bongrippinbob
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Smoking While Preggers
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15? where do you come up with 15? 15 is waaay too young to be smoking pot.
Stoney McFried
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It all goes back to this notion that many Americans have that moms should be symbols of purity and goodness.Nobody wants to think of their mom having a party!Especially with sacred unborn children in her!Hell, it used to be shameful for a pregnant woman to appear in public at all, because people would have to be reminded of how she got that way.Well guess what folks.Your mom got on her hands and knees while your dad hammered her from behind just like every other woman....or in some other position as well.Just because a person is smoking pot, does not mean they're trying to party,nor are they going to mainline heroine! There has been no proof of any harm to the fetus!The placenta acts as a barrier against MOST substances!Except for many prescribed by your doctor.Everything in a woman's body is under her jurisdiction! Just because someone gets pregnant, doesn't mean she still doesnt need medication!And that's what pot is. A sacred,natural, wonderful medication that helps SO many people. Just because your doctor, who is more than likely being paid by these drug companies, does not endorse it, doesn't mean it's not the right choice!We have filled our bodies with so many synthetic substances...when nature provides it all, if we only look with open eyes and minds.
Seamaiden
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DUDE! Don't tell me that!
Stoney McFried
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It's unpleasant to think of...I know.
and just when i had finally erased that day back when i was 5 and i awoke late one night ............
skunkdog
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my mum smoked weed with me and my sister, and i think we are fine??
also sister smoked with her boy and so far he is fine too!!!
but if i was u i would only smoke the likes of bush weed, and stay away from hard out skunk and cat piss hydro,smoke bush weed or organic's only!!!!
also sister smoked with her boy and so far he is fine too!!!
but if i was u i would only smoke the likes of bush weed, and stay away from hard out skunk and cat piss hydro,smoke bush weed or organic's only!!!!
Stoney McFried
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You know, I'm like the only kid who never caught her parents doing it.I thought for a long time that they were so happy after they had me, they just quit!(I'm the baby.)
and just when i had finally erased that day back when i was 5 and i awoke late one night ............
Florida Girl
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Well... I guess if people won't look objectively at a study of actual brain slices of fetus' exposed to mj in utero vs. ones not exposed. A study done collaboratively by more then just one group of medical professionals.... from more then one Country... showing CLEAR proof of the differences in brain development between fetus' exposed to mj and ones not. Then you are right... there is no proof... because they refuse to see it.This is a personal choice of the pregnant woman. No one will win this argument because there just is no actual proof it is harmful. That's all I have to say on this matter.
The Pharmacogenomics Journal - Discrete opioid gene expression impairment in the human fetal brain associated with maternal marijuana use
I do find it interesting that those same people will look at an article titled ganga babies, discussing in very vague details with no hard clinical data, and consider it proof positive that mj is GOOD for the fetus.
Furthermore... I think it's interesting that those of us who are PRO MJ (for adult use) are being labeled here as "closed minded... setbacks to the mj movement" simply because we are willing to acknowledge that there very well may be negative effects on developing fetus'.
I would also like it noted that I never once in this thread agreed with any poster suggesting a baby be taken away because of the mother's choice to use mj. I agree it is a personal choice for the mother and I feel very deeply for any woman who had had a difficult pregnancy (believe me... I know). It is just my opinion that it is a decision not to be taken lightly and certainly should not be looked at as simply as "I know it's good for my baby because I just know".
I don't understand the unwillingness to accept that there very well may be a negative impact on the development of the fetus if care is not taken with usage. The notion that "it's simply good for my baby" promotes irresponsible usage. Don't we have a responsibility as supporters of mj use to acknowledge the potential dangers to a fetus? I don't know how much mj the women in the study I listed consumed.... I can only guess it was a hell of a lot more then the women here who report using it during their pregnancies.
All things considered.... I'd say no use is best during pregnancy.... but if one has no other choice to help them be well while pregnant.... they should at least consider the dosage and not use articles like "ganga babies" as proof positive that one should smoke out in massive doses because it's "good" for the fetus.
Knowledge is power.... if we are not open to even CONSIDERING the impact to the fetus then we are not open minded at all.
15? where do you come up with 15? 15 is waaay too young to be smoking pot.
Right you are.... clearly the only kids that should be consuming mj are the ones not yet out of the womb.
Sunnysideup
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Florida Girl- I agree with you.
I also think that your a mom.
Mothers by instinct protect their children at all cost. They also will sacrifice everything for their children. I think that what you are stressing is a mothers instinct...to protect. It is admirable.
I also think that your a mom.
Mothers by instinct protect their children at all cost. They also will sacrifice everything for their children. I think that what you are stressing is a mothers instinct...to protect. It is admirable.
misshestermoffitt
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Honey, I puked during labor. But that's another story entirely!
By the way, my oldest son, now 22, was at school during the quake. As ever, he totally dug the ride. My youngest, now 19, is still asleep.
While each have their own issues, as I've said before, those are likely far more related to our family's genetics than anything else, especially the Tourette's (my son is a participant in a City of Hope genetics study due to our family history).
I puked until my daughter was 4 hours old. I was beginning to think it just wasn't going to stop, no herb in the damn hospital (although back then you could smoke cigarettes in the hospital still).
I'm curious, do you get morning sickness from birth control pills? I got dog sick when they put me back on them and would puke every morning from them. I don't need them anymore, but I'm just curious. My daughter also gets a little morning sickness from her pills sometimes, usually that first one of the month. She's scared that if she ever does decide to have kids that she's going to be sick as hell the whole time.
