STOP OVER FEEDING YOUR PLANTS AND LOOK AT THIS!

Mr moonshine.

Mr moonshine.

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ayr0n said:
I'm a terrible mediator - but I think the point forever & holyghost are trying to make is that if you start with a decent soil mix you won't have to go crazy with bottled nutes. The aren't saying that plants don't need to eat anything...
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I like this!!*(I can't like things right now
foreverflyhi said:
Obviously you dont understand nature. Im not going to argue with you, just help you out,
Look into books like teaming with microbes, or the permaculture handbook. Get too know how soil truly works. Not all about npks like most would argue.

And genetics haave diffrent characteristics ie height, maturity, color , taste, how does that play a Role? Maybe the plant hes showing us is smaller compared to the others you mention because its meant to stay slightly shorter.
(Assuming it hasnt vegged long)
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I'll check them out...thanks!!
 
ruby fruit

ruby fruit

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foreverflyhi said:
I agree with Holy Ghost. The soil web is very complex and does not need bottle nutes for a "better crop" imho bottle nutes are gimmicks for making money. Sure they work, but long term it will destroy the complex soil web, and become a addict to ferts.

In true organics, Soil does not get depleted, actually the opposite, good quality soil gets better in time. We as gardeners do however have a job to keep the soil alive(assuming you dont live in a jungle/forest). Good clean water, compost, worm castings, companion crops, aand enzymes to speed up the process of composting. Nothing wrong with inputs like chicken shit, kelp, dolmite, fish, etc etc, as long as they are sourced locally.

Cannabis is a special plant, but non the less, it is a plant with the same needs as other plants. For thousands of years indeginous cultures have mastered sustainability and max yield possible, this however seems to have been lost with mono culture chemical fed, and "organic" bottle nutes.

Although i know my claim is subjective, since ive become a rols gardener, my yield has almost doubled, and my quality is superior.


Beautiful plant btw!

Keep that soil alive!

Fuck bro science!
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Good response mate
 
ruby fruit

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ayr0n said:
I'm going to have to agree to an extent - but ofc you can push them to the limits, far beyond what would happen with just dirt and water, with some 'human intervention'.

I was thinking about this the other day - when you walk around outside and see plants it seems like 98% of them look perfectly healthy. Nice and green with very little issues besides maybe natural pests...then you come on a forum like RIU and see like 75% of the pictures they're all burnt to shit, or intense lockouts and deficiencies. Seems like trying TOO hard creates more issues than if you just let em do their thing...
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am definitely guilty at having used to think I could pump max ferts in and get monsters.....just gotta find the right balance I guess but when we were all young I think we thought a $10 bottle of seasol was gonna give us 50 zips
 
HolyGhost23

HolyGhost23

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Jsuk that plant is on Vancouver island.. the soils gets manure mixed in it every year.. and the soil around the area is pretty rich.. I'm mostly talking about bottle nutes.. unless your use soilless or doing some kind of hydroponics.. there is no need to add crap to good soil.. yeah I know if I added nutes.. probably 1/4 of what everyone on this site would recommend I'd get double.. but I didn't expect to get anything.. every marijuana plant I grow is strictly for experimental or hobby reasons.. I never actually try to push yield.. it usually seems to be better that way in the end
 
PoopBear

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foreverflyhi said:
Obviously you dont understand nature. Im not going to argue with you, just help you out,
Look into books like teaming with microbes, or the permaculture handbook. Get too know how soil truly works. Not all about npks like most would argue.

And genetics haave diffrent characteristics ie height, maturity, color , taste, how does that play a Role? Maybe the plant hes showing us is smaller compared to the others you mention because its meant to stay slightly shorter.
(Assuming it hasnt vegged long)

Edit: Read your last post and tottally agree, no offense to anything i said or u said.
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Bro you are not making the same argument as the OP. There is a huge difference between "just throwing your plant in some good old dirt" and growing organically by feeding the soil to become alive.

Getting good soil to come alive and keeping it that way is NOT cheap and is not hohum work. It takes time and money.

So to grow huge plants you must either feed the plant or feed the soil and neither is cheap.
 
Cannabidude

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PoopBear said:
Getting good soil to come alive and keeping it that way is NOT cheap and is not hohum work. It takes time and money.
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false. soil is already alive, in fact if it wasn't it would still be organic matter (leaves, peels etc) and not soil. Organic matter breaks down through microbes, insect, fungi etc. you just need to keep it that way. you don't need to spend a single dollar to do it, just don't waste shit, compost, worms, these things are free if you're not lazy. Once you have a little you can make a lot. :) keep it green brothers.
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foreverflyhi

foreverflyhi

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PoopBear said:
Bro you are not making the same argument as the OP. There is a huge difference between "just throwing your plant in some good old dirt" and growing organically by feeding the soil to become alive.

