Retirement Without Working: It wont be long before we all go on vacation!!

ElfoodStampo

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you act like money is static and forever unchanging, and that wealth can not be used to create more wealth.

that's an idiotic way of looking at things, but then again, you are you.

hard to call medicare and SS handouts when i am putting 15.3% of every dollar i earn towards them.
Your right, I believe money, which the constitution defines as gold and silver are static. It's talked about in the bible that a man should be compensated for a days work with silver.
The currency system we use is fucked up, you have a very few people deciding what our currency should be worth and manipulate to make it so. That is not right.
Why is it a bad Idea for you to save that 1.53 for your self in property or gold or whatever you feel is a good investment, instead of giving it to the Government for redistribution?
 

earnest_voice

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had no idea working your whole life, contributing to social security, and then retiring on social security made you a welfare recipient.
Men can be gold diggers too... AMIRITE?

but then again, OP makes lots of logical leaps, his most infamous one being that if the girl is black out drunk, it's not his fault if he rapes her.
This coming from guy who is a self described

rapist for a cause
And who willingly endorses rape.

it's OK, i think one of them is blackout drunk and being raped against his will.
 

ChesusRice

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Who's Pushing for Privatization and Who Wants to Strengthen the Current System?
According to an article in The Washington Post, one privatization proposal would pump $4 trillion a year into the stock market and investment brokers would stand to make over $240 billion in fees during the first 12 years.
The obvious answer to who’s pushing for privatization is Wall Street. According to an article in The Washington Post, one privatization proposal would pump $4 trillion a year into the stock market and investment brokers would stand to make over $240 billion in fees during the first 12 years. That’s why investment houses such as Fidelity, J.P. Morgan & Co., and State Street Boston Corp. have sponsored forums to spread the word that Social Security privatization will make everybody rich.
A variety of pro-privatization groups have sprung up — funded by Wall Street brokerage firms and other money interests: Economic Security 2000 raised huge sums from DuPont, Morgan Stanley and other big companies to develop grassroots support for privatization; Citizens for a Sound Economy, financed by businesses and wealthy conservatives, put millions into media ads and other public relations activities; the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, has received millions from companies like American Express and State Street Boston Corp. to fund privatization research projects, conferences and seminars for members of Congress.
Those who oppose privatization in favor of strengthening the current system aren’t concerned about making money from either option. They just want future generations to have the same degree of income protection as those who came before them. In addition to labor unions, progressive think tanks such as the Economic Policy Institute, Campaign for America’s Future, and the Twentieth Century Fund have pointed out flaws in privatization arguments.
Also, nearly every senior citizen group — including the American Association of Retired Persons, the Alliance for Retired Americans, and the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare — opposes privatization. Groups like the Center for Policy and Budget Priorities and the Institute for Women’s Policy Research have pointed out how privatization will disproportionately disadvantage low- and moderate-income workers, especially women. And the youth organization known as the 2030 Center has shown how privatization is a bad deal for Generation X.
http://www.afscme.org/news/publications/retirement-life/everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-social-securitys-future/whos-pushing-for-privatization-and-who-wants-to-strengthen-the-current-system
 

ElfoodStampo

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I took all my money out of my 401K and will never invest in the stock market again.
funny thing is the return on my investment from the 401(k) was almost 20% from 2008 until 2014. That's completely fucked up. The bubble will burst and shit will be bad. 2008 showed the system is manipulated and is not a "free Market". track the value of gold/oil/ and the dollar and you'll understand what I mean.
 

UncleBuck

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funny thing is the return on my investment from the 401(k) was almost 20% from 2008 until 2014. That's completely fucked up. The bubble will burst and shit will be bad. 2008 showed the system is manipulated and is not a "free Market". track the value of gold/oil/ and the dollar and you'll understand what I mean.
rawn pawl lost and rend pawl will too.
 

