Do you medicate at work?

VIANARCHRIS

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As an employer you do have to accommodate the employee and there is nothing wrong with that as its as it should be but if your injury/meds are going to keep you from doing the work you were hired for and you can't do it in the long run I'm not gonna keep you around too long if you're not qualified for other duties. In a big



I know someone who got a job and was on anti seizure meds when he got the job as it was part of WCB back to work. He went to school for training (for quite a while) and got the job as he was good at what he did He was doing fine till his seizure/massive headaches started to be more common (he got them from an accident at a previous job). Since his job would have involved going on ladders and him possibly having a seizure while on one, he couldn't do the job any more and the business had to let him go since he wasn't qualified to do other duties at the place. WCB agreed on it and allowed him to go back to school.

Well if I applied for a job where lifting was required all day and I didn't tell my employer that I had a herniated disk and a few day in I can't do the job because of back pain I'd expect to be let go since I didn't tell them my injury would affect my duties.
Ability to do the job and the medication one takes are two entirely different topics. Obviously someone with back problems isn't the best candidate for a piano mover and they would not be qualified for the job. A person who uses mj for health reasons unrelated to his/her ability to perform their job, must be accommodated. How that looks would vary for every situation,imo.
 

CannaReview

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I see loopholes there...not big ones but loopholes all the same. For example if an employee chooses not to disclose and then is discovered (even sounds funny)using and trying to pull it out at the 11th hour.....
However, an employee with a marijuana prescription should inform the boss because failing to disclose it means the right to reasonable accommodation is forfeited.
Ability to do the job and the medication one takes are two entirely different topics. Obviously someone with back problems isn't the best candidate for a piano mover and they would not be qualified for the job. A person who uses mj for health reasons unrelated to his/her ability to perform their job, must be accommodated. How that looks would vary for every situation,imo.
Well according to the article only if you tell the employer, other wise you forfeit the right to accommodations.
 

cannadan

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I pretty sure if I failed to tell those who I consult for...I would still be working......
once again it all comes down to money....and how many millions you make for them....
Typical of most employers.....the bottom line tells the tale.....otherwise I doubt many give a rats ass about their
employees.....and are just lessening their liabilities.....employers are basically weasels.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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However, an employee with a marijuana prescription should inform the boss because failing to disclose it means the right to reasonable accommodation is forfeited.


Well according to the article only if you tell the employer, other wise you forfeit the right to accommodations.
Not so, the way I read it. I understand it to mean the employee, should they not inform their employer, cannot claim discrimination about there not being a policy, place to medicate etc. Pretty much...if they don't know, they can't be guilty of not accommodating. Failing to inform your employer of mmj use does not invalidate your rights, just your ability to sue for discrimination prior to you telling them. This exact issue is part of what I am dealing with now and trust me, I have done my research. My situation is somewhat unique as I live on site as part of my job caretaking a camp for a non-profit., and other than providing security and cutting the grass, any other work I do is volunteer. When it was discovered I smoked mmj, they asked why I hadn't informed them prior. This is a youth camp and I know they would have chosen someone else if I had disclosed. They have a spot on the application form to indicate medical issues and medications needed (meant more for youth attending camps) but as non of my issues are considered life threatening, I do not need to disclose my personal information. I am not asking for the employer to do anything to accommodate me, they just need/want a policy that keeps mj away from youth at the camp.
 

nsbudca

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I told my employer and he did everything but throw holy water on me. I told him I medicate at night for the most part and he said keep it that way and he didn't even want me to talk about it because he thought my employees wouldn't understand or lose respect for me.
 

nsbudca

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It's all about just cause.....I can fire anybody at any time. I can give you a written notice, or a severance. Either way if I don't want you working for me your outta here!!

