STOP OVER FEEDING YOUR PLANTS AND LOOK AT THIS!

PoopBear

PoopBear

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JMO but that's not a huge plant. A well taken care of plant, yes. Nutes don't have to be super expensive either. Pretty much you will get out of a plant what you put into it. $15 of nutes and that plant could have been triple the size. Nice plant none the less.
 
Mr moonshine.

Mr moonshine.

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HolyGhost23 said:
im always hearing about how marijuana needs expensive nutes to get huge.. FUCKING WRONG.. just a little good dirt and old fashioned gardening..

this plant right here was a bag seed that decided to toss in along some pepper plants i have growing.. have not touched it other than water.....
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If you want to add everything to the dirt you might not have to feed your plant!!. U just have really good dirt!!
 
ruby fruit

ruby fruit

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:wall:If you add better stuff to your dirt then you will have a bigger and better plant.Plant looks nice n healthy dont get me wrong I wouldnt complain if that was mine.....but the space between nodes etc is quite big so I reckon with added ferts the yield would double.....thats the difference....plus whats expensive when half the MJ growers make money of these plants for some its a lehal employment and if I could spend $500 to grow 10 nice plants with added nutes n ferts to double the yield its a no brainer.......im not one to disagree with you but water vs some sort of fert coming into flower makes the difference in weight.....or am I talking shit ?
 
tip top toker

tip top toker

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Just because you're not giving the nutes actively, doesn't mean they're not getting them.. Try growing a plant to that size indoors with some regular potting soil and no nutes..
 
ruby fruit

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I do agree with fresno tho in regards to shit (yes poop fresno lol) I have seen quite a successful grow and lovely tasting bud that only had worm castings added to nice clean soil and water to feed.
 
foreverflyhi

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I agree with Holy Ghost. The soil web is very complex and does not need bottle nutes for a "better crop" imho bottle nutes are gimmicks for making money. Sure they work, but long term it will destroy the complex soil web, and become a addict to ferts.

In true organics, Soil does not get depleted, actually the opposite, good quality soil gets better in time. We as gardeners do however have a job to keep the soil alive(assuming you dont live in a jungle/forest). Good clean water, compost, worm castings, companion crops, aand enzymes to speed up the process of composting. Nothing wrong with inputs like chicken shit, kelp, dolmite, fish, etc etc, as long as they are sourced locally.

Cannabis is a special plant, but non the less, it is a plant with the same needs as other plants. For thousands of years indeginous cultures have mastered sustainability and max yield possible, this however seems to have been lost with mono culture chemical fed, and "organic" bottle nutes.

Although i know my claim is subjective, since ive become a rols gardener, my yield has almost doubled, and my quality is superior.


Beautiful plant btw!

Keep that soil alive!

Fuck bro science!
 
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ayr0n

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I'm going to have to agree to an extent - but ofc you can push them to the limits, far beyond what would happen with just dirt and water, with some 'human intervention'.

I was thinking about this the other day - when you walk around outside and see plants it seems like 98% of them look perfectly healthy. Nice and green with very little issues besides maybe natural pests...then you come on a forum like RIU and see like 75% of the pictures they're all burnt to shit, or intense lockouts and deficiencies. Seems like trying TOO hard creates more issues than if you just let em do their thing...
 
Mr moonshine.

Mr moonshine.

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The best growers on this site use nutes...If your growing 10 pounders you can't rely on The dirt alone...your plant looks good but garden bosses looks better... jjs look better ...shit in there gardens your plant would probably be a branch they cut off.. u had enough in that dirt but is there enough left will it be starving during flower? U gotta ask yourself these things... plant problems is not that big of a deal I feel great when I'm able to correct them...it brings me even closer to the plant after all I am all it has..
 
foreverflyhi

foreverflyhi

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Mr moonshine. said:
The best growers on this site use nutes...If your growing 10 pounders you can't rely on The dirt alone...your plant looks good but garden bosses looks better... jjs look better ...shit in there gardens your plant would probably be a branch they cut off.. u had enough in that dirt but is there enough left will it be starving during flower? U gotta ask yourself these things... plant problems is not that big of a deal I feel great when I'm able to correct them...it brings me even closer to the plant after all I am all it has..
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False.

First off you dont know the genetics nor how long it has been vegging, and you dont know what part of the world he lives in, so its unfair to make a statement like yours.

And 2nd, if you truly think soil cant produce "10 pounders" then there truly is no hope for sustainability because growers like you are poisoning the earth with bottled boo boo with no scientific backing. No offense to other who choose to, but in defence of true organics, it should be called out.

Lol "cant rely on the dirt alone"

How about rely on the dirt and let the genetics and enviroment do the rest!
 
MightyMike530

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Yes, this plant looks nice and yes you can achieve quite a bit with very little, but you also get what you put into it and if your soil cant meet the needs of the plant then to get the most out of it you must supplement. Of course, a lot of people get taken in my opinion buying overpriced nutes, but better plants are grown with nutes.
 
Mr moonshine.

Mr moonshine.

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foreverflyhi said:
False.

First off you dont know the genetics nor how long it has been vegging, and you dont know what part of the world he lives in, so its unfair to make a statement like yours.

And 2nd, if you truly think soil cant produce "10 pounders" then there truly is no hope for sustainability because growers like you are poisoning the earth with bottled boo boo with no scientific backing. No offense to other who choose to, but in defence of true organics, it should be called out.

