Padawanbater2
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Someone who can't work to provide for themselves or their family, should you and I as a taxpayer provide for them?
Why/why not?
Why/why not?
Should we pay for the disabled?
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polo the don
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I'm a disabled combat vet and I get a check and I think I should.
Or are you talking about people who are born disabled or some sort of accident? If it was an on the job injury I think the employers insurance should pay, not we the people. Those that are citizens and born disabled I think we should take care of them. Those that became disabled by their own stupidity should take care of themselves.
insidagain
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I agree with you Polo. There's nothing that irritates me more than folks who park a fridge next to their lazy boy for 25 years watching tv. Then wonder why they can't walk and expect us to pay their way through. We have all seen this at walmart with them driving their way through the twinky section and 4 or 5 little jaba's with them.
Mindmelted
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Oh here we go with its the fat peoples fault.
I am a large boy and could work circles around most the skinny folk I worked with.I have a blood sugar level of a 85 and that's its average.
And my blood pressure runs at 117/70
Not bad for a fat person huh!let alone one that is almost 50.
Last time I was sick was chicken pox 3 years ago.And I paid that bill having no insurance.So I think we should pay military and people born disabled and ones disabled due to actions not their own.
I am a large boy and could work circles around most the skinny folk I worked with.I have a blood sugar level of a 85 and that's its average.
And my blood pressure runs at 117/70
Not bad for a fat person huh!let alone one that is almost 50.
Last time I was sick was chicken pox 3 years ago.And I paid that bill having no insurance.So I think we should pay military and people born disabled and ones disabled due to actions not their own.
Thecouchlock
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Yes we should foot the bill for them, any one of us could become disabled overnight. If we can spend a shit ton of money on weapons and hand them to some terrorists we can afford to pay for our disabled.
Harrekin
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I vote yes, if it's a genuine disability.
Why should soldiers be entitled to free care if everyone else isn't tho?
Do they not know war is dangerous when they're signing up (of their own free will)? Are they not paid for their labour?
Padawan, I'd recommend a fairly stringent list of disabilities, we had a problem here where the conditions were relaxed and it got to the stage some people are "disabled" yet able to function in life completely normally.
My big question tho, why not just nationalise healthcare and look after disabled people under that system?
Remember, our nationalised healthcare (with a private option) is 4x cheaper per capita to the taxpayer than the private US system.
Why should soldiers be entitled to free care if everyone else isn't tho?
Do they not know war is dangerous when they're signing up (of their own free will)? Are they not paid for their labour?
Padawan, I'd recommend a fairly stringent list of disabilities, we had a problem here where the conditions were relaxed and it got to the stage some people are "disabled" yet able to function in life completely normally.
My big question tho, why not just nationalise healthcare and look after disabled people under that system?
Remember, our nationalised healthcare (with a private option) is 4x cheaper per capita to the taxpayer than the private US system.
SnapsProvolone
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One might have a suddenly different view of things were they to become disabled through a stroke or illness.
People are people, we all deserve a life. I'm not religious but I can see that compassion is an important part of the human condition.
People are people, we all deserve a life. I'm not religious but I can see that compassion is an important part of the human condition.
desert dude
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To me, that is the crux of the problem. A whole lot of people would rather pick daisies and write poetry than earn a living.
Harrekin
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Overall tho, in my opinion at least, it is better to have a system with moochers that would correctly serve the people it's really designed to protect than denying help to the people that need it.
Constant searches for efficiency and active fraud prevention would be enough for me to sign off on it tho.
SnapsProvolone
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This thread seemed to be directed at the truly disabled. Those that abuse the system are criminals and should be dealt with accordingly.
SmokeyDan
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I voted yes. I don't think we do enough.
I know a guy who is in his early 50s and he used to be a plumber.
He was in a car accident, and he suffered back and head injuries.
His divorce prior to this, and the accident ended up nearly bankrupting him.
His disability check is $1200 a month. Who can live on that?
I know a guy who is in his early 50s and he used to be a plumber.
He was in a car accident, and he suffered back and head injuries.
His divorce prior to this, and the accident ended up nearly bankrupting him.
His disability check is $1200 a month. Who can live on that?
desert dude
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What you are saying, is: be reasonable. I agree with that.
The welfare system in the US has been perverted to create divisions for exploitation by politicians. I support welfare, for those that need it to weather bad luck.
The problem in the US, and probably in the EU, is that welfare has created a permanent underclass that has been crippled by the kindness of politicians who exploit them. The welfare system works to keep these people dependent; the more the merrier.
Cue the chants of "RACIST".
UncleBuck
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well, at least you recognize that your "liberal plantation" conspiracy theory is as racist as it gets.
desert dude
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Yes, massah.
Gee, who could have guessed?
loquacious
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I have never understood the hatred of welfare. Most people who use it need it and they are not exactly proud of using it. Yes, there are people who abuse the system but, to wipe out the system because of a few assholes is just flat out stupid. Most people who go on welfare are trying to get ahead in life. Problem is, once they get a job, they are penalized for that job and lose a percentage of welfare assistance and go right back to square one. The government does not want you to get ahead, they want you to barely make ends meet. It amazes me how people keep attacking other people instead of attacking the problem. Everyone realizes this is all made up right?! Inflation, taxes, prices, are all made up. The same basic ingredients to make a meal haven't really changed in a really long time yet, due to supply, demand, and greed, we now pay ridiculous amounts for those same things.
Harrekin
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That's a hugely oversimplified argument and one that is also ignorant of the facts.
There are mechanisms beyond greed that influence inflation, etc.
loquacious
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Actually, no there isn't and that's what makes all this so damn funny!
bellcore
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I agree the disabled need our support.
Someone is going to want to make sure they no not use drugs to receive benefits of any kind. I think they may have tried that in Florida and like less than 1% used/tested positive. Gov Walker...
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/scott-walker-wants-jobless-food-stamp-recipients-to-face-drug/article_d8f8fcb4-c6ec-5deb-af86-668209d69aff.html
Someone is going to want to make sure they no not use drugs to receive benefits of any kind. I think they may have tried that in Florida and like less than 1% used/tested positive. Gov Walker...
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/scott-walker-wants-jobless-food-stamp-recipients-to-face-drug/article_d8f8fcb4-c6ec-5deb-af86-668209d69aff.html