From the MPP- Next states to legalize?
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TheMan13
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I believe those in the know expect a 2016 vote here in Michigan and that we'll become recreational. Have you heard any of the legal/governmental chatter of taxation going around, especially in those large cities as they move to decrim locally ahead of the game? I've got my eyes and ears out, but they will inform us only months before as they propose their ballot language.
I grow not only for my medicine, but the therapy gardening brings me as well. Socially, I grow growers. I see a threat to me personally that will be sold as security and control to the general population as they offer to "grant" decrim of > 1 oz in return. Sadly, recriminalizing growing to protect their licensed facilities will be the goal of most $
Prepare for the fight we'll never see coming and will likely be unable to fight/fund ...
I grow not only for my medicine, but the therapy gardening brings me as well. Socially, I grow growers. I see a threat to me personally that will be sold as security and control to the general population as they offer to "grant" decrim of > 1 oz in return. Sadly, recriminalizing growing to protect their licensed facilities will be the goal of most $
Prepare for the fight we'll never see coming and will likely be unable to fight/fund ...
941mick
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I dont know...Being around so many guys who are making a living from caregiving, I could see them using some of that bank roll to help preserve their income. It's about organizing those individuals though...If we don't come together we will indeed get steamrolled by big business interests. It comes down again to getting people to come out of the shadows and making their voices heard. I know that I work for a company that is more than willing to distribute such information if a group were to put it out there.I believe those in the know expect a 2016 vote here in Michigan and that we'll become recreational. Have you heard any of the legal/governmental chatter of taxation going around, especially in those large cities as they move to decrim locally ahead of the game? I've got my eyes and ears out, but they will inform us only months before as they propose their ballot language.
I grow not only for my medicine, but the therapy gardening brings me as well. Socially, I grow growers. I see a threat to me personally that will be sold as security and control to the general population as they offer to "grant" decrim of > 1 oz in return. Sadly, recriminalizing growing to protect the licensed facilities will be the goal of most $
TheMan13
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We have been witnessing this game north of our border all year. What if recreational had been on the table? The law as of April 1st recriminalized growing there, they're merely maintaining this "stay" through the sheer force of funding legal teams into years of delays. Would this be possible if they were fighting anyone other than the government with these few medicinal facilities supporting?
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941mick
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Isn't it very easy for their program to be changed though because it is not embedded with their constitution, and was more of a health care policy then anything else?
TheMan13
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Honestly I do not understand your question brother. Alcohol prohibition was the only federal Constitutional attempt of criminal prohibition I know of. The atrocity of organized crime that it created was a lesson learned the world over and will hopefully never occur again in civilized society.
That said, our Scheduled Controlled Substance laws are very similar to Canada's effective criminal prohibition. Our healthcare policy (DHHS) is tied our justice system (DOJ) through that law to effectively provide criminal prohibition. The only real difference is our standing Executive/Presidential order as to eradication policy as it relates to marijuana often referred to as the "War on Drug".
941mick
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Sorry slightly medicated. I was under the impression that our program is harder to make changes to because of the ballot initiative making it a constitutional amendment where as with Canada it is more of a statute.
TheMan13
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Nope, our law is federal (independent of state law) and simpler than that. AG asks HHS for study then AG removes MJ from the Scheduled Controlled Substance law. MJ would then be effectively decriminalized and begin regulation like alcohol and tobacco. MJ would by law then be removed from the President's "Drug War" and eradication efforts would cease allowing for unfettered hemp production by our farmers. Scientists and medicine would then be free to study and understand the plant and share the truth with the world. It's a happy story I hope to live to see
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941mick
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Right, I understand that on a federal level, but were a few year or two away from rescheduling. However pertaining to the state program that is dictating the current market here in MI, I don't see the legislature removing our right to grow our own medicine. Colorado didn't do so when they implemented their legal market, and even allowed every citizen 21+ to cultivate a few plants. I don't see any ballot language in MI deviating too much from the CO model, because it has shown to be very easy and profitable to implement.Nope, our law is federal (independent of state law) and simpler than that. AG asks HHS for study then AG removes MJ from the Scheduled Controlled Substance law. MJ would then be effectively decriminalized and begin regulation like alcohol and tobacco. MJ would by law then be removed from the President's "Drug War" and eradication efforts would cease allowing for unfettered hemp production by our farmers. It's a happy story I hope to live to see
I also do not fear big canabusiness, will I have to partner with 3-4 other growers to compete one day. maybe...HB4271 is actually a lot better than legal changes that have been implemented in other medical markets. Once again using CO ans an example their dispensary legislation dictated that a certain amount of cannabis had to be produced in house, taking away a lot of the market from microgrowers. However again correct me if i'm wrong their is no such language in HB4271. Yes it will pave the way for commercial medical operations, however if your providing a good service to your patients and producing a high quality product there is not much to fear.
TheMan13
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Yes, both Washington and Colorado grandfathered in their Medicinal laws allowing for the maintenance of tax safe citizen growers/patients at a state level. There I have seen the argument med over rec allows for tax evasion as they point to proof of their rising population of medicinal patients regardless of recreational availability, forget about all the "black market" conspiracy theories. I believe similar arguments were used in the recent change of Canadian law and is becoming more common at all tables making these considerations nationwide here. You'd be surprised at how the "black market" is being defined these days and how many "solutions" are out there brother