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misshestermoffitt
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Don't smoke it, but soak it in VODKA and drink it? You didn't really just suggest that did you?
Also if you can't eat something because of vomiting, it stands to reason that you can't drink something either.
GarryFroker
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Our doctor told my wife, "Remember the old saying, 'You are eating for two? Its not true.'" He told her to eat right, don't drink alcohol, don't do drugs or smoke. We get the advice from our doctors to eat right but we don't. And an Epi does not even enter the blood stream, the baby is not affected.
I still don't understand the attitude that Americans are the only people who eat bad food. Like they don't have that shit in Europe?
misshestermoffitt
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External Fetal Monitor is placed to monitor baby’s condition.
- If mother develops a fever: Baby’s heart rate may become rapid. Baby may develop a fever (30% chance with epidurals)
- If the mother is given pitocin: contractions can get too long and too strong, reducing baby’s heart rate.
- If mom’s b.p. drops: decreased fetal heart rate and decreased oxygen supply.
- Mild to severe fetal distress in 10-15% of babies after epidural. Generally these changes don’t affect the baby’s health at birth (as measured by APGAR scores), but signs of fetal distress can lead to c-section…
In a review of 15 available studies, 12 suggested a significant association between epidural and c-section. Risk of c-section generally found to be 2-3 times more likely with epidural.
Medications cross the placenta and may have subtle side effects on the baby, including more difficulty in self-soothing, subtle changes in reflexes.
Decrease in maternal oxytocin during labor may interfere with oxytocin release after birth. Bonding and milk letdown reflexes may be decreased.
Some uncontrolled studies have been done, which aren’t conclusive due to lack of controls, but interesting nonetheless: unmedicated mothers reported that their babies were more sociable, more rewarding, and easier to care for. Unmedicated moms were more responsive to their babies’ cries. Women who had epidurals smiled less at their infants.
Epidural Anesthesia
You got it , and epi doesn't affect the baby at all.
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GarryFroker
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Its minimal. I read the report. Also next time don't pick and choose your data post the WHOLE THING!!! I notice you didn't cut and paste the advantages of an EPI.External Fetal Monitor is placed to monitor babys condition.
- If mother develops a fever: Babys heart rate may become rapid. Baby may develop a fever (30% chance with epidurals)
- If the mother is given pitocin: contractions can get too long and too strong, reducing babys heart rate.
- If moms b.p. drops: decreased fetal heart rate and decreased oxygen supply.
Increased Risk of Cesarean
- Mild to severe fetal distress in 10-15% of babies after epidural. Generally these changes dont affect the babys health at birth (as measured by APGAR scores), but signs of fetal distress can lead to c-section
In a review of 15 available studies, 12 suggested a significant association between epidural and c-section. Risk of c-section generally found to be 2-3 times more likely with epidural.
Medications cross the placenta and may have subtle side effects on the baby, including more difficulty in self-soothing, subtle changes in reflexes.
Decrease in maternal oxytocin during labor may interfere with oxytocin release after birth. Bonding and milk letdown reflexes may be decreased.
Some uncontrolled studies have been done, which arent conclusive due to lack of controls, but interesting nonetheless: unmedicated mothers reported that their babies were more sociable, more rewarding, and easier to care for. Unmedicated moms were more responsive to their babies cries. Women who had epidurals smiled less at their infants.
Epidural Anesthesia
You got it , and epi doesn't affect the baby at all.
Look this isn't some Yahoo political group, spare me the little games with the cut and paste.
misshestermoffitt
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What are the advantages of it? The mother doesn't feel any pain. She can't suck it up for a couple of hours for the baby's benefit?
YOU were the one that said an EPI does NOT affect the baby. I was just showing that yes it does.
BTW the most important bonding between mother and child happens in the first 48 hours after birth. If EPI mom isn't bonding with or even smiling at her baby, that is something that will affect the child FOREVER.
YOU were the one that said an EPI does NOT affect the baby. I was just showing that yes it does.
BTW the most important bonding between mother and child happens in the first 48 hours after birth. If EPI mom isn't bonding with or even smiling at her baby, that is something that will affect the child FOREVER.
Seamaiden
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No! That's one of the things that's really weird, I also lose a good bit of weight when I'm on the pill.
Florida, I'm curious, how much of the article you posted did you read? Did you read any of the other article cited? Are you dismissing Dreher's study out of hand, or have you simply been unable to find anything else on it? I have been unable to find the actual study.
I really don't think that the debate is that it's good for a fetus so much as how harmful it is, or is not. Not one of the articles or studies published states with any emphasis anything other than that its effect is "poorly understood", and those that are making stronger statements are using animal comparisons and, and this is key, are using purified and highly potent cannabinoids and/or resins. Granted, I have not read all of them, but I can read very quickly and this is what I'm consistently finding.
Can you address the idea that not only are studies that may show inaccuracies or even outright misstatements about the deleterious effects might be squelched?
I hate to say this but it's clear to me that you did not read the article fdd posted, or you would know that no one is advocating smoking an infant out. Yet, you've insisted on using the imagery of someone blowing smoke forcefully into an infant's face. You don't think you're gonna be met with a little resistance, especially from mothers such as myself when you start using those types of inflammatory comments?
(sigh) I guess I'm just a really horrible, horrible mother who doesn't know a thing about bearing, raising, or protecting her own children (or even the children of others, eh?) since I smoked some while I was pregnant with my second child.
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