Sea-of-Green: Grams per inch thread

[Ninjabowler]

Not much of a sea O greener but dont you get the best yields from hydro sog? Like flood and drain or nft? I had one oz per plant when i was doing sog dwc. Two weeks from dropping rooted clones into hydroton filled nets.

 

[Mad Hamish]

Not much of a sea O greener but dont you get the best yields from hydro sog? Like flood and drain or nft? I had one oz per plant when i was doing sog dwc. Two weeks from dropping rooted clones into hydroton filled nets.

On a first run in virgin soil, yes you definitely get much larger yields. But you also get a chemmy sauce of a product. Hydro is not an option. Those days are long gone. I run Living Organic Soil, and my SoG is in recycled LOS. First run will be a little weak on yields for sure. But this is a NO TILL system, which does yield just as well as hydro from second run onwards. We have technologies and techniques available to us as organic growers that hydro can never have, like live enzymes, ACT, SST, and bringing a plant to full genetic potential with no risk of genetic drift. Hydro is history... no bottles or synthetics needed... ever...

 

[Soulkipper]

is a SoG always just one main stem.. no topping/cropping etc..?

 

[josiahlee420dailyyy]

On a first run in virgin soil, yes you definitely get much larger yields. But you also get a chemmy sauce of a product. Hydro is not an option. Those days are long gone. I run Living Organic Soil, and my SoG is in recycled LOS. First run will be a little weak on yields for sure. But this is a NO TILL system, which does yield just as well as hydro from second run onwards. We have technologies and techniques available to us as organic growers that hydro can never have, like live enzymes, ACT, SST, and bringing a plant to full genetic potential with no risk of genetic drift. Hydro is history... no bottles or synthetics needed... ever...

Sorry guys this isn't about a Sog. More so about what Mad Hamish said.

Yeah here in Colorado, no one uses hydro anymore. It's all organic soil with compost teas and "super soils". It's the little guys in the soil putting in the work. Nutes are a multi-million if not billion dollar industry. Marijuana has been growing in soil working with the micros for a long time...call it a symbiotic relationship. I've never seen a hydro setup produce a 6+ pound marijuana plant. Outdoor California grows in LOS produce the biggest plants that I've seen outside of natural "Landrace" strains grown in a natural LOS. I agree that a great "Supersoil" with the right micro life will out produce any other medium. As you said, you can't use these live enzymes in a hydro set up and I believe the plant will never reach it's full potential without the micro biological life in the soil breaking down the soil naturally. Plus these micros keep the bad fungi and molds away as well as break down the nutrients in the soil to a level that the plant has been working with for millions of years. Rain water with no major nutrient content has been producing the chrons for EVER! It's all about the soil.

Although, don't just jump on a Subcool thread and start making "Supersoil". Especially if you do not have a good understanding of what is really going on. It's easy to make a "hot" soil, or an off balanced soil ( Ph too low or too high ), Even if you use someone's exact specs. Funny that it all comes full circle. First weed grew in soil, then man said here's a better way, and for a time it was good...Now most of the masters have returned to soil with a greater understanding of the ideal conditions.

All of this is just food for thought.

The only bottle of stuff you might want to invest in is organic black strap molasses.

 

[Soulkipper]

Figured out why FIM is FIM.. Definitely causes like 4-8 tops from one cut. 4 right at the site and the two immediately below it also look like tops, and two more that started where it was immediately topped like normal cuttings would happen. There might even be more by the looks of it.. can't get a good picture though.

 

[JointOperation]

I was replying to ignorant post of large plants are waste of time and space. That you obviously didn't read. More shoots equals more buds. Thats a given..

I've done sog for 3 batches 3 years ago. Yield was horrible in comparison. I got 6 zips of 12 plants. I probably didn't have the right strains. That was with 2 weeks veg time. I have never seen anyone pull more than 10 grams per plant with zero veg time. Every sog thread on here that claims huge yields is incomplete and never shows the end result.

lol.. SOG was my best runs. not vert tho.. never tried a vert sog.. no reason too.. sog is a horizontal grow style lol.. but i had over 400 clones in 1 gallon grow bags.. and i got 2923 grams off 2 1000s.

