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Hapo

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...you were certainly correct aboot the site being light on info...

...the high bay light look most excellent but there is virtually no specific data on it...

...any Idea aboot price, wattage, coverage..???...
 
Greengenes707

Greengenes707

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Hapo said:
...thanks for the information...

...is it my imagination or are you happy to see me buy anything that isn't from Robert Marnes...???...

...wtf did he do to you guys...???...
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I don't even know who you are talking about. All I know is the lights that you have asked about are not up to par with others that are available. I have seen two grows with the smaller cells lights...and they used a shit ton...still poor results. Tall tree grows or whatever is on instagram and looks ok...but still not like I have seen from other companies...with other growers not named the same as the company selling them.
Hapo said:
...you were certainly correct aboot the site being light on info...

...the high bay light look most excellent but there is virtually no specific data on it...

...any Idea aboot price, wattage, coverage..???...
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Dig deeper...inthe documentation section...
https://www.lsgc.com/downloads/dl/file/id/246/vividgro_brochure.pdf
And here is some pics of the denver relief grow....http://iconosquare.com/ryallgrow

Like I told you when I recommended it...2 should equal a 1000w hps...coverage and yield so they say.
 
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SnotBoogie said:
Why buying LED lights are different from HID, flourescent, and other established technology

The thing with the market for LED lights is that they have only recently become affordable for our purposes. They're still so new that the "cutting edge" moves extremely fast! what this can mean is that prices can vary wildly, between brand new tech and older stuff for example. At first it is very confusing, as what you think you "know" could become outdated due to advances in technology or cheaper production. Things that were expensive could become cheap, making you think you have a great deal, when in reality it is because there is some even newer technology which does the job better. For this reason, it's important to seek up-to-date info when making a purchase.

Another difference is that no-one has solidly decided what the "best" LED light, or light colour is. People, and plants have their own personal preference. ;) This gives you even more reason to seek a wide variety of sources of information. One of the best ways to do this is simply to take your finger off the post button, sit back and roll a joint, and have a click through some of the threads and grow journals that take your interest. You'd be suprised how much you will learn from conversations that seem to have nothing to do with the topic. :bigjoint:

Again... Read grow journals! lots of experienced growers try out the latest tech here. You might answer your question just by reading, and have pictures of the results too!

And remember, the search button is your friend!


// going to stop for now.. I intend to add a DIY vs retail explanation next.If you guys have contributions please fire away, either pm or post here and i will edit them into this post.
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yes you are on point with your diy idea as plants only need red, far red, blue, and uv light to grow, veg and flower, and do so very well. i have researched and personally tested thoroughly and even the best current led units have useless white, and sometimes yellow and orange leds in the panel, i think the reason for this is to increase the par level to try to sway the stubborn old timers who still believe light intensity is key rather than specific light colour.... so diy means you can give only the useful spectrum. but not everyone wants to get that technical, and the latest leds units are overcoming the penetration problems that early leds had by using lenses to focus, intensify and spread the light which is not simple technology you can do at home. so units like the lighthouse chrome series which use lenses to focus the beam angle of the led, meaning all the watts you emit are used by the plant. so you have no power wastage, and very little heat management is needed.

another consistent pro of every led unit i have seen (7 indoor grows with same cuttings every time but different led units) always give me at least 50% thicker stems, which is perfect for increased nutrient uptake and much more resinous plants throughout the life cycle ie natural pest resistance.

another consistent pro accross the board with any leds is far more density in veg. for me its a no brainer, led is the way forward, the tech is advancing rapidly and hps plasma and cfl technology has'nt progressed much in 5 years.... and nasa are using led to grow food in space... think they might be a good advocte for leds..... x
ts to get so involved as making your own led panels, plus the new wave of lenses and cob leds are difficult if not impossible to recreate at home
 
Jah348

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Any suggestions for a cloning box? I plan on getting some sort of generic humidity dome and probably a little heating pad, but what of the lighting? Is there any particular led lights that would do well? I planned on using just a single CFL (my friend does it and it works well), but I would like to keep my current LED obsession going.
 
Bad Karma

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Jah348 said:
Any suggestions for a cloning box? I plan on getting some sort of generic humidity dome and probably a little heating pad, but what of the lighting? Is there any particular led lights that would do well? I planned on using just a single CFL (my friend does it and it works well), but I would like to keep my current LED obsession going.
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The Cree LED globes that they sell at Home Depot are perfect for your situation.
 
