winner and still undefeated: increasing the minimum wage

Big Trees

Big Trees

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I don't understand where the logic of raising minimum wage would solve problems. If the wage is increased, the business isn't gonna adjust their budget(and suffer from a smaller profit margin) cause the law says so. They are gonna fire people and only keep a few(increasing the employee's responsibilities). I would prefer to be able to get a job for $7-$8 an hour instead of not be able to find any work at all. Its simple economics, the wage goes up the supply of workers goes up, but the demand for those workers goes down.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Big Trees said:
I don't understand where the logic of raising minimum wage would solve problems. If the wage is increased, the business isn't gonna adjust their budget(and suffer from a smaller profit margin) cause the law says so. They are gonna fire people and only keep a few(increasing the employee's responsibilities). I would prefer to be able to get a job for $7-$8 an hour instead of not be able to find any work at all. Its simple economics, the wage goes up the supply of workers goes up, but the demand for those workers goes down.
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you got any empirical evidence showing how raises to the minimum wage cause unemployment?
 
Big Trees

Big Trees

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As long as the increase isn't above equilibrium. It's gonna be a small change anyway because only about 5% of the job market is made up of minimum wage workers anyway. Only about 15% 16-24 year old hourly workers earn minimum wage today anyway. So I guess the impact won't be too bad in consideration. My bad
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Big Trees said:
As long as the increase isn't above equilibrium. It's gonna be a small change anyway because only about 5% of the job market is made up of minimum wage workers anyway. Only about 15% 16-24 year old hourly workers earn minimum wage today anyway. So I guess the impact won't be too bad in consideration. My bad
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lol.

in any case, i'd like to point out something in that link you posted.

a raise in the minimum wage drives up everyone else's wages too.

 
Big Trees

Big Trees

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I still think most 16 year olds need to make shit money to develop a work ethic(I sound like an old man now).
 
SmokeyDan

SmokeyDan

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spandy said:
If he was worth more, why didn't he get the job for 11 an hour?

If he had quit, would his boss called him back and offered 9.5 an hour, or hired someone else at 9 an hour instead?
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This I do not know.

One thing I eventually found out was that this company had a link into rehab programs and halfway houses. These people would get kicked out for losing a job which meant going back to jail.

They got contacted some business the next town over (our town) and had to hire non rehab people.

They were used to dealing with people too scared to rock the boat by asking for more.
 
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NoDrama

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"real Min wage" is just inflation adjusted min wage so that it shows a progressively lower and lower amount

The thing is, if Obama is so stinkiin great and so many people own stocks like buckaroo says, shouldn't that number be going up, after all we don;t have any inflation anyway. And considering the deficit has been slashed by record amounts, we should all be driving our Rolls Royce by now. Whats up with that Buck, how come none of that is actually true?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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NoDrama said:
"real Min wage" is just inflation adjusted min wage so that it shows a progressively lower and lower amount

The thing is, if Obama is so stinkiin great and so many people own stocks like buckaroo says, shouldn't that number be going up, after all we don;t have any inflation anyway. And considering the deficit has been slashed by record amounts, we should all be driving our Rolls Royce by now. Whats up with that Buck, how come none of that is actually true?
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why would deficit reduction pay you as much as your 401k? and why would your 401k benefit you until after you retire?
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Big Trees said:
I still think most 16 year olds need to make shit money to develop a work ethic(I sound like an old man now).
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That's a pretty shitty justification for low wages. Most people making minimum wage are not 16 year old kids, and earning lower wages don't teach people how to develop a work ethic. Furthermore, why would it be the governments responsibility to teach its citizens how to develop a work ethic?
 
SmokeyDan

SmokeyDan

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Padawanbater2 said:
That's a pretty shitty justification for low wages. Most people making minimum wage are not 16 year old kids, and earning lower wages don't teach people how to develop a work ethic. Furthermore, why would it be the governments responsibility to teach its citizens how to develop a work ethic?
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This is one of the few times that you have made any sense.

Although I'm sure our motives are different for why we feel that way, my reasons are pretty much summed up by your last sentence.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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SmokeyDan said:
my reasons are pretty much summed up by your last sentence.
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It seems contradictory to say conservatives are for limited government and then say it's the governments responsibility to teach citizens how to develop a work ethic. There are many inconsistencies in conservative ideology, birth control/abortions, religious freedom, sexual orientation, etc. When you platform on moral objections, and no such thing as objective morality exists, you're simply left with a failed policy based on subjective morality, and since you think your beliefs are divine, given to you by your god, everything else is automatically wrong and automatically justified.
 
SmokeyDan

SmokeyDan

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Padawanbater2 said:
It seems contradictory to say conservatives are for limited government and then say it's the governments responsibility to teach citizens how to develop a work ethic. There are many inconsistencies in conservative ideology, birth control/abortions, religious freedom, sexual orientation, etc. When you platform on moral objections, and no such thing as objective morality exists, you're simply left with a failed policy based on subjective morality, and since you think your beliefs are divine, given to you by your god, everything else is automatically wrong and automatically justified.
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I don't get my morality from the imaginary sky daddy.

I see no contradiction either.

I do see plenty in liberal/progressive ideology.

But it's 7 am and I'm getting ready for work.... so I can't take time.

I can play when I get to work.

How about you articulate what some conservative contradictions are and why they are that way and we'll play?

Edit....

I'll take the time to add this. You mention abortion and birth control.

Conservatives are typically against abortion.

But not birth control. Catholics are opposed to it, and they are traditionally under the Democratic tent.

Conservatives ARE against forcing your employer to purchase your birth control for you.

But generally you won't find conservative people opposed to people's freedom to use it.
 
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