Getting good soil to come alive and keeping it that way is NOT cheap and is not hohum work. It takes time and money.

So to grow huge plants you must either feed the plant or feed the soil and neither is cheap.
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PoopBear said:
Bro you are not making the same argument as the OP. There is a huge difference between "just throwing your plant in some good old dirt" and growing organically by feeding the soil to become alive.

Getting good soil to come alive and keeping it that way is NOT cheap and is not hohum work. It takes time and money.

So to grow huge plants you must either feed the plant or feed the soil and neither is cheap.
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Eh i think im on the same side as the op.

And yea sure what u said has some truth,

But seriously? Money to keep soil alive? FALSE

And as a matter of fact, its pretty damn easy to keep it alive, only hard part imo is mixing the soil (assuming your starting fresh) turning the compost, and harvesting worm castings, which btw are all free.

To further the point of organics being next to free, BIM (beneficial indigenous micro-organisms) these are microbes and fungi and sugars and enzymes that you can source locally, next to free to keep your soil alive.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/beneficial-indigenous-micro-organisms-or-bim.762400/


Lol ever wonder how indigenous agriculture sustain themselves for thousands of years, with out globalization and hydroponic stores? Mystery isnt it?
 
PoopBear

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Cannabidude said:
false. soil is already alive, in fact if it wasn't it would still be organic matter (leaves, peels etc) and not soil. Organic matter breaks down through microbes, insect, fungi etc. you just need to keep it that way. you don't need to spend a single dollar to do it, just don't waste shit, compost, worms, these things are free if you're not lazy. Once you have a little you can make a lot. :) keep it green brothers.
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Not that I disagree with you but 99% of the people on this RIU probably don't live on a freaking farm. Anyways my point is that the OP was way to vague and not doing any newbs a favor by blasting store bought nutrients without offering up some good microbe/enzyme teachings.

I'd be pissed off if any of my plants looked as weak and tender as the OP's plant. It's a weak ass plant. Plenty of organic farmers could have started this thread and done it justice but in this thread i give it a FAIL.
 
foreverflyhi

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PoopBear said:
Not that I disagree with you but 99% of the people on this RIU probably don't live on a freaking farm. Anyways my point is that the OP was way to vague and not doing any newbs a favor by blasting store bought nutrients without offering up some good microbe/enzyme teachings.

I'd be pissed off if any of my plants looked as weak and tender as the OP's plant. It's a weak ass plant. Plenty of organic farmers could have started this thread and done it justice but in this thread i give it a FAIL.
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Your just trolling now,
Why bash on the ops plant? What looks wrong with it? I just looked at it agian and it looks good, can you see something i cant? You see spider mites? Deficiency? Is it too small for you?

I agree with you about teaching beginners, but not with bull shit lies.

Btw i dont live on a farm and i still accomplish a indoor/outdoor permaculture garden. Also op said good ol dirt with old fasion gardening, so yes he gave a starting point to how to accomplish a healthy organic garden, its up to the beginner or anyone to look into what makes good old dirt and basic old fashion gardening which i posted earlier (BIM)
 
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PoopBear

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Fun game here and I totally am down with organic growing. So yeah a healthy plant can be grown organically for pretty cheap but for more serious organic gardeners growing HUGE plants like the OP stated lets do a price check.

Baseline
Humus
Azos
Kelp
Soil
Teas
Mycorrhizae
Guano
Water
Ect.?
 
PoopBear

PoopBear

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foreverflyhi said:
Your just trolling now,
Why bash on the ops plant? What looks wrong with it? I just looked at it agian and it looks good, can you see something i cant? You see spider mites? Deficiency? Is it too small for you?

I agree with you about teaching beginners, but not with bull shit lies.

Btw i dont live on a farm and i still accomplish a indoor/outdoor permaculture garden.
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No I'm not. The OP first put his title in all caps so he's yelling at the whole world, annoying. Second he say's "fucking wrong" which is just plain rude and especially given the plant he uses to make his point. His plant is fine but it's not HUGE and it's not as BIG as the statement he's making deserves.
 
ayr0n

ayr0n

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PoopBear said:
No I'm not. The OP first put his title in all caps so he's yelling at the whole world, annoying. Second he say's "fucking wrong" which is just plain rude and especially given the plant he uses to make his point. His plant is fine but it's not HUGE and it's not as BIG as the statement he's making deserves.
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1. "Poopbear"
2. Op plant vs. Your d/p
Nuff said.





Jk.
 
HolyGhost23

HolyGhost23

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To poop bear .. more like troll bear...your just mad bro.. cause you wasted money and got fooled by sales jerks...you don't need money to grow good weed.. yeah my plant isn't the most bomb.. but what have you got?.. and not big.. its over 6 feet now...so stfu.. unless you have actual proof of the crap coming out of your keyboard
 
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