 

[hyroot]

lol.. SOG was my best runs. not vert tho.. never tried a vert sog.. no reason too.. sog is a horizontal grow style lol.. but i had over 400 clones in 1 gallon grow bags.. and i got 2923 grams off 2 1000s.

2923 grams of 400 plants. That's 7.3 grams a plant. Which supports my post.

I've never seen anyone pull more than 10 grams a plant with zero veg time .

No possible way 200 1 gallons can fit under a 1000 w. The most that will fit is 54 1 gallons.

I call shenanigans

 

[JointOperation]

1 gallon square grow bags.. squeezed together.. in a 10x8 room with only 2000 watts. in a 60inch cooltube with a huge wing.. had the taller plants on the outside.. smallers underneath.. 2 clones per bag..

lol.. and look who chimes in.. we can all call bullshit.. anyone who has done it knows it can be done.

i might have over exagerated the number of clones.. wen u get that many in a room who counts.. but my yields were spot on to wat i said. almost 3000grams.

 

[JointOperation]

i did a SOG.. my first few years into growing.. had to turn my 5x5 veg room into a cloning room for SOG. to get enough clones to fill the room to the brim.

at that time. i fucking rigged up a death trap.. lol.. but since then this has changed . alot.. i still use those shelving units.. but at this time.. i had 14 dome trays in that room.. 2 on each shelve on the right.. and 3 on the 2 bottom shelves on the right..

had it setup so there was an area for smaller clones.. then i moved each row down.. till the flower room was ready.. again.

i did 1 year of SOG.. and it was way to much work for me to hit numbers i can hit if i SCROG or top the fuck out of my plants.

 

[JointOperation]

and this is 1000w with 11 x 10.. had to take plants out of the room to WATER. not for the SOG. this is just showing. u can fit alot more then u believe UNDER A 1000w in a 5x5

and if this was for the SOG.. there would of been 2 clones per .. so . 220 plants could DEFF fit under 1000.. and the strains i was running were PERFECT FOR IT. i pretty much was doing a vertical scrog grow.. my canopy was a U around the 60inch cooltube..

 

[skunkd0c]

sog will out yield any other grow method if done right, most of it is finding the right pheno
that grows fast and produces a large central cola while keeping itself short

when plant count is not an issue, many smaller plants will grow faster , fill the space quicker
and require only a few days to 1 week veg time from clone, making the complete turnover quick too

folk who want to be more advanced can look at using multi story chambers using small led/T5s even
this helps make up for the wasted vertical space that sog plants do not make use of

growing anything but the main cola is to some degree wasting space and time
when a plant is in the veg period its wasting time
if you have plenty of air circulation you can get away with the colas being 1 inch apart when they bloom
although PM is always a worry when plants are so tightly packed


peace

 

[genuity]

and this is 1000w with 11 x 10.. had to take plants out of the room to WATER. not for the SOG. this is just showing. u can fit alot more then u believe UNDER A 1000w in a 5x5

and if this was for the SOG.. there would of been 2 clones per .. so . 220 plants could DEFF fit under 1000.. and the strains i was running were PERFECT FOR IT. i pretty much was doing a vertical scrog grow.. my canopy was a U around the 60inch cooltube..

Love in that pic..

 

[JointOperation]

those were all transplanted that day.. and when i sog. i do veg. 7-20 days.. depending on the strain. but most of the strains i had at that time . 4 were tall. 4 short.. it worked out perfectly.. i lollipopped.. and staked them as close together as i possibly could.. had to install 3 extra wall fans.. to prevent any PM or mold.. also had to water with a LADDER because there was no floor space at all. so i had to put the ladder in the room.. stand on that and use my wand to get every plant . also made a homemade watering thing to attach to my hose so i could reach plants at the corners..

it was great yielding.. and i was about to be upgrading to 4 1000s.. and then my partner fucked me . so i ended up starting over about 3 years in.. and only saved 4 strains.. and the seeds i made and the seeds i bought that i hadnt popped..

