Greengenes707
Well-Known Member
Their use chips that are 300lm@700ma. That is the best I can get out of them. I know that doesn't actually mean anything, but I believe them because I see the results.missed this^^^.................So, who said it again that they where probably using mid-bin nichia's????Supra?? someone buy him a beer
NASA don't like math...............oh wait
Yeah I guess.................just a little shocked at the wattage draw for the current fixture, progress for me means efficiency gains NOT increasing the power draw....IDK
Follow me through this general train of thought...
Photons translate to biomass. Spectrum dictates how that biomass will be distributed/formed, but long story short, more light(photons) translate to more buds(rhetorical, I know)
HPS is roughly 36% efficient(brand new) at producing photons. The LED's that are in panels like AT and a51 are say 38-40%. And when when we get into top bin cxa's are in the <43% range at the currents most are using them....
So at best on paper, led's are only producing maybe 10% more photons/watt. So 900w:1000w. Doesn't seem very cool when looking this way.
Now start to factor in directionality of the source, lenses, , and then spectral efficiencies last. and maybe we are at 600w worth of led's can get the the same/more/enough photons to the canopy as a 1000hps.
I do think that a improved design could get the at600 down closer to 600w even. But hey, it's not my company...I just like what they do more than anyone else. But I have just started to dabble in DIY, so AT watch out...hahah.
Thanks chaz.Okay I give up. That statement has me flummoxed. What does that mean? If you could give me ten minutes and my head will be in the right place.
To some extent that would be true but with GG matching the HPS with the lower wattage version I would imagine the higher wattage production version is designed to surpass the thouie. Just a guess though.
Haha...I don't really know what that was supposed to say...I think "1000w replacing" or "actually replacing"....something along those lines. Sometime auto correct helps...other times it's no where close...And most of the time I am high enough that things like that get missed either way.
They use top performing everything. People will always try and pick at something. Apache thanks they have something and telling everything will get hem totally copied...in reality it's just not worth the $$$ for other companies to copy, but AT has a mind of their own.always a possibility but would hurt their rep IMO
maybe its naivety but have always from the conversations on here held the view that Apache and their stuff were just that next step up in LED
Results speak louder than anything and my AT's speak pretty loud . Only a matter of time before we regally see at600 pumping out poundage in a bunch of people's gardens.