The differences between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party

[Padawanbater2]

I'm glad my exposure to lefties isn't only through here. I would think they base their entire platform on a popularity contest. These are the most poll opinion driven peeps i've seen.

I bet I can find a poll that will agree with me about polls, therefore I am right.

Way to mischaracterize the application of a poll

You take polls into consideration just as much as anyone whether you admit it or not

 

[ginwilly]

Way to mischaracterize the application of a poll

You take polls into consideration just as much as anyone whether you admit it or not

Sure, I'll look and see what the opinion of others is on important issues, but I won't let it make my opinion or use it as proof that my opinion is correct.

In other words, opinion polls are just that, opinion polls. That's the only weight they are given.

My opinion that Obama is not a great president is shared by more than think he is. I will not use this and say "see? told ya".

 

[Harrekin]

Here is the only poll that matters.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[1]

Surely this could be tweaked slightly to refer specifically to the individual, thus removing "corporate personhood"?

I'm hardly a lefty, everyone here knows that, but I also don't agree with corporations being able to influence elections.

Even in the most "lassaiz faire" market system in the world today (Hong Kong) there are regulations to protect the citizens from corporate abuse.

 

[desert dude]

Surely this could be tweaked slightly to refer specifically to the individual, thus removing "corporate personhood"?

I'm hardly a lefty, everyone here knows that, but I also don't agree with corporations being able to influence elections.

Even in the most "lassaiz faire" market system in the world today (Hong Kong) there are regulations to protect the citizens from corporate abuse.

The tweaking you suggest could be done in a legal, constitutional manner, by amendment. I highly doubt that will happen. A constitutional convention has only happened once in the US, in 1787.

My sense of all the whining is that our progressive friends want all the money that influences elections to come from the left, i.e. unions. CU merely allows any group, (unions, corporations, groups of stoners) to pool their money and spend it as they see fit.

Another observation from me: You will often see the term "buy the election" as if it is a foregone conclusion that the side that spends most on advertising wins. Spending does not necessarily garantee a win.

For example, a huge money advantage did not work very well for Eric Cantor in his reelection attempt in Virginia. His campaign spent 100 times more than his unknown opponent and he lost. Poor Eric had to take a $3M/year gig on wall street as a consolation prize; the poor guy is even more impoverished than the Clintons. Those poor, impoverished politicians!

 

[Harrekin]

The tweaking you suggest could be done in a legal, constitutional manner, by amendment. I highly doubt that will happen. A constitutional convention has only happened once in the US, in 1787.

My sense of all the whining is that our progressive friends want all the money that influences elections to come from the left, i.e. unions. CU merely allows any group, (unions, corporations, groups of stoners) to pool their money and spend it as they see fit.

Another observation from me: You will often see the term "buy the election" as if it is a foregone conclusion that the side that spends most on advertising wins. Spending does not necessarily garantee a win.

For example, a huge money advantage did not work very well for Eric Cantor in his reelection attempt in Virginia. His campaign spent 100 times more than his unknown opponent and he lost. Poor Eric had to take a $3M/year gig on wall street as a consolation prize; the poor guy is even more impoverished than the Clintons. Those poor, impoverished politicians!

When I personally say buy an election I mean the process of a corporate entity being both candidates biggest donors ie. "donation hedging"

 

[desert dude]

When I personally say buy an election I mean the process of a corporate entity being both candidates biggest donors ie. "donation hedging"

They all do that. That's why I won't vote for Democrats or Republicans; there is little difference between them.

That is why I vote Libertarian, even though I don't consider myself a pure libertarian, their stated philosophy comes closest to my own. I am socially liberal, and fiscally conservative.

 

[Harrekin]

They all do that. That's why I won't vote for Democrats or Republicans; there is little difference between them.

That is why I vote Libertarian, even though I don't consider myself a pure libertarian, their stated philosophy comes closest to my own. I am socially liberal, and fiscally conservative.

Dude, saying "libertarian" makes people think you're kooky like Ron Paul.

In reality you're a centrist with a strong bias towards individual freedoms.

 

[desert dude]

Dude, saying "libertarian" makes people think you're kooky like Ron Paul.

In reality you're a centrist with a strong bias towards individual freedoms.

Anybody with a strong bias toward individual freedom is considered kooky. RP had some kooky ideas, just as everybody does, but on balance I am willing to accept that package.

 

[Harrekin]

Anybody with a strong bias toward individual freedom is considered kooky. RP had some kooky ideas, just as everybody does, but on balance I am willing to accept that package.

Nah fuck that, he's too "Conservative Christian" for me.

If he updated his views from the 18th Century to now I'd support him again, it was the little slips during the primary debates last cycle scared me off.

 

[desert dude]

Nah fuck that, he's too "Conservative Christian" for me.

If he updated his views from the 18th Century to now I'd support him again, it was the little slips during the primary debates last cycle scared me off.

Yeah, I am not a bible thumper either. Was he better than RomObama though? I think he was.

 

[Harrekin]

Yeah, I am not a bible thumper either. Was he better than RomObama though? I think he was.

Gary Johnson was a better option, shame he only got like 1.2% of the vote.

 

[ttystikk]

The single, admirable thing about America is our constitutional republic. Every other admirable thing about the USA is a consequence of that. Undo/violate the constitution and we become just another failed state.

There are powerful forces at work trying to subvert our constitution. They are quite up front about their utter disdain for individual freedoms.

We may differ on many things, but here we are in complete agreement.

So now what? I don't have money and my vote has been subverted/rendered useless as a tool to demand useful change. The corrupt and the oligarchs are running the show here as surely as Moscow. They aren't even shy anymore...

 

[Harrekin]

We may differ on many things, but here we are in complete agreement.

So now what? I don't have money and my vote has been subverted/rendered useless as a tool to demand useful change. The corrupt and the oligarchs are running the show here as surely as Moscow. They aren't even shy anymore...

So learn something and make some mon-honeys.

If you can't beat the system, rape it wildly (as it surely would you) until it gives you the desired result.

 

[UncleBuck]

Not all lefties are like those here. The normal ones leave though when every conversation from their side dissolves into RACIST!! I would hate to be associated with our little group of commies here too.

just because you got caught stating that blacks are less intelligent does not mean we are commies, it means you are racist.

 

[UncleBuck]

The single, admirable thing about America is our constitutional republic. Every other admirable thing about the USA is a consequence of that. Undo/violate the constitution and we become just another failed state.

There are powerful forces at work trying to subvert our constitution. They are quite up front about their utter disdain for individual freedoms.

Yeah, some people think we should undo civil rights and get rid of equal protection under the law.

These racist spammers are not powerful forces though, just fringe losers. And they know it.

 

[Harrekin]

just because you got caught stating that blacks are less intelligent does not mean we are commies, it means you are racist.

I've had you on ignore for like a month and you're still just saying "racist" at every opportunity?

Weak dude, weak...

 

[UncleBuck]

It is a Democratic stronghold. Home to the One.

Can just feel the racist hatred in that post of yours.

 

[UncleBuck]

I've had you on ignore for like a month and you're still just saying "racist" at every opportunity?

Weak dude, weak...

So long as you losers just keep spamming your racism, I'll be here to call you out on it.

Do you always cry this hard for your fellow racists?

 

[Harrekin]

So long as you losers just keep spamming your racism, I'll be here to call you out on it.

Do you always cry this hard for your fellow racists?

Do you just have the word racist ready on Ctrl-V at all times?

 

[UncleBuck]

You mean to tell me that Obama never noticed it said he was from Kenya until AFTER he was elected?
How long do you normally let people lie about you to the general public?

How many racist birther spammers do we have on here?