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amgprb

amgprb

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An intelectual discussion mixing science and religion spanning the course of 4 or 5 pages WITHOUT any name calling, anyone disrespecting each other, argueing, derogative comments or trolling filled with a fairly intelligent debate happening on RIU???!!!!

The power of the lord is AMAZING! ;)
 
TonightYou

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No, while it may sound counter intuitive, scientific theory is the highest order over fact or law (scientific that is)

"Laws differ from scientific theories in that they do not posit a mechanism or explanation of phenomena: they are merely distillations of the results of repeated observation. As such, a law is limited in applicability to circumstances resembling those already observed, and may be found false when extrapolated"

Amos Otis said:
Quit dancing, TY. Either you know the magic formula of molecules and gasses, or you don't. It appears that you don't - but you have 'faith' that one day science will figure out the rest. :eyesmoke:
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In fact many people do. It's X Positrons with Y neutrons and Z electrons for most forms of matter. You could educate yourself instead of getting defensive.
 
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Amos Otis

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stOwandgrow said:
That's very apparent, but thank you for your honesty.
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:clap: You know, being a role model - even in comic presentation - is a responsibility I embrace. And I dig those that are quick studies. Now.....per this 'science': theory? fact?

Let's see what a leading evolutionist, a Nobel Prize winner, and a Harvard man, in fact, had to say. How does the evolutionist explain the existence of that first one-celled animal from which all life forms supposedly evolved - known as 'spontaneous generation' - the generation of living from nonliving matter ? [ Louis Pasteur proved this 'theory' wrong in his test tube experiments in 1854, yet people - like this evolutionist, believe anyway.]

****"One has only to contemplate the magnitude of this task to concede that the spontaneous generation of a living organism is impossible. Yet here we are—as a result, I believe, of spontaneous generation." Scientific American, August 1954. - Dr. George Wald, Nobel Prize winner of Harvard University *****

That statement by Dr. Wald demonstrates a much greater faith than a religious creationist can muster. Notice that the great evolutionary scientist says it could not have happened. It was impossible. Yet he believes it did happen. What can we say to that kind of faith? :mrgreen:


ETA - the top portion of my post was cut off, but here it is:
[QUOTE="TonightYou, post: 11091224, member: 566880" You could educate yourself instead of getting defensive.[/QUOTE]

As a point of reference, there's nothing that can be said either about the topics or my povs that would make me defensive, TY. However, I did do a little bit of investigating. See below: ;)
 
ODanksta

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amgprb said:
An intelectual discussion mixing science and religion spanning the course of 4 or 5 pages WITHOUT any name calling, anyone disrespecting each other, argueing, derogative comments or trolling filled with a fairly intelligent debate happening on RIU???!!!!

The power of the lord is AMAZING! ;)
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Other then Lord Jesus has caused more death then it has good. Just saying
 
TonightYou

TonightYou

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Amos Otis said:
:clap: You know, being a role model - even in comic presentation - is a responsibility I embrace. And I dig those that are quick studies. Now.....per this 'science': theory? fact?

Let's see what a leading evolutionist, a Nobel Prize winner, and a Harvard man, in fact, had to say. How does the evolutionist explain the existence of that first one-celled animal from which all life forms supposedly evolved - known as 'spontaneous generation' - the generation of living from nonliving matter ? [ Louis Pasteur proved this 'theory' wrong in his test tube experiments in 1854, yet people - like this evolutionist, believe anyway.]

****"One has only to contemplate the magnitude of this task to concede that the spontaneous generation of a living organism is impossible. Yet here we are—as a result, I believe, of spontaneous generation." Scientific American, August 1954. - Dr. George Wald, Nobel Prize winner of Harvard University *****

That statement by Dr. Wald demonstrates a much greater faith than a religious creationist can muster. Notice that the great evolutionary scientist says it could not have happened. It was impossible. Yet he believes it did happen. What can we say to that kind of faith? :mrgreen:
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Need to work on who you are quoting as that was St0w not me...

And you are going to use quotes out of context as well? I don't believe that statement supports your philosophy of an ark and other nonsense.

If anyone could disprove evolution and replace it with a better theory, that person would win a Nobel prize and rewrite history. Which as a student of science, I'd be fine with. There is no room for emotional attachment of an idea in science. It either holds up to scrutiny or it doesn't. Evolution is one of the most studied, documented and cross fields of studies that holds up. There is not one iota of evidence that rejects evolution. We may not know everything about it, but that's why individuals spend their entire lifetimes adding to the institution of knowledge
 
Amos Otis

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TonightYou said:
Need to work on who you are quoting as that was St0w not me...
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Did you not see the ETA ? Calm down...slow down, TY - you've got all day for composed responses. :wink:

TonightYou said:
If anyone could disprove evolution and replace it with a better theory, that person would win a Nobel prize and rewrite history. Which as a student of science, I'd be fine with.
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Huh? I just posted a Nobel prize winner's quote...lol. - that creating life from lifeless matter is 'impossible'.
 
TonightYou

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Amos Otis said:
Did you not see the ETA ? Calm down...slow down, TY - you've got all day for composed responses. :wink:



Huh? I just posted a Nobel prize winner's quote...lol. - that creating life from lifeless matter is 'impossible'.
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Yes from 70 years ago, and I didn't realize one Nobel prize winner speaks for everyone in the scientific community. Particularly considering how much additional info has been added since then.
 
TonightYou

TonightYou

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Amos Otis said:
Did you not see the ETA ? Calm down...slow down, TY - you've got all day for composed responses. :wink:



Huh? I just posted a Nobel prize winner's quote...lol. - that creating life from lifeless matter is 'impossible'.
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I'm bored while at work. It's a slow day :)
 
TonightYou

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Amos Otis said:
Yeah.....it kind of sucks when people cherry pick examples and quotes to knowingly misrepresent the other's point of view, doesn't it?:eyesmoke:
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And your point is what exaxtly? Evolution isn't real? Isn't proven? Isn't a scientific theory?

Because you are wrong
 
TonightYou

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Shit, my grandfather is a deeply religious catholic and even he is amazed and in awe with science and believes in evolution. See science and religion can coexist for some... not I though.
 
Amos Otis

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TonightYou said:
And your point is what exaxtly? Evolution isn't real? Isn't proven? Isn't a scientific theory?

Because you are wrong
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Really? Didn't that Charles Darwin cat have something to do with evolution?

"There are two or three million species on earth. A sufficient field one might think for observation; but it must be said today that in spite of all the evidence of trained observers, not one change of the species to another is on record" - Charles Darwin (Life and Letters, vol. 3, p. 25). -
 
Amos Otis

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TonightYou said:
Shit, my grandfather is a deeply religious catholic and even he is amazed and in awe with science and believes in evolution. See science and religion can coexist for some... not I though.
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Deeply religious catholic?

I'd advise you to pray for the man....but you don't buy into that....lol.
 
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