Positivity

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yes you are on point with your diy idea as plants only need red, far red, blue, and uv light to grow, veg and flower, and do so very well. i have researched and personally tested thoroughly and even the best current led units have useless white, and sometimes yellow and orange leds in the panel, i think the reason for this is to increase the par level to try to sway the stubborn old timers who still believe light intensity is key rather than specific light colour.... so diy means you can give only the useful spectrum. but not everyone wants to get that technical, and the latest leds units are overcoming the penetration problems that early leds had by using lenses to focus, intensify and spread the light which is not simple technology you can do at home. so units like the lighthouse chrome series which use lenses to focus the beam angle of the led, meaning all the watts you emit are used by the plant. so you have no power wastage, and very little heat management is needed.

another consistent pro of every led unit i have seen (7 indoor grows with same cuttings every time but different led units) always give me at least 50% thicker stems, which is perfect for increased nutrient uptake and much more resinous plants throughout the life cycle ie natural pest resistance.

another consistent pro accross the board with any leds is far more density in veg. for me its a no brainer, led is the way forward, the tech is advancing rapidly and hps plasma and cfl technology has'nt progressed much in 5 years.... and nasa are using led to grow food in space... think they might be a good advocte for leds..... x
ts to get so involved as making your own led panels, plus the new wave of lenses and cob leds are difficult if not impossible to recreate at home
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White is right
Anyone can use a lens to focus their light
Heat management is always needed
New wave of lens and cobs are simple to recreate at home...actually commercial would be recreating DIY this time.

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TheChemist77

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Sorry havnt read the last 200 pages, but i have a question. ive never used leds but with all i hear i think im coming around to buying 1 to see what it can do, ive researched a few that cover a 6' area just to start with.. what is your thoughts on the generic 300 watt 10 band?? the reviews ive seen give it 5 stars and it has the same nm values as the advanced 300 watt led light.. also in high times they seem to recomend the GL8, THE CA. solarflare and the flip LED's I refuse to buy something and pay for the brands name if i can get 1 at half the price that produces the same thing. Anybody know about the generic 300 watt 10 band?? good? bad?
 
PetFlora

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Contrary to the RB guru, the hot ticket is white bumped with some mono reds for flowering stage

Also, RB panels are hard on the eyes. Some have already experienced serious problems

I'll follow the Sun's lead on spectrums
 
stardustsailor

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mk100000 said:
yes you are on point with your diy idea as plants only need red, far red, blue, and uv light to grow, veg and flower, and do so very well. i have researched and personally tested thoroughly and even the best current led units have useless white, and sometimes yellow and orange leds in the panel, i think the reason for this is to increase the par level to try to sway the stubborn old timers who still believe light intensity is key rather than specific light colour....
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So myself and all the rest led-growers ,using white leds/ arrays ,
we must be experiencing some sort of mass-hypnosis ...
Cause we see all the time ,grow after grow ,that the 'useless' white ,
which BTW contains 'useless' green,yellow & amber wls ,
yields some serious buds ...
That no red & blue monochromatic panel has achieved so far,from what I know at least ....
Even the successful (probably the only one being successful )Han's panel ,
has some 'useless' wls ...
Coming from cool white leds ...

You 've researched personally ?
In what way ?
Where's the results/ outcomes (pics ) from your researches ?
Light intensity is not the key ?
Wow !
So contrary to the physics universal laws ,I can provide 1-2 Watts of the right Red & blue wls and get a kilo or so ?
Brother ,before you do any further researches into plant biology ,you should 'refresh ' the physics laws ...

Spectrum affects -mainly - photomorphogenesis ,phototropism and to a lesser degree the circadian cycle...
As for the actual photosynthesis .....
Try to hit the plants for 18 hours or even 12 ,with > 200Watts
(or > 500umol/sec/m^2 ,if you prefer that unit..) of Red and blue monos ..
See what happens then ....
( it's called Photo-respiration and Photo -Saturation ...Just a tip ..
You 'll need some green wls ,to 'slow' things down ...)
Top canopy level stops photosynthesising in a matter of few hours ...
Lower level almost does nothing ...
Ain't that great ?

Red & blue leds ,are great for supplementing the sunlight ,in greenhouses up north
or as the only light source for non-light needy plants ,like lettuce ,celery,cabbage and quite a few other leafy (Long day ) grass-high plants ..
Not even bushes ...
Usually growing at field during winter time ...

So...
All of what you've said so far is pure BS ,brother ...
Sorry,but real -life experience beats your 'researches' ,chew them and spit them in the sewer ....
so diy means you can give only the useful spectrum.
but not everyone wants to get that technical
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Who says so ?
,and the latest leds units are overcoming the penetration problems that early leds had by using lenses to focus, intensify and spread the light which is not simple technology you can do at home. so units like the lighthouse chrome series which use lenses to focus the beam angle of the led, meaning all the watts you emit are used by the plant. so you have no power wastage, and very little heat management is needed.
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Penetration ? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Focus the light ?

