10x10 grow room help

Dr. Treez84

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Getting ready to set up my spare bedroom for the winter and i've never done indoor before. The room is 10x10 and i'm aloud to have 75 plants. My problem is deciding between LED or 10 1000w HID lights. From what I hear LED gives you better quality but bout 25% less yield. I have a friend who can get me top of the line bulbs for cheap but not sure if LED is worth it for the smaller yield.
 

Aeroknow

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Getting ready to set up my spare bedroom for the winter and i've never done indoor before. The room is 10x10 and i'm aloud to have 75 plants. My problem is deciding between LED or 10 1000w HID lights. From what I hear LED gives you better quality but bout 25% less yield. I have a friend who can get me top of the line bulbs for cheap but not sure if LED is worth it for the smaller yield.
Are you thinking you can put 10,000watts of HID lights in there? Did I read that rite?
 

spek9

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Four 1000w would be a perfect fit for a 10x10' space. Each 1kW lamp covers a 5x5' area.

To be honest, what I'd do personally is have two 1000w lamps, each on its own light-mover. I'd have two 8' long tables, 4' wide each (with two feet in between), and each lamp would move over its own table.

If you were going to buy 10 1000w lamps, you most definitely have the budget for such a wonderful setup (and the ventilation etc to go with it) :)

-spek
 

Dr. Treez84

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Are you thinking you can put 10,000watts of HID lights in there? Did I read that rite?
Buddy of mine does it with no hoods on them. 12 in a 12x12 room. More watts more yield from what I understand

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Aeroknow

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Buddy of mine does it with no hoods on them. 12 in a 12x12 room. More watts more yield from what I understand

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Holy smoke! It wasn't a typo. There is a thing called diminishing returns, just so you know;-)

Just curious, how are you planning to cool this room?
 

Dr. Treez84

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Holy smoke! It wasn't a typo. There is such a thing as diminishing returns;-)

Just curious, how are you planning to cool this room?
Like I said I know 0 about indoor, I'm all outdoor, just trying to figure out a winter crop. But I live in Colorado figured winter temps and an ac would do the trick with an exhaust system but that's why I'm trying to figure out the led version so I can avoid the temps.

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Dr. Treez84

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Ideally though, I'd like to get it dialed in so I can be cropping indoor a few times a year along with my outdoor. I just only have one room so trying to figure out the most efficient way to set it up.

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Aeroknow

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Swear out in Cali, where do u think I got the idea lol
I'm in cali, been doing this for almost 2-1/2 decades. Never, have i seen someone attempt that. Even if they were spanking the power.
What you got to realize, is that each 1000w of light, is like a 1000w room heater. Can you imagine 10 of them in a 100sqft room?
You could air-cool the lights, and that would help but......,
Shoot for about 50-60watts per sqft;-) And you will be golden!
 

Dr. Treez84

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Four 1000w would be a perfect fit for a 10x10' space. Each 1kW lamp covers a 5x5' area.

To be honest, what I'd do personally is have two 1000w lamps, each on its own light-mover. I'd have two 8' long tables, 4' wide each (with two feet in between), and each lamp would move over its own table.

If you were going to buy 10 1000w lamps, you most definitely have the budget for such a wonderful setup (and the ventilation etc to go with it) :)

-spek
Yeah the budget isn't the issue. It's just getting the most efficient set up I can for the space available.

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Dr. Treez84

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I'm in cali, been doing this for almost 2-1/2 decades. Never, have i seen someone attempt that. Even if they were spanking the power.
What you got to realize, is that each 1000w of light, is like a 1000w room heater. Can you imagine 10 of them in a 100sqft room?
You could air-cool the lights, and that would help but......,
Shoot for about 50-60watts per sqft;-) And you will be golden!
Yeah, he's got an outrageous power bill. But I'll plan on 6 instead then. Do you know anything about LED? Really want to run LEDs that will give me the same results or close. So much cheaper on power and don't gotta worry about the heat
 

Aeroknow

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Yeah, he's got an outrageous power bill. But I'll plan on 6 instead then. Do you know anything about LED? Really want to run LEDs that will give me the same results or close. So much cheaper on power and don't gotta worry about the heat
I have no personal experience with LED's yet. But from what I hear, they still don't come close to an hps.
If I were you, i would buy 4 Gavita(DE bulbs)lights. It would light it up perfect.
All my buddy's who have tried the gavita's swear by them. Each light will cover a 5X5 very nicely
 
