Lets see how many fed led arrests happen after this....?

GregS

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These are half measures. Laws that prohibit cannabis are still on the books and it is still a schedule one substance. Another administration, together with other legislative changes in funding, can turn things right back around. Until prohibition statutes are repealed these moves are no more than temporary lip service. We still have a long way to go, but we're getting there.
 
Skylor

Skylor

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The problem I have with the money going to schools is not everybody has children or their children are no longer school age. Help paying off the national debt would benefit all of us
 
CashCrops

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Skylor said:
The problem I have with the money going to schools is not everybody has children or their children are no longer school age. Help paying off the national debt would benefit all of us
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I work a for school district, the problem I have with schools getting any money is the pattern of spending I have seen and the crooked backdoor dealings that go on. There's little to no accountability when it comes to spending. All drug forfeited money should go to getting people out of prison for low level marijuana charges. Maybe a non-profit lawyer fund. Civil forfeiture is unconstitutional anyway. We allowed it because of lying politicians (left or right) leaning.
 
cephalopod

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http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2015/01/medical_marijuana_grower_finds.html

GRAND RAPIDS, MI – A man charged in a marijuana grow operation hoped to have charges dismissed based on a new law preventing federal funds being used to go after legitimate medical-marijuana growers in states where it is legal.

He failed.

Meanwhile, the leader of the alleged group, Betty Jenkins, who police say had grow operations at homes on Forest Hill Avenue SE, Alden Nash Road in Lowell Township, Belding and two four-unit apartments in Gaines Township, is on trial in U.S. District Court in Kalamazoo.

Adam Rumpf disputed allegations he failed to comply with the state’s medical marijuana law. He said that a federal spending bill signed by President Barack Obama last month “blocks the Department of Justice from prosecuting medical marijuana patients that abide by state laws, now making this an illegal prosecution.”

Acting as his own attorney, he filed a brief saying he sought legal advice that “left the defendant to believe, that a prosecution in this (manner) is unlawful under the Constitution of The United States. The defendant further points to the fact that even the President of the United States of America has said the people, such as the defendant, will be left alone by the government so long as they reside in a state that allows this behavior.”

Rumpf did not get far.

He eventually pleaded guilty to maintaining a drug-involved premises, a potential 20-year offense.

“Nothing in this legislation has in any way undermined the prosecution of the defendant in this case,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Mark Courtade said.

Related: Medical marijuana advocates say lawmakers provide protection against federal prosecution

Related: Doctor certified patients for medical marijuana use without evaluations, records show

Betty JenkinsKent County Sheriff's Department
“The prosecution of Adam Rumpf is not an attempt by the Department of Justice to prevent the State of Michigan from implementing its own law. The government has not sought declaratory or injunctive relief nor does this prosecution stand in the way of Michigan vigorously enforcing its law. Moreover … (medical marijuana law) offers no defense to this federal prosecution even if defendant had been found in full compliance with the state law, which he was not.”

U.S. District Judge Paul Maloney said the spending bill governs funding for the Department of Justice but has no effect on federal drug laws or the court’s jurisdiction over such prosecutions.

“Thus, the spending bill does not (make) this now an illegal prosecution' as defendant asserts, nor does it make compliance or noncompliance with the (medical marijuana law) relevant to this prosecution.”

Marijuana advocates hailed the medical-marijuana provision in the spending bill as a “historic” measure.

"This is truly a long-fought victory for medical marijuana patients who have lived in fear of being caught in the crossfire of conflicting state and federal laws for nearly two decades," Steph Sherer, executive director of Americans for Safe Access said earlier.

In a plea agreement, Rumpf admitted he used a vacant apartment on Gaines Street to grow marijuana. He said that Jenkins and Phillip Joseph Walsh, who is also on trial in Kalamazoo, paid to install equipment, maintain the manufacturing operation and sell any harvested marijuana. He agreed that 132 plants and 3.5 pounds of processed marijuana were found.

Among the witnesses who have testified for the prosecution during the first two days of trial is Dr. Gregory Kudanek, who certified patients for use of medical marijuana despite not meeting all of them. He pleaded guilty to manufacturing fewer than 50 marijuana plants and forfeited property near Slayton Lake in Belding.

John Agar covers crime for MLive/Grand Rapids Press E-mail John Agar:[email protected] and follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/ReporterJAgar
 
panhead

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My god i sit here & read all this bullshit spewed forth from our governments ass & want to puke , its all a bunch of smoke being blown up asses .

Look at alcohol .

Look at opiates .

Look at tobacco .

Look at gambling .

All massive revenue for government , if anybody thinks full blown legal mj is gonna end up a good thing for growers they are dead wrong , history proves my point .

The ONLY thing thats held up legal weed is government agreeing on how THEY will control , tax & distribute , let it become legal & big business will take 100% control & feed more tax dollars than ever into raiding home growers .

Using every other legal vice as an example how can any grower really think its going to work out in the average joe's favor .
 
cephalopod

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" The ONLY thing thats held up legal weed is government agreeing on how THEY will control , tax & distribute"

panhead said:
My god i sit here & read all this bullshit spewed forth from our governments ass & want to puke , its all a bunch of smoke being blown up asses .

