USMC_PotOphile
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Can someone give me a clue here, please? Is my baby girl now a adolescent male? What actually causes this change?
Kinda bummed here.... I think she changed on me.
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Spittn4cash
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if you never saw white hairs then she never was a she at all...that looks like balls to me..but I dont see any white hairs
beenthere donethat
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Um....she's lookin like a guy to me at this point.
It's hormones dude. Plain and simple. Shit like this is why you definitely need to learn to clone. Nothing like growin'/havin' a good clone er two around to keep things going....then if you wanna play around with seeds/new offerings you can do so without fuggin' up the stash levels and with only one worry...
not seeding all of your clones!
good luck
bt dt
It's hormones dude. Plain and simple. Shit like this is why you definitely need to learn to clone. Nothing like growin'/havin' a good clone er two around to keep things going....then if you wanna play around with seeds/new offerings you can do so without fuggin' up the stash levels and with only one worry...
not seeding all of your clones!
good luck
bt dt
Spittn4cash
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yeah its a boy, but a plants sex is actually as genetic as a humans sex..and while stress sometimes makes one human turn the opposite sex, its usually predestined from birth..lol, its the same with plants, their sex is what it is from seed to smoke, never changes...and even if he did clone, the clones would all be male as well.
But like I said, since U never saw any white hairs, she was never a she to begin with.
babygro
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It's impossible to tell from that picture whether it's male or female - give it more time to be sure. It does 'look' male but it's impossible to be 100% sure, the calls yours.
VictorVIcious
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I agree with babygro on this one, still your call. VV
babygro
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This is just rubbish pure and simple and completely wrong.
When a seed is formed its sex can be either genetic male, female or hermaphrodite, depending on it's parents. When the seed germinates its sex can be either genetic male, female or hermaphrodite, but regardless of what sex it STARTS out as, that plant can reverse its sex either partially or fully at any time from germination to senescence depending on it's environmental surroundings.
pauliojr
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Are you in flowering yet and how long if you are? Looking at the picture there is nothing to worry about yet. Keep an eye on it and all should be good. It can take up to 3 weeks in flowering to determine sex! Mine just took 2.5 weeks. Glad I didn't chuck her. Males usually determine sex first, so just hold out for a little longer. Good luck!
beenthere donethat
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<<<and even if he did clone, the clones would all be male as well>>>
yeah spittin'..I know that. I was reiterating /backing up a comment I made to USMC in another thread about the time wasted/space wasted growing from seeds rather than isolating a female and taking cuts.
This isn't the only plant he/they have going...and I am just suggesting that they investigate cloning and get on with it rather than wondering if 1/2 of their crop has gone male on each grow in the future.
good luck
bt dt
yeah spittin'..I know that. I was reiterating /backing up a comment I made to USMC in another thread about the time wasted/space wasted growing from seeds rather than isolating a female and taking cuts.
This isn't the only plant he/they have going...and I am just suggesting that they investigate cloning and get on with it rather than wondering if 1/2 of their crop has gone male on each grow in the future.
good luck
bt dt
babygro
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Not everyone has the space, resources, environment or opportunity to keep mother plants and take clones from them - some people have to grow from seed - they have no choice. To suggest you 'learn how to clone' to get around the problem of determining sex is just nonsense for several reasons - 1) Because not everyone can grow from clone and 2) Mothers lose vigour and health when kept over long periods of time which is why it's best to start a new mother from seed every couple of years or so. 3) If you want to start a new strain usually you'll have to start it from seed.
videoman40
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While it is true, not everyone may have the space for a mother plant......keeping a mother to guarantee females is anything but nonsense, in fact it is a common reason to use a mother. You pick a mother because it has the traits that you want to keep, the main benefit of doing this is all FEMALES. Not having to waste time or energy on a male is a defenite benefit.
It is hardly a time saver, what do you gain, maybe 2 weeks, at best.
Peace
It is hardly a time saver, what do you gain, maybe 2 weeks, at best.
