

Another thing besides light used is environmental variables.

These too can impact upon flowering response/times.

4 seeds, 1 strain can often grow 4 different plants which mature at different rates and give different types of flavours and effects etc.




J
 
gr865

gr865

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jondamon said:
Another thing to consider is that breeders often quote fastest finishing phenotypes found within the strain and also earliest possible harvest times.

Another thing besides light used is environmental variables.

These too can impact upon flowering response/times.

4 seeds, 1 strain can often grow 4 different plants which mature at different rates and give different types of flavours and effects etc.




J
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So, basically they just throw all the beans and a big pot and stir, then grab 10 and say this GR8Kush and another 10 and say this is cowshit haze, LOL
Yep, environmental conditions do play a very large part. But my question about the light was singling out just that one variable.
 
jondamon

jondamon

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gr865 said:
So, basically they just throw all the beans and a big pot and stir, then grab 10 and say this GR8Kush and another 10 and say this is cowshit haze, LOL
Yep, environmental conditions do play a very large part. But my question about the light was singling out just that one variable.
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To nail down your question about lighting.

I've run the same clones under a 600 and then later from the same mother under a 400.

No difference in flowering time.


And no they don't throw all the seeds into a pot and pick ten and say what they are.

My response was that unless a strain has been back crossed many times to get it perfectly stable you can still get phenotype variations from the lineage of the parent plants.


J
 
gr865

gr865

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jondamon said:
And no they don't throw all the seeds into a pot and pick ten and say what they are.

My response was that unless a strain has been back crossed many times to get it perfectly stable you can still get phenotype variations from the lineage of the parent plants.


J
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Was my attempt at a joke, LOL
 
jondamon

jondamon

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Here's a pic of mine currently.

Popped my beans under my 400 MH.

2x critical+ Left side
2x sour blueberry right side.


J
 

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