but. all in all. it was a ton of work.. if i ever SOG again.. ill do 6inch coco cubes.. and put in a table so i can drain to waste without having any issues. lol and making it SUPER EASY TO run..

also.. when i did this.. i had it in a cooltube like i said.. took off the factory reflector.. and put a reflector in a V shape kind and had these plants literally A U Canopy around it. i am looking for more photos .. but this is like 5 years ago.. and i have about 50 gigs of 12megapixel photos .. its retarded.. when i find. ill post.

ive tried every method over the years.. also including light movers.. and flip flops.. the only thing i have yet to try is the light spinners.... which is something i was just looking into .. upgrading to gavitas ,. went threw almost every nute too.. biocanna was the best tastingand super easy i ph the nutes tho . they say u dont need to but i had way better yields with phing the solution before watering.. .. dyna was the best yielding/easiest.. advanced was close behind all of them..

now they have humbolts and a few other companies i have yet to try..

i didnt like gh line.. made my entire harvest smell and taste wierd.. like every strain.. had this hint of something.. that made them all smell and taste the same kind of.. it was wierd..

bio canna.. did amazing things to make them all express very different traits and made them all taste amazingly different..

umm.. sog days were fun.. but when ur taking 1000s of clones.. and only keeping the super vigorous and best looking.. to flower.. and transplanting them before flower.. and then havin to stake them after the stretch.. and lollipop.. and then have to move them into there final resting place with the smallers in the middle.. and the tallers around them like Stadium seating but by plant size.. instead of having different levels or shelves.. and watering.. taking 30-60 minutes to make sure u hit every plant twice because there sucking up the water daily.. lol.. it was a super busy time.. and then harvesting.. and having to then start over. cloning. and transplanting into cups. then 1 gals.. then into flower. and so on.. and in between that.. while your not working in the room.. your trimming and selling your buds..

and believe it or not.. i was working 50-60 hours a week.. and maintaining my rooms.

 

[genuity]

those were all transplanted that day.. and when i sog. i do veg. 7-20 days.. depending on the strain. but most of the strains i had at that time . 4 were tall. 4 short.. it worked out perfectly.. i lollipopped.. and staked them as close together as i possibly could.. had to install 3 extra wall fans.. to prevent any PM or mold.. also had to water with a LADDER because there was no floor space at all. so i had to put the ladder in the room.. stand on that and use my wand to get every plant . also made a homemade watering thing to attach to my hose so i could reach plants at the corners..

it was great yielding.. and i was about to be upgrading to 4 1000s.. and then my partner fucked me . so i ended up starting over about 3 years in.. and only saved 4 strains.. and the seeds i made and the seeds i bought that i hadnt popped..

but. all in all. it was a ton of work.. if i ever SOG again.. ill do 6inch coco cubes.. and put in a table so i can drain to waste without having any issues. lol and making it SUPER EASY TO run..

Tables/trays are a must,that's all I'm waiting on now.
Thanks for this post.

 

[Mad Hamish]

those were all transplanted that day.. and when i sog. i do veg. 7-20 days.. depending on the strain. but most of the strains i had at that time . 4 were tall. 4 short.. it worked out perfectly.. i lollipopped.. and staked them as close together as i possibly could.. had to install 3 extra wall fans.. to prevent any PM or mold.. also had to water with a LADDER because there was no floor space at all. so i had to put the ladder in the room.. stand on that and use my wand to get every plant . also made a homemade watering thing to attach to my hose so i could reach plants at the corners..

it was great yielding.. and i was about to be upgrading to 4 1000s.. and then my partner fucked me . so i ended up starting over about 3 years in.. and only saved 4 strains.. and the seeds i made and the seeds i bought that i hadnt popped..

but. all in all. it was a ton of work.. if i ever SOG again.. ill do 6inch coco cubes.. and put in a table so i can drain to waste without having any issues. lol and making it SUPER EASY TO run..

also.. when i did this.. i had it in a cooltube like i said.. took off the factory reflector.. and put a reflector in a V shape kind and had these plants literally A U Canopy around it. i am looking for more photos .. but this is like 5 years ago.. and i have about 50 gigs of 12megapixel photos .. its retarded.. when i find. ill post.

