LED LIGHTS THE ACTUAL TRUTH!

mud1m

mud1m

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Bottom line is. We all like to medicate. And good medicine can be grown great with both LED and whatever else yall use... lets not argue over the little things and lets get high :bigjoint:
 
stardustsailor

stardustsailor

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PSUAGRO. said:
I'll take that ^^ bet;-) .........don't forget Hans has been growing cannabis with leds longer than any of us by years. He built his panels to be one of the most efficient per watt consumed. most of the burden fell on the cree XP-e 630 nm, which by todays standards its still one if the best umol/joule.

NOTHING on the market can cover a 4x4 flower area with 260watts for a thousand dollars shipped.
Dutch grower got 365 grams dry with that setup......I know of zero 250w hps grows getting those #s without a light mover.

their is a reason why he won't use a primarily"white"spectrum, he still does allot of R&D btw.......

Growers want Results not theories......that's why people love hid.
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I know at least one grow of ~280 W(<= only @ last weeks ,230 W average ) of crappy leds ,that got ~ 390 grms .
Yes,it's Astirs I'm talking about ...
And it';s mainly crappy whites we're talking about ...
I also know of zero 250w hps grows getting those grms ....

I would like to know that 'mysterious' reason ,of Han's not using whites ...
Is it ,because -up till now- whites always been less efficient (electrically ) than whites ?
That's not R&D for plant biology ...That is R&D for Led efficiency ...
( I've seen his 'trials' and I'm already aware(more or less ) about his "plant biology " knowledge/experience/experties level...
Please ,allow me to make no comments,about that . )

( Most ) growers probably want an expert around their grows 24/24 ,7/7 ,30/30 ,to grow their weed for 'em ...

What man has made it always started from somewhere ...
Usually that place is the human mind ...
Thus ,everything man-made , had a starting point ,an idea ,a thought ,a theory ...
Whether growers like it ,or not ...

As for the results ...
Here in Hellas ,we have an ancient saying :
" Plus the aid of Athena ,move your hands " ...
No matter if Gods help us ,we got to act ourself also ,to make it happen ....

No matter if the led grow light is awesome or not ...A grower has to do,what a grower has to do ,in order
to see some results ...Leds do not grow pounds ...Growers do,with the aid of right equip.

Anyway ..
Peace brother ....

 
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churchhaze

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You act like these people knew any better. Without them having experimented, it would still be a mystery.

Geeze, there was a time a lot of people were insisting that pulsing leds at some perfect frequency would somehow synchronize photosynthesis. The idea was that you provide quick pulses of light, chlorophyll won't waste time on the new photon until done processing the old.

stardustsailor said:
A handfull of boasting 'We-know-everything-Period' 'scientists' ,made (almost) the whole world believe ,
that all the light plants need is just red and blue ...
And they can 'thrive' under that .
BS
...
Purple,my @$$....
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stardustsailor

stardustsailor

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churchhaze said:
You act like these people knew any better. Without them having experimented, it would still be a mystery.

Geeze, there was a time a lot of people were insisting that pulsing leds at some perfect frequency would somehow synchronize photosynthesis. The idea was that you provide quick pulses of light, chlorophyll won't waste time on the new photon until done processing the old.
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Never said that they are worthless or anything like that ...
Neither that ,they did not discover anything..

Alchemists ,in their quest to discover the philosopher's stone ( Occultum lapidem ),
that would turn lead into gold,they actually did discover/invent lots of other things ...

I was just referring to a certain 'part' of 'scientists' ,which they never allow any doubts about their theories .
Ok, they do actually work .
But It does not mean that they are the best or the only right ones..
Or that there's no room for development,evolution,re-discoveries,etc ....

Anyway ....
It is known ,that sunlight ain't purple ...
Sunlight is white ...
Plants evolved,keep evolving , thrived and still thriving under (white) sunlight ...
They didn't know that ?
So simple ...
 
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churchhaze

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I still want to see an LPS grow with 660nm supplementing!

I bet that would be the best ever... but you try it first!! lol

stardustsailor said:
Never said that they are worthless or anything like that ...
Neither that ,they did not discover anything..

Alchemists ,in their quest to discover the philosopher's stone ( Occultum lapidem ),
that would turn lead into gold,they actually did discover/invent lots of other things ...

I was just referring to a certain 'part' of 'scientists' ,which they never allow any doubts about their theories .
Ok, they do actually work .
But It does not mean that they are the best or the only right ones..
Or that there's no room for development,evolution,re-discoveries,etc ....

Anyway ....
It is known ,that sunlight ain't purple ...
Sunlight is white ...
Plants evolved,keep evolving , thrived and still thriving under (white) sunlight ...
They didn't know that ?
So simple ...
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FranJan

FranJan

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But white LEDs aren't sunlight or white FDF. And Han uses whites in his 80s. And Puffenuff has grown beautiful