ChesusRice

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funny thing is the return on my investment from the 401(k) was almost 20% from 2008 until 2014. That's completely fucked up. The bubble will burst and shit will be bad. 2008 showed the system is manipulated and is not a "free Market". track the value of gold/oil/ and the dollar and you'll understand what I mean.
No I dont understand what you mean.
Explain
 

ElfoodStampo

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Who's Pushing for Privatization and Who Wants to Strengthen the Current System?
According to an article in The Washington Post, one privatization proposal would pump $4 trillion a year into the stock market and investment brokers would stand to make over $240 billion in fees during the first 12 years.
The obvious answer to who’s pushing for privatization is Wall Street. According to an article in The Washington Post, one privatization proposal would pump $4 trillion a year into the stock market and investment brokers would stand to make over $240 billion in fees during the first 12 years. That’s why investment houses such as Fidelity, J.P. Morgan & Co., and State Street Boston Corp. have sponsored forums to spread the word that Social Security privatization will make everybody rich.
A variety of pro-privatization groups have sprung up — funded by Wall Street brokerage firms and other money interests: Economic Security 2000 raised huge sums from DuPont, Morgan Stanley and other big companies to develop grassroots support for privatization; Citizens for a Sound Economy, financed by businesses and wealthy conservatives, put millions into media ads and other public relations activities; the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, has received millions from companies like American Express and State Street Boston Corp. to fund privatization research projects, conferences and seminars for members of Congress.
Those who oppose privatization in favor of strengthening the current system aren’t concerned about making money from either option. They just want future generations to have the same degree of income protection as those who came before them. In addition to labor unions, progressive think tanks such as the Economic Policy Institute, Campaign for America’s Future, and the Twentieth Century Fund have pointed out flaws in privatization arguments.
Also, nearly every senior citizen group — including the American Association of Retired Persons, the Alliance for Retired Americans, and the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare — opposes privatization. Groups like the Center for Policy and Budget Priorities and the Institute for Women’s Policy Research have pointed out how privatization will disproportionately disadvantage low- and moderate-income workers, especially women. And the youth organization known as the 2030 Center has shown how privatization is a bad deal for Generation X.
http://www.afscme.org/news/publications/retirement-life/everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-social-securitys-future/whos-pushing-for-privatization-and-who-wants-to-strengthen-the-current-system
I see your point, and I would hope people would find new ways to invest their money. I don't believe the stock market is a great place to park your money.
 

ChesusRice

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If you use those who are supported by Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF)--best described as a federal largess to indigent families with dependent children--as stated by the Dept. of Health the data suggests 1.7% of the total population that derive over 50% of their income from Welfare supports. The number stated that receive any portion of their support from from welfare assistance--including food stamps--it is 29,900,000 or roughly 8% of the total population in the United States. This breaks down to: 39% white 11,661,000 of 29,900,000 recipients 38% black 11,362,000 of 29,900,000 17% Hispanic 5,083,000 of 29,900,000 The strictest sense of the term though would be those getting income directly from the U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services which is about 8% of the total population that receives some form of assistance and 1.7% that receive most of their income (50% or more) from these programs. Programs like unemployment insurance or social security payments can technically be counted as "welfare" in some instances though they are differentiated from federal programs like TANF or food stamps
http://www.answers.com/Q/What_percentage_of_people_in_US_are_on_welfare
 

ElfoodStampo

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Whats funny is Ron Paul Gold mining stocks are kicking the shit out of him and his golden dreams
this crazy variation in the value of the dollar started after we depegged the dollar from the gold standard in the 70's, since then the debt has been rising exponentially and soon the dollar will have no purchasing power. You can still buy a gallon of gasoline with a dime, if its a pre-64 silver dime.
 

ChesusRice

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SO gold and Oil stay constant, the US dollar sways pretty far from the mean, and now is the inverse of the other two. my point is that for purchasing useful commodities gold and silver never loose their value the dollar however does.
If you sell your gold.
What do you get paid in? Lima beans?
 
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