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Dr. Treez84

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I have no personal experience with LED's yet. But from what I hear, they still don't come close to an hps.
If I were you, i would buy 4 Gavita(DE bulbs)lights. It would light it up perfect.
All my buddy's who have tried the gavita's swear by them. Each light will cover a 5X5 very nicely
Man I was really over doing it lol alright, wanna keep it as simple as I can so maybe LEDs after I figure out indoor.
What would be a fair guess of how much 4 1000w would yield? from what i've been told, first time should probably get around 1g per watt?
 

Aeroknow

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Man I was really over doing it lol alright, wanna keep it as simple as I can so maybe LEDs after I figure out indoor.
What would be a fair guess of how much 4 1000w would yield? from what i've been told, first time should probably get around 1g per watt?
You know, it has allot to do with skill and the strain/s your gonna rock. Newer OG type strains, I only average about 1.5lb per 1000w. Sometimes more:-) . Again, depends on strain.
If I was able to get away with growing bigbud, or some massive yeilding strain, (that doesn't cut it any longer), I was able to get 2lb+ per 1000w easily.
Check this out:

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KIo9WzAglU1HkA9ef7w8QF;_ylu=X3oDMTByZ2N0cmxpBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQDBGdwb3MDMg--?p=light+spread+on+a+1000w+gavita+pro&vid=595fec009d83b8df9114c4bac588bedc&l=4:19&turl=http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=VN.608032606202039223&pid=15.1&rurl=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5weG40bdumo&tit=gavita+pro+1000w+de+vs+336+l.e.d+vs+1000w+digilux&c=1&sigr=11at0kjfm&sigt=11het6172&age=0&&tt=b
 

Aeroknow

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By the way: it really fucking pisses me off when I can't pull more than 1.5 from a strain, per 1000w :bigjoint:
 

Sp33dymonk3y

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I call b.s.

- Jiji
Rather I believe him or not, I wouldn't doubt him.. You know nothing about him? Calling "bullshit" on somebody you don't low? No that's bullshit.. -.- don't bring some one down because you can't spend $2,000 on hps lights? Lol. Sorry I don't mean to be rude. Actually I do because you were rude to this man who is trying to get help.!!!!
 

spek9

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Man I was really over doing it lol alright, wanna keep it as simple as I can so maybe LEDs after I figure out indoor.
What would be a fair guess of how much 4 1000w would yield? from what i've been told, first time should probably get around 1g per watt?
1g per watt is what an experienced grower desires. Not often does a first or second time grower get.

I wrote up a calculation to get your GPW here: https://www.rollitup.org/t/proper-calculation-of-gram-per-watt-ratio.843161/

If you want to keep it as simple as you can, start small. One lamp, a few plants. Going way overboard is a very big, and very costly mistake in almost all cases.

-spek
 

Dr. Treez84

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1g per watt is what an experienced grower desires. Not often does a first or second time grower get.

I wrote up a calculation to get your GPW here: https://www.rollitup.org/t/proper-calculation-of-gram-per-watt-ratio.843161/

If you want to keep it as simple as you can, start small. One lamp, a few plants. Going way overboard is a very big, and very costly mistake in almost all cases.

-spek
Simple but still worth while. I don't believe there's such a thing as too much light, I think it's keeping the temps down. I'm an outdoor grower and we cant turn the sun off. But being said I don't want to get in over my head so I guess 4 lights will be a good starting point.
 

Aeroknow

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1g per watt is what an experienced grower desires. Not often does a first or second time grower get.

I wrote up a calculation to get your GPW here: https://www.rollitup.org/t/proper-calculation-of-gram-per-watt-ratio.843161/

If you want to keep it as simple as you can, start small. One lamp, a few plants. Going way overboard is a very big, and very costly mistake in almost all cases.

-spek
It's nice to see you included veg watts in the calculation. It's always bothered me that everyone forgot that veg was included, when calculating gpw first came to be. That's why I don't even usually speak the language of GPW any longer. Again, well done ;-)
Now, if I could just get away with growing the strains I use to, in my pre-aeroflo brand home made tubes, with zero veg(rooted cut rite into flower)and pull 1g per watt again........I would be the happiest man on this planet!
 
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