Peace
beenthere donethat
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<<<1) Because not everyone can grow from clone and 2) Mothers lose vigour and health when kept over long periods of time which is why it's best to start a new mother from seed every couple of years or so. 3) If you want to start a new strain usually you'll have to start it from seed.>>
I disagree on many points here...
(1) Wrong. Anyone with a brain and the ability to read can easily clone this plant with minimal space and minimal equipment.
(2) Wrong. You can clone from now until doomsday from the same clone line (rejuvenating the mom OR better yet..taking cuts from each plant you have from each veg cycle rather than keeping *moms*) and not lose a damn thing. I grew the SAME clone line (one strain) for 12 years and it was as good the last crop as it was the first...and I got it as a clone myself that had been going for years prior to my growin it.
(3) "Usually" is the keyword in your statement here. New strains can be intro'd to the garden via new seed starts...or they can arrive via clones from others. I've gone both ways over my 15+ years..but mostly go for a good clone from someone who I've sampled the bud and KNOW what I'll be growing than hopin I find a true keeper in a pack of seed...especially these days.
to each their own though...and that is the beauty of this game. (other than not having to buy smoke)
good luck
bt dt
I disagree on many points here...
(1) Wrong. Anyone with a brain and the ability to read can easily clone this plant with minimal space and minimal equipment.
(2) Wrong. You can clone from now until doomsday from the same clone line (rejuvenating the mom OR better yet..taking cuts from each plant you have from each veg cycle rather than keeping *moms*) and not lose a damn thing. I grew the SAME clone line (one strain) for 12 years and it was as good the last crop as it was the first...and I got it as a clone myself that had been going for years prior to my growin it.
(3) "Usually" is the keyword in your statement here. New strains can be intro'd to the garden via new seed starts...or they can arrive via clones from others. I've gone both ways over my 15+ years..but mostly go for a good clone from someone who I've sampled the bud and KNOW what I'll be growing than hopin I find a true keeper in a pack of seed...especially these days.
to each their own though...and that is the beauty of this game. (other than not having to buy smoke)
good luck
bt dt
babygro
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I never stated it was nonsense to keep a 'mother plant' I said it was 'nonsense' to learn how to clone from mother plants because it avoids sexing problems because not everyone has the opportunity to keep mother plants!
Sure if you have the resources to keep a mother, then go for it, it does make life a lot easier, but to suggest you do so simply to get around sexing problems is nonsense because as I keep saying over and over again - not everyone has the opportunity to keep a mother plant!
You should learn how to sex plants regardless of whether you grow from seed or clone and getting male plants from seed is part and parcel of growing Cannabis.
beenthere donethat
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Agreed..everyone should have the basic knowledge of how to sex a plant. However, failing to further that knowledge and returning to seed is highly unpredictable unless you are dealing with something like F3's or above or a project involving BX's.
In the end it all depends on what you purpose of growing is. If you want to grow a variety...changing from grow to grow, seeds (or a good clone bank) are the way to go. However, if you want to keep a constant and predictable cycle and yield going, it is very hard to do from seed from my experience and very easy to do from clones from my experience. (even with multiple strains at once)
again, to each their own. I just prefer to do the sexing thing every-so-often and like to grow buds rather than balls in my rooms.
good luck
bt dt
In the end it all depends on what you purpose of growing is. If you want to grow a variety...changing from grow to grow, seeds (or a good clone bank) are the way to go. However, if you want to keep a constant and predictable cycle and yield going, it is very hard to do from seed from my experience and very easy to do from clones from my experience. (even with multiple strains at once)
again, to each their own. I just prefer to do the sexing thing every-so-often and like to grow buds rather than balls in my rooms.
good luck
bt dt
babygro
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Just because you've mis-interpreted something I've said doesn't make it wrong. If you don't have a 'clone mother' you can't clone from it can you? I never stated that cloning was so hard that few people could learn how to do it.
Just because you happen to disagree with something I'm afraid doesn't make it wrong.