I just do the three written warnings. Legal, my ass is covered and it's never taken more than a week..you can always find reasons to write people up ;)
 

bigmanc

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Tons of negativity coming from "employers" here, why? It's actually disgusting to see people throughout the days post "Yaaa legalization" "Boo LP can't afford my meds" and "OMG bad meds from tilray" screw off already, it's either your for it or against it. So many people playing both sides of the fence. People saying get the fuck out of the shop you know where the door is and "write ups are always easy" you people put this movement 2 steps backwards and actually don't give a shit about the people that need the medication and at the end of the day nobody gives a shit about each other and only themselves. Sad but true.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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Yeah, it's a lot of tough talk from 'employer's' that has no bearing on actual reality. The courts have backed the right of the employee not to be discriminated against due to a disability, and using bs '3 warnings' of actions that cannot be substantiated, or would not normally result in dismissal as a way around that, would easily be challenged and won. I'm not sure why we're seeing anti-pot comments from supposed pro-pot people.
 

bigmanc

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Yeah, it's a lot of tough talk from 'employer's' that has no bearing on actual reality. The courts have backed the right of the employee not to be discriminated against due to a disability, and using bs '3 warnings' of actions that cannot be substantiated, or would not normally result in dismissal as a way around that, would easily be challenged and won. I'm not sure why we're seeing anti-pot comments from supposed pro-pot people.
Its actually upsetting eh, puts me in a real bumd out mood this early. I understand there fear but the responsability of being a employer is acomidating your employee. These small business owners feel there on top of the world. If i work for you for 8 months and i get hit by a train and cant walk - you need to put a ramp for my wheel chair. If i turn blind, you need to put brail on items for me to work with. If i need to take my medication - you need to provide me a designated place to medicate. If im someone from a different country and i would like to pray - you need to give me a small room for privacy to pray. If im one of those 220+ people getting heroin from europe come christmas well guess what - you need to accomidate that too. If you dont acomidate and if you violate the rights of the employee i hope you get sued. Sued so much that your business falls and fails, so much that you will understand that canadians are to be treated equally in the work place. I suggest some of you get a HR consultant to pop by for a day and show you fellas the ropes.
 

Jackal69

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I would love to have to some loser boss try and fire me for MMJ. Specially if it doesn't effect productivity, oh gee a written warning.... will that go on my permanent record??? LOL no more like ROTFLMAO!!!!!

I agree with ya Bigmanc ..... these posters that are saying I would fire yer ass if you tried to put quality of life into yourself before you came to work..... I spit in their faces! I fart in your general direction!
 

Jackal69

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Its actually upsetting eh, puts me in a real bumd out mood this early. I understand there fear but the responsability of being a employer is acomidating your employee. These small business owners feel there on top of the world. If i work for you for 8 months and i get hit by a train and cant walk - you need to put a ramp for my wheel chair. If i turn blind, you need to put brail on items for me to work with. If i need to take my medication - you need to provide me a designated place to medicate. If im someone from a different country and i would like to pray - you need to give me a small room for privacy to pray. If im one of those 220+ people getting heroin from europe come christmas well guess what - you need to accomidate that too. If you dont acomidate and if you violate the rights of the employee i hope you get sued. Sued so much that your business falls and fails, so much that you will understand that canadian are to be treated equally in the work place. I suggest some of you get a HR consultant to pop by for a day and show you fellas the ropes.
well I don't think they need to "give" you a room just the time you need to pray, as that sounds more reasonable to both parties.
 

bigmanc

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Oh no, they do need to designate a area for you. I work within the public sector of toronto...i speak from the experience and what ive seen and dealt with personally and the praying is a huge one. Im not sure if they can use the pray room for other things during the day or not, i personally have never seen them as multi-use room, usually a small seminar room, just a blank room with absolutely nothing in it. Bring your carpet thing if you wish.
 

Jackal69

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Oh no, they do need to designate a area for you. I work within the public sector of toronto...i speak from the experience and what ive seen and dealt with personally and the praying is a huge one. Im not sure if they can use the pray room for other things during the day or not, i personally have never seen them as multi-use room, usually a small seminar room, just a blank room with absolutely nothing in it. Bring your carpet thing if you wish.
just saying ... ya if they already have a room there sure why not.... but if your a warehouse, I don't think you have to build it for them
 

WHATFG

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Oh no, they do need to designate a area for you. I work within the public sector of toronto...i speak from the experience and what ive seen and dealt with personally and the praying is a huge one. Im not sure if they can use the pray room for other things during the day or not, i personally have never seen them as multi-use room, usually a small seminar room, just a blank room with absolutely nothing in it. Bring your carpet thing if you wish.
Yep....there's a woman at the pool trying to convert (for a man!) and the city of Whitehorse has to let her wear all that shit that would probably drown everyone if she had to jump in and provide her somewhere to go to pray in private. Welcome to the new Canada.
 