ive tried every method over the years.. also including light movers.. and flip flops.. the only thing i have yet to try is the light spinners.... which is something i was just looking into .. upgrading to gavitas ,. went threw almost every nute too.. biocanna was the best tastingand super easy i ph the nutes tho . they say u dont need to but i had way better yields with phing the solution before watering.. .. dyna was the best yielding/easiest.. advanced was close behind all of them..

now they have humbolts and a few other companies i have yet to try..

i didnt like gh line.. made my entire harvest smell and taste wierd.. like every strain.. had this hint of something.. that made them all smell and taste the same kind of.. it was wierd..

bio canna.. did amazing things to make them all express very different traits and made them all taste amazingly different..

umm.. sog days were fun.. but when ur taking 1000s of clones.. and only keeping the super vigorous and best looking.. to flower.. and transplanting them before flower.. and then havin to stake them after the stretch.. and lollipop.. and then have to move them into there final resting place with the smallers in the middle.. and the tallers around them like Stadium seating but by plant size.. instead of having different levels or shelves.. and watering.. taking 30-60 minutes to make sure u hit every plant twice because there sucking up the water daily.. lol.. it was a super busy time.. and then harvesting.. and having to then start over. cloning. and transplanting into cups. then 1 gals.. then into flower. and so on.. and in between that.. while your not working in the room.. your trimming and selling your buds..

and believe it or not.. i was working 50-60 hours a week.. and maintaining my rooms.

lol... I have some interesting watering tools... best one is a little saucepan tied to a stick. Reaches just right nd I can measure exact amounts. But this became an issue for me when i had to move to tents, never mind SoG lol. I agree it is a lot of work, but my days of commercial size runs are pretty much forgotten it is just a hobbu to me, so my rig is very small and i actually like the extra work, keeps me from growing complacent. That and me and my wife are heavy users so hopefully I get some variety dialled in also, some Indies and satties like you did. Dialling them in one at a time seems most wize though. All my girls are lifted off te ground pretty far, I can kinda clean runoff spots with my one broomy mop thing but I would love a good drainage solution for tents. I used to do ebb and flow, so in my bigger rooms I could just use the old tables and trays. I might need to build a little man cave soon.

 

[Soulkipper]

Yo show some pics from day 1 flower with the finished pic.

 

[JointOperation]

I gotta go searching .. all my photos are on dvds.. after a buddy got busted.. and they used his laptop against him.. I decided with the help of another forum member on a different site.... to start encrypting my photos on to discs.. as to be able to destroy the disc and get rid of the evidence..

but give me some time.. ill go threw the 10 dual layer discs .. photos all in 4000x3000.. since day 1.. but I don't like to take lots of photos.. don't really havea s much time anymore.. back when I started I took lots of pics.. but I need to go threw em. and dump all of the ones that have shitty focus.. and shit like that.. its tons of work . lol lots of time.

 

[ayr0n]

that was a heavily bull shitted post. add figures to it -- each strain matters.

Well I was really digging the thread at first then I hit this post from OP...after he got what appeared to be sound advice...My new agenda is to ensure everybody stops helping this dude. No more info.

Please note that 6 people liked @grievous bodily harm 's post and no one liked your shitty response to it.

Also please note that

your attitude is all wrong.

and that

you are going about it in a fucked up way.

I'll be watching. Don't fucking help this guy or I'll eat your soul. Pe@ce.

EDIT:
Oh I have something else I'd like to add...

is a SoG always just one main stem.. no topping/cropping etc..?

^ This is the guy telling people their advice is bullshit. Lol. Just sayin...Lotta good info in here looking past the "BS".

 

[Soulkipper]

you cant even read... thats like a filler post just to bump this thread.. mods, just close and delete this thread.. it's a pity party that keeps repeating itself

 

[ayr0n]

you cant even read... thats like a filler post just to bump this thread.. mods, just close and delete this thread.. it's a pity party that keeps repeating itself

Can someone help me make out what this dude is saying - I can't even read it