Can anyone tell me the sex of these? Let's see how good you are

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Cookiezealous

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I’m gonna throw in another question on here since it seems like we have people that play around with pollen.
is this weird for an F1?
Usually get pretty similar children, shape, size, etc. a lot of the differences I see in the F ones are the terpines and everything to do with the flower not with the size of the plant.
I believe if your F1’s are all over the place that the parents weren’t stable
I could be wrong
this is
Exotic genetics smack down
Crossed to Sunken treasure seeds high Mac F2
I’ve crossed the sunken treasure to other things before and everything came out pretty 50-50 but this smack down was a weird one
All 10 seeds in the pack came out terrible except one
They all had mutations that were bizarre and stopped them from growing
Really weird
This was the only one out of the pack and it was a really nice plant so I’m assuming that
Exotic sent out a plant that maybe not be up to par
I could be wrong, I’m not very smart
Any input is always welcome
The second pic is one of the more minor mutations
They have these twisted leaves
They also always grow very much like cabbage
Short and stout with tons of foliage
with 3 dimensional leaves without any plant issues
The third photo shows that how they come out really thick and almost look like there’s some sort of problem, but it always grows out of it
Also has Really tight nodal spacing
 

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BigFloppyDonkeyDick

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Odd man out here. I can't tell from looking at them from so far away. I can usually tell what's up by week two or three after seedlings are done being seedlings. What I can say is, for future reference, ice them down if you're playing with reg seeds. I've got dozens of reg grows, if not hundreds and the one thing that I've really learned is that, if you keep them chilly while they're prepubescent, so to speak, most of them will be female. There are people that will argue that the stress of that will cause herms but counter is that they are not sexed until they reach that age, until then, they are just trying to stay alive and reproduction is not on the chart in the growth phase. Once you start seeing the signs that they are starting to sex, then it's time to get them to normal temps. I run my veg AO at 65-70 degrees on reg seeds and average 95% female and never any herms with a good genetic history. Just my 1.7 cents.
 
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rageous said:
Man I knew it was subcool. That was before I started growing. Just remember getting the five boxes of it and falling in love. Lol. There was an explosion of dope ass strains I don't see a lot of anymore. Everyone wants a fruity smell and or taste. Not always for me. These crosses we get might not ever come back and collecting data on it and or keeping it could be the next gem. Either way it's fun to think about
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Subcool was my dude. (If you know, you know.) Nugbuggets will always be remembered by me for being the most generous dude right here on RIU when I first started growing. He was always helpful to us noobs and didn't trash us because we messed something up in our grows. We have a lot of people like that on here which why, even though I've been through a number of screen names, I'm still here. It's awesome to see that he still loves on through his work. I have some beans he gave me that were a project of his and he'd gotten ripped and forgot to label them while he was getting them ready to store them. He was always the nicest guy to my wife and I and he won't be forgotten. RIP Nugbuckets
 
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rageous

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So results are in but before I do that here's some better pics of what I sent off. My phone is pretty bad so I apologize. I went ahead and got as close as I could. Some I took out some I crawled in to get better pics.
Rom I
Rom III
Rom III
CPR I
CPR II

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rageous said:
So results are in but before I do that here's some better pics of what I sent off. My phone is pretty bad so I apologize. I went ahead and got as close as I could. Some I took out some I crawled in to get better pics.
Rom I
Rom III
Rom III
CPR I
CPR II

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BigFloppyDonkeyDick said:
Odd man out here. I can't tell from looking at them from so far away. I can usually tell what's up by week two or three after seedlings are done being seedlings. What I can say is, for future reference, ice them down if you're playing with reg seeds. I've got dozens of reg grows, if not hundreds and the one thing that I've really learned is that, if you keep them chilly while they're prepubescent, so to speak, most of them will be female. There are people that will argue that the stress of that will cause herms but counter is that they are not sexed until they reach that age, until then, they are just trying to stay alive and reproduction is not on the chart in the growth phase. Once you start seeing the signs that they are starting to sex, then it's time to get them to normal temps. I run my veg AO at 65-70 degrees on reg seeds and average 95% female and never any herms with a good genetic history. Just my 1.7 cents.
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I keep the closet at 62-72 and that's just because LED runs kinda cool on here especially when it's 30 f outside and that's warm for almost Jan. Like way warm. In my area I expect us to be down to zero at least or lower with windchills. That was always a struggle with LED was keeping it as warm as it is in my house when the lights are off. My house is old. Air blows through here and there lol. Though I've never seen any correlation myself since I've only used photos once andthe other times was grown outdoors and must have got lucky. Thanks for your input bro. I'll look into that for the future as I only have photos in stock right now.
With 1/5 male in the closet the 1 bubba kush fem, and 2 unknown. 1 Romulan 1 CPR. I was hoping to get rid of 2 so I might just chop one of the 2 that are unknown and get them set to where they will stay. I have a trellis I was thinking o using. Never scrogged before as I used 5 gal dwc buckets and I often moved buckets for clean bucket and nutes every other week. Scrog never really worked for me. But I did tie them down to stakes I put onto lids. Just not the same. Any suggestions would be appreciated
Yeah some of subcool stuff back in the day was like the it stuff. I was getting their strains before I even grew. Just bought big bags of super dank and brought it back to the state I live in. Lol.
 