On the top of a leaf canopy you mean ,frying everything over there ...
Cause brother ...Under a green leaf ...A single green leaf ...
The amounts of red & blue wls that
'penetrate' through it won't grow even algae ...
No matter the type of light source used,it's intensity or it's spectrum ...
Red & blue wls ,feed the top part of the canopy ...
The new shoot ..The young leaves ,brother ..
Those which are efficient enough to handle those wls (absorption peaks of the two main photosynthetic pigments )..
The older leaves of the lower canopy levels prefer green ,yellow and amber wls ,
-way- much more than red or blue ...

another consistent pro of every led unit i have seen (7 indoor grows with same cuttings every time but different led units) always give me at least 50% thicker stems, which is perfect for increased nutrient uptake and much more resinous plants throughout the life cycle ie natural pest resistance.
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Thicker stem does not stand for increased nutrient or water uptake ...
It depends mainly on substrate's pH ,substrate's & air temperature ,microfauna and microflora load and so many other factors ,thick stems not included ...
Thicker stems can support heavier (in weight )flower buds,thus a larger yield without the plant or it's brances to break ...
And of course the plant can withstand ,generally,bigger mechanical forces (like a strong wind )

Let alone the actual relation to trichome/ cannabinoids/resin production ...
Is about the same relation that a crocodile has with the Curiosity ,the Mars exploration vehicle ..
another consistent pro accross the board with any leds is far more density in veg. for me its a no brainer, led is the way forward, the tech is advancing rapidly and hps plasma and cfl technology has'nt progressed much in 5 years.... and nasa are using led to grow food in space... think they might be a good advocte for leds..... x
ts to get so involved as making your own led panels, plus the new wave of lenses and cob leds are difficult if not impossible to recreate at home
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:confused:
What ?

Oh my allergy ,again ...:fire:
 
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TheChemist77

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please any info on the generic brand 300 watt 10 band LED lights???? Also are leds just as good in flower as they are in veg? ive heard theyre good for veging but not flowering.... Also if anyone can tell me if this 300 watt led works will it really cover a 3x3 area and how deep is the penatration? how far above the plants should it be???? Please help as ive never used leds and need to know before i buy it!!!!
 
Greengenes707

Greengenes707

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TheChemist77 said:
Sorry havnt read the last 200 pages, but i have a question. ive never used leds but with all i hear i think im coming around to buying 1 to see what it can do, ive researched a few that cover a 6' area just to start with.. what is your thoughts on the generic 300 watt 10 band?? the reviews ive seen give it 5 stars and it has the same nm values as the advanced 300 watt led light.. also in high times they seem to recomend the GL8, THE CA. solarflare and the flip LED's I refuse to buy something and pay for the brands name if i can get 1 at half the price that produces the same thing. Anybody know about the generic 300 watt 10 band?? good? bad?
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TheChemist77 said:
please any info on the generic brand 300 watt 10 band LED lights???? Also are leds just as good in flower as they are in veg? ive heard theyre good for veging but not flowering.... Also if anyone can tell me if this 300 watt led works will it really cover a 3x3 area and how deep is the penatration? how far above the plants should it be???? Please help as ive never used leds and need to know before i buy it!!!!
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No need to read all the pages...it's the same thing over and over...get what you pay for with led's. If you can find a generic model of a brand basically means that neither of them(expensive "US supported" or the china direct generic) are worth your time or dollar.

You are asking about generic brands and lights...while at the same time worried that led's aren't as good as hps for flower...budget/generics sure as hell won't live up the hps. Getting a cheap light and a light that will live up to it's claims during flower is not going to happen. It's one or the other with tech right now still.
 
TheChemist77

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Greengenes707 said:
No need to read all the pages...it's the same thing over and over...get what you pay for with led's. If you can find a generic model of a brand basically means that neither of them(expensive "US supported" or the china direct generic) are worth your time or dollar.

You are asking about generic brands and lights...while at the same time worried that led's aren't as good as hps for flower...budget/generics sure as hell won't live up the hps. Getting a cheap light and a light that will live up to it's claims during flower is not going to happen. It's one or the other with tech right now still.
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Maybe you can recomend a decently priced led light that will cover a 3'x3' area to me? Or do you recomend buying 3 or 4 of the 14 watt leds that cover 1'x1' aerea? i ask because some say to buy the smaller ones so you can put them closer to the tops and others say buy a bigger unit and let the plants reach for them. please give me a recomended light that is good for flowering as i have all i need in my veg area...I have a 5x5 flower aerea and 2 400 watt hps above so i need 1 or 2 led's to put on the right and left sides of the hps lights to get extra coverage on the sides.. I also think about putting an led upside down under the plants as lighting for the lower buds. please nothing to expensive.
 
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TheChemist77 said:
say to buy the smaller ones so you can put them closer to the tops and others say buy a bigger unit and let the plants reach for them.
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Smaller panels seem better to me because you get more (even) coverage. You can adjust light height or concentration more flexibly. And, when (not if) a fixture fails you won't go entirely dark, easier to fill in with supplemental light.
 
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