Rejuvenating plants and cloning from them or keeping them as 'mothers' is a bad idea. Plants forced to switch from flowering growth to vegetative growth stresses and confuses them, it reduces their genetic integrity, reduces potency and produces unhealthy clones. I was reading an interesting thread on another site recently where there was a discussion about the 'cheese' plant potency going down. No wonder really when you consider this plant can only be passed around by clone, because it doesn't exist in seed form. The potency and vigour of the 'original cheese' is clearly diminishing, probably because of its continual propagation via clone form only.
Glad to hear you've had some success with your clones, but I bet you didn't keep the same clone mum for 12 years.
Then you're lucky you have access to some good clone stock - the vast majority of growers do not and have to start from seed if they want to grow out a new strain - and that's my point - not everyone has access to clones in the way you do and to suggest to someone else that they follow the route you follow may not be appropriate.
USMC_PotOphile
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Exactly right baby, we only have 100 sq ft to work with. And with what we have to do to section it off for different cycles to all grow at once we lose a good amount that space. For right now we're good, this is our first grow, and we are still learning. But for our next cycle we're starting sedlings, and then the next is clones
beenthere donethat
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babygro...
I kept moms for awhile but it does take a lot of space and they tend to get large.
What I've done for most of my grows is to take clones from each plant in the veg cycle...root em...and then throw the plants i took the cuts from into 12/12 when the clkones are well established. When the clones are big enough and I need more cuts I simply repeat the process.
So NO..I didn't keep the same clone MOM for 12 years. However, it WAS the SAME strain and the cuts used for those 12 years were derived from that one plant with no new influx of genetics along the way.
the reason folks don't have access to clones is because...like in this instance...they simply fail to take em (and in turn, to offer em to others).
You can't pass around somethin' you don't have.
Right on, USMC. Sorry to trash up yer thread...just tryin to save you a few YEARS time here and diffuse some info that may cause you a bit of lost time in the future.
good luck
bt dt
I kept moms for awhile but it does take a lot of space and they tend to get large.
What I've done for most of my grows is to take clones from each plant in the veg cycle...root em...and then throw the plants i took the cuts from into 12/12 when the clkones are well established. When the clones are big enough and I need more cuts I simply repeat the process.
So NO..I didn't keep the same clone MOM for 12 years. However, it WAS the SAME strain and the cuts used for those 12 years were derived from that one plant with no new influx of genetics along the way.
the reason folks don't have access to clones is because...like in this instance...they simply fail to take em (and in turn, to offer em to others).
You can't pass around somethin' you don't have.
Right on, USMC. Sorry to trash up yer thread...just tryin to save you a few YEARS time here and diffuse some info that may cause you a bit of lost time in the future.
good luck
bt dt
USMC_PotOphile
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It's cool man. I want to hear everyones opinion about everything. It's the only way you can truly approach this project with an open mind. And I know that I will never ask all the right questions to get all the answers I'm looking for. So you and Babygro destroy new guy threads like this often?
babygro
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That's what I did, the two clones I took are currently in flowering and I was hoping to keep one as a mother but realised fairly early on that I simply didn't have the space or resources at this current time to keep and maintain it - so I put it into flowering.
This simply reinforces my earlier point - keeping clone 'mothers' OR rooting out and vegging clones is not that easy for everyone.
And that also reinforces my earlier point - that clone mothers kept for a couple of years can lose health, vigour and potency over time which is why it's best to start from fresh genetics every couple of years. Taking a clone from a clone is fine as long as the plant the clone comes from is healthy and vigourous.
No, the reason many people don't have clones is because they simply do not have the resources, environment, space and facility to take clones from a female plant before it goes into flowering and root and veg it. This requires TWO plant growing areas - one for the flowering of the mature females the clones come from and one to root and veg the clones.
It's nothing to do with having the foresight to take them. I took 2 clones each from all three of my recent plants and only one of them turned out female, so I rooted out and vegged the two female clones in a temporary space until I was forced to put them into the flowering room because I simply could not control the temperatures adequately in the temporary space I'd put together. I keep saying the same thing over and over - you need additional resources to work with clones and many people simply do not have them.
I think we need to simply agree to disagree on this.