Jackal69

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everyone's too touchy and feely. Imagine you go to another country( for citizenship) and you want there freedoms, but they turn around and make Canada about you.... how fucking sweet.
Can anyone explain to me what a Canadian culture is and why we have to change it for everyone? ok before you lose it!!!!
I'm not religious but I don't expect anyone to go out of their way to make sure I can pray? just don't prevent from doing it!! If I wear clothing that hampers my job ... I will change it.... or look for another job if I have to wear it.

I believe anyone can do whatever ya fucking want as long as it don't harmfully effect someone. But I guess I wouldn't have ever left the old country alive to join another, because if I wanted freedom in my old country over oppression I would have fought for it... maybe died!
 

nsbudca

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wow wow wow, im not saying write people up for using meds, that would be pretty hypocritical. I'm talking about people who are stealing from you, you just haven't caught them on the camera yet...things like that. my comment was in no reference to cannabis at all.

and as far as "you're either for or against LP's and legalization"... i didn't know how this system would be until i stepped into it.

I think LPS should be an option..just not the only option. I'm not the biggest lp hater out there. I think we should all be able to access and use pot in which ever manner we choose. Medical or recreational.
 

CalyxCrusher

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Not so, the way I read it. I understand it to mean the employee, should they not inform their employer, cannot claim discrimination about there not being a policy, place to medicate etc. Pretty much...if they don't know, they can't be guilty of not accommodating. Failing to inform your employer of mmj use does not invalidate your rights, just your ability to sue for discrimination prior to you telling them.

I cannot vouch for disclosing mmj use at work as I've never felt the need personally. However, you do not forfeit anything by not disclosing a medical condition.

You have no obligation as an employee to do so unless the expectation of accommodation is expected. It opens the door for discrimination in the hiring process. I have been through this with a former employer for wrongful dismissal. Took them all the way to the Human Rights Tribunal court. And won.

Just under 2 years from start to finish. Now although I did disclose my condition during my interview my lawyer stated that this was not necessary in the future when I asked what to do during any future interviews. She said it was up to me. The burden is not on the employee to accommodate.
 

WHATFG

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everyone's too touchy and feely. Imagine you go to another country( for citizenship) and you want there freedoms, but they turn around and make Canada about you.... how fucking sweet.
Can anyone explain to me what a Canadian culture is and why we have to change it for everyone? ok before you lose it!!!!
I'm not religious but I don't expect anyone to go out of their way to make sure I can pray? just don't prevent from doing it!! If I wear clothing that hampers my job ... I will change it.... or look for another job if I have to wear it.

I believe anyone can do whatever ya fucking want as long as it don't harmfully effect someone. But I guess I wouldn't have ever left the old country alive to join another, because if I wanted freedom in my old country over oppression I would have fought for it... maybe died!
Why is it that people can't come to this country and adopt our way of life? If you have to change everything to the way it was where you came from why in the fuck did you leave? I don't get it and I think this started for me with the altering of the national police force uniform. End rant.
 

Jackal69

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I suppose I think the way I do because of living in Canada. BTW it is the world's greatest country! anyways I couldn't imagine growing up in some shit hole country, but it aint getting better if the people that care about it leave!
 

bigmanc

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You guys bring up a great point of liberty in our country, the new comers really do run it. I once saw something on facebook witch had something to do with anti-immigration type scenario and it read "You work until your 65-67 and get a maximum of 1100$ from CPP a month, a new comer to this country who hasnt worked a day in there life gets granted 1800$ a month via refugee status" im not sure about the number for refugee status but 1800 sounds about right.

My opinion;
Take your ninja suits off
Stop leaving your woman in the car while you work
Respect my flag
Respect my way of life
Respect my religion
and for fuck sakes, its MERRY CHRISTMAS not happy holidays, everytime you tell me happy holidays il be right there replying with a merry fucking christmas with a smile on my face ear to ear.
 
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