Lol "cant rely on the dirt alone"
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Lol your an idiot..unless you amend and keep your soil alive you can't expect to have everything your plant needs....I'm not saying you can't condition or prepare your soil for the long run I'm just saying don't randomly walk outside dig a hole and assume just cuz it vegged OK that it's going to have everything you need for flower to......organic gardeners add teas and organic matter to the dirt...it's not just in there with an endless supply..If it was everyone would just put plants in the ground and grow 10 pounders!!
 
Mr moonshine.

Mr moonshine.

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foreverflyhi said:
False.

First off you dont know the genetics nor how long it has been vegging, and you dont know what part of the world he lives in, so its unfair to make a statement like yours.

And 2nd, if you truly think soil cant produce "10 pounders" then there truly is no hope for sustainability because growers like you are poisoning the earth with bottled boo boo with no scientific backing. No offense to other who choose to, but in defence of true organics, it should be called out.

Lol "cant rely on the dirt alone"

How about rely on the dirt and let the genetics and enviroment do the rest!
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I have one question what does the genetics have to do with the fact that no one knows how much food is in the soil it doesn't matter what strain it is every living plant needs food...I agree if you are in certain places in the world the soil can definitely be richer! but again what does that have to do with potash. Calcium. Magnesium. Sulfur ,boron, copper, iron zink, beneficial microbes? Imo digging a hole and dropping a plant isn't true organics. ..it's just being lazy and hoping that it works!!
 
foreverflyhi

foreverflyhi

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Mr moonshine. said:
Lol your an idiot..unless you amend and keep your soil alive you can't expect to have everything your plant needs....I'm not saying you can't condition or prepare your soil for the long run I'm just saying don't randomly walk outside dig a hole and assume just cuz it vegged OK that it's going to have everything you need for flower to......organic gardeners add teas and organic matter to the dirt...it's not just in there with an endless supply..If it was everyone would just put plants in the ground and grow 10 pounders!!
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If you re read the ops post he said "good old dirt and old fasion gardening" so becausse he said that we can assume he is amending the soil and maybe using organic teas. He NEVER said put a plant at a random spot to grow 10lbs.
No shit you cant due that, most soil is destroyed by ppl and especially urban area where metals are heavy due to construction and ither chemicals.

Get your shit straight, and watch the name calling, lol hurt my feelings
 
ayr0n

ayr0n

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Mr moonshine. said:
I have one question what does the genetics have to do with the fact that no one knows how much food is in the soil it doesn't matter what strain it is every living plant needs food...I agree if you are in certain places in the world the soil can definitely be richer! but again what does that have to do with potash. Calcium. Magnesium. Sulfur ,boron, copper, iron zink, beneficial microbes? Imo digging a hole and dropping a plant isn't true organics. ..it's just being lazy and hoping that it works!!
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foreverflyhi said:
If you re read the ops post he said "good old dirt and old fasion gardening" so becausse he said that we can assume he is amending the soil and maybe using organic teas. He NEVER said put a plant at a random spot to grow 10lbs.
No shit you cant due that, most soil is destroyed by ppl and especially urban area where metals are heavy due to construction and ither chemicals.

Get your shit straight, and watch the name calling, lol hurt my feelings
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I'm a terrible mediator - but I think the point forever & holyghost are trying to make is that if you start with a decent soil mix you won't have to go crazy with bottled nutes. The aren't saying that plants don't need to eat anything...
 
Mr moonshine.

Mr moonshine.

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foreverflyhi said:
If you re read the ops post he said "good old dirt and old fasion gardening" so becausse he said that we can assume he is amending the soil and maybe using organic teas. He NEVER said put a plant at a random spot to grow 10lbs.
No shit you cant due that, most soil is destroyed by ppl and especially urban area where metals are heavy due to construction and ither chemicals.

Get your shit straight, and watch the name calling, lol hurt my feelings
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Lol I see we are on the same subject just on different pages I agree with what your saying I believe organic farming can produce just as good if not better results. ..we agree with each other I thought he just dug a hole and bought an organic bag of dirt.. With the size of the plant I can see its not getting pushed food wise at all. I know this man that grows 12 foot monsters. And only gets about a pound.lol they use everything in the dirt during veg when it's time to bud they sputter out!.compost teas are an organic farmers best friend!!
 
foreverflyhi

foreverflyhi

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Mr moonshine. said:
I have one question what does the genetics have to do with the fact that no one knows how much food is in the soil it doesn't matter what strain it is every living plant needs food...I agree if you are in certain places in the world the soil can definitely be richer! but again what does that have to do with potash. Calcium. Magnesium. Sulfur ,boron, copper, iron zink, beneficial microbes? Imo digging a hole and dropping a plant isn't true organics. ..it's just being lazy and hoping that it works!!
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Obviously you dont understand nature. Im not going to argue with you, just help you out,
Look into books like teaming with microbes, or the permaculture handbook. Get too know how soil truly works. Not all about npks like most would argue.

And genetics haave diffrent characteristics ie height, maturity, color , taste, how does that play a Role? Maybe the plant hes showing us is smaller compared to the others you mention because its meant to stay slightly shorter.
(Assuming it hasnt vegged long)

Edit: Read your last post and tottally agree, no offense to anything i said or u said.
 
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