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rageous

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Cookiezealous said:
I’m gonna throw in another question on here since it seems like we have people that play around with pollen.
is this weird for an F1?
Usually get pretty similar children, shape, size, etc. a lot of the differences I see in the F ones are the terpines and everything to do with the flower not with the size of the plant.
I believe if your F1’s are all over the place that the parents weren’t stable
I could be wrong
this is
Exotic genetics smack down
Crossed to Sunken treasure seeds high Mac F2
I’ve crossed the sunken treasure to other things before and everything came out pretty 50-50 but this smack down was a weird one
All 10 seeds in the pack came out terrible except one
They all had mutations that were bizarre and stopped them from growing
Really weird
This was the only one out of the pack and it was a really nice plant so I’m assuming that
Exotic sent out a plant that maybe not be up to par
I could be wrong, I’m not very smart
Any input is always welcome
The second pic is one of the more minor mutations
They have these twisted leaves
They also always grow very much like cabbage
Short and stout with tons of foliage
with 3 dimensional leaves without any plant issues
The third photo shows that how they come out really thick and almost look like there’s some sort of problem, but it always grows out of it
Also has Really tight nodal spacing
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Man I have a few pictures of the these Bx1s and the leaves are super strange. One of them they came out skinny and oblong shaped along with size difference. I'm gonna dig and show ya because I was looking for a thread that addresses mutations? Maybe not the right word. I know nothing about this stuff but when I see a couple that aren't uniform in structure and shape I tend to notice.
 
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MissinThe90’sStrains

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Cookiezealous said:
I’m gonna throw in another question on here since it seems like we have people that play around with pollen.
is this weird for an F1?
Usually get pretty similar children, shape, size, etc. a lot of the differences I see in the F ones are the terpines and everything to do with the flower not with the size of the plant.
I believe if your F1’s are all over the place that the parents weren’t stable
I could be wrong
this is
Exotic genetics smack down
Crossed to Sunken treasure seeds high Mac F2
I’ve crossed the sunken treasure to other things before and everything came out pretty 50-50 but this smack down was a weird one
All 10 seeds in the pack came out terrible except one
They all had mutations that were bizarre and stopped them from growing
Really weird
This was the only one out of the pack and it was a really nice plant so I’m assuming that
Exotic sent out a plant that maybe not be up to par
I could be wrong, I’m not very smart
Any input is always welcome
The second pic is one of the more minor mutations
They have these twisted leaves
They also always grow very much like cabbage
Short and stout with tons of foliage
with 3 dimensional leaves without any plant issues
The third photo shows that how they come out really thick and almost look like there’s some sort of problem, but it always grows out of it
Also has Really tight nodal spacing
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I think there is a strong possibility that you’ve created something that’s just so inbred, that it’s showing all sorts of mutations. MAC has cookies in it, grease monkey has cookies in it, and you crossed it to another MAC - so even more cookies. Cookies is already inbred heavily from OG strains - many of which are theorized to be S1’s already.

F2’s already show more “weird stuff” because there is a higher likelihood of actually seeing the expression of recessive traits within the genome. Recessive traits need both recessive alleles to pair up, or they won’t be displayed. Depending on the pheno used, there could be some undesirable traits in there that weren’t being shown, but when paired up with another plant carrying many of those same recessive genes, some funky stuff started to pair up in the genes.

After a certain point in breeding a particular line, breeders generally do an “outcross” to introduce new genes into the syrain!to prevent things like inbreeding depression and mutations. Bottlenecking genes is typically a goal that breeders are trying to avoid, unless it’s an IBL line and they are carefully stabilizing a particular pheno.
 
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Cookiezealous

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MissinThe90’sStrains said:
I think there is a strong possibility that you’ve created something that’s just so inbred, that it’s showing all sorts of mutations. MAC has cookies in it, grease monkey has cookies in it, and you crossed it to another MAC - so even more cookies. Cookies is already inbred heavily from OG strains - many of which are theorized to be S1’s already.

F2’s already show more “weird stuff” because there is a higher likelihood of actually seeing the expression of recessive traits within the genome. Recessive traits need both recessive alleles to pair up, or they won’t be displayed. Depending on the pheno used, there could be some undesirable traits in there that weren’t being shown, but when paired up with another plant carrying many of those same recessive genes, some funky stuff started to pair up in the genes.

After a certain point in breeding a particular line, breeders generally do an “outcross” to introduce new genes into the syrain!to prevent things like inbreeding depression and mutations. Bottlenecking genes is typically a goal that breeders are trying to avoid, unless it’s an IBL line and they are carefully stabilizing a particular pheno.
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one hundred percent agree with you
For sure with the smack down
1 out of 10 seeds grew past a very young seedling
It was pretty good but everyone of them was bizarre
I don’t really like cookies
I usually work on things without any cookies in the history whatsoever
But
you Also can’t get away from it now
 
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Farmer's Hat

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Cookiezealous said:
one hundred percent agree with you
For sure with the smack down
1 out of 10 seeds grew past a very young seedling
It was pretty good but everyone of them was bizarre
I don’t really like cookies
I usually work on things without any cookies in the history whatsoever
But
you Also can’t get away from it now
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Get some landrace strains from Ace or TLT. That would be the best way to start working a heavily inbred cookie strain. Or get some old school genetics from classically established seedbanks.

Also, the pics you posted kind of look like N toxicity. Im not sure if the strange leaf texture you are noticing is actually a mutation.
 
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