Look at alcohol .

Look at opiates .

Look at tobacco .

Look at gambling .

All massive revenue for government , if anybody thinks full blown legal mj is gonna end up a good thing for growers they are dead wrong , history proves my point .

The ONLY thing thats held up legal weed is government agreeing on how THEY will control , tax & distribute , let it become legal & big business will take 100% control & feed more tax dollars than ever into raiding home growers .

Using every other legal vice as an example how can any grower really think its going to work out in the average joe's favor .
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Skylor

Skylor

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I think weed is illegal cause the government makes more $ by keeping it illegal.

If weed was opening sold and common to use as alcohol is, sales of both booze and tobacco would go down, maybe way down/, that would offset any gain in taxers by selling weed legally.
 
Dr.Pecker

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Skylor said:
I think weed is illegal cause the government makes more $ by keeping it illegal.

If weed was opening sold and common to use as alcohol is, sales of both booze and tobacco would go down, maybe way down/, that would offset any gain in taxers by selling weed legally.
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I think its illegal because I can make my own medicine without big pharma. I can make my own fuel without big oil. And I can make my own paper without cutting down trees(which is my biggest concern).
 
CashCrops

CashCrops

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panhead said:
My god i sit here & read all this bullshit spewed forth from our governments ass & want to puke , its all a bunch of smoke being blown up asses .

Look at alcohol .

Look at opiates .

Look at tobacco .

Look at gambling .

All massive revenue for government , if anybody thinks full blown legal mj is gonna end up a good thing for growers they are dead wrong , history proves my point .

The ONLY thing thats held up legal weed is government agreeing on how THEY will control , tax & distribute , let it become legal & big business will take 100% control & feed more tax dollars than ever into raiding home growers .

Using every other legal vice as an example how can any grower really think its going to work out in the average joe's favor .
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You and I are the revenue, keep the power and keep the people in order. Only real change would come from a complete wipe out of the current system and a reset to a free people in charge of their own self.
 
panhead

panhead

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Skylor said:
I think weed is illegal cause the government makes more $ by keeping it illegal.

If weed was opening sold and common to use as alcohol is, sales of both booze and tobacco would go down, maybe way down/, that would offset any gain in taxers by selling weed legally.
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While i agree with the 1st part of your post where you said "The government makes more $ keeping it illegal " i dont agree with the 2nd point you brought up about alcohol & ciggs , those are 2 entirely different addictions as well as different effects on the body , people who smoke " NEED " nicotine like heroin users need heroin , also people who like to drink allready have a ready supply of Mj a phone call away unless they live on Mars , 99% of long term smokers dont even need legal pot & in most cases its a novelty .

Durring the 2 years i owned & operated a co-op in Michigan i only met a dozen or so true med patients with no idea how to score a sack o bud on the street & were forced to buy from me .

The government is allready growing mj & so is big business & they are getting better at it by the day , the big problem is neither has been able to figure out exact THC & Cannaboid content of each harvest or strain , just like alcohol , ciggs & prescription drugs the gov requires users know exact amounts of active ingredients .

Fully legal government taxed weed is on its way of that im sure , look at the baby shampoo company Johnson & Johnson & how they have become the worlds largest grower/supplier of raw opium , this is whats gonna happen with weed .

Unfortunately pot is gonna end up like tobacco where its washed of all active ingredients , ground to a pulp then have exact amounts of Thc & cannaboid extract added to each pre rolled joint , the shit wont even resemble the weed we have now a will most likely be sold on the multi level like alcohol , beer as the weakest & cheapest that will be the floor sweepings at the pot factory , wine & weak liquors will be equated with shit brick weed , top flight bud will be like hard liquor & the most expensive .

This isnt gonna end up how many think where its a free for all & were all running around with killer legal joints that cost $1 each , its gonna be expensive as hell & shit product .
 
Dr.Pecker

Dr.Pecker

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Dr.Pecker said:
I think its illegal because I can make my own medicine without big pharma. I can make my own fuel without big oil. And I can make my own paper without cutting down trees(which is my biggest concern).
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http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/11/01/the-worlds-most-eco-friendly-car-its-made-entirely-from-hemp/ http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/02/25/henry-ford-hemp-plastic-car-stronger/ http://www.collective-evolution.com/2012/12/05/how-hemp-became-illegal-the-marijuana-link/
 
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Skylor

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Except is easier to grow good weed vs making good booze in the bathtub. Maybe not great weed but weed that is still good enough to use. Good tobacco is harder to grow then OK weed. Best tobacco is grown in Cuba, maybe the best weed is grown in Jamaica ?

I don't see weed becoming like Tobacco, its users care more about what they are smoking. I don't even smoke joints very often cause who wants to smoke paper, not me. I rather do bong hits, lol

I can't predict whats going to happen, if I was told 10 years ago that MM would be legal in Michigan and 4 states will have legal pot for all adults, I would had said no freaken way. So I'm not making any guesses but I hope U aren't right or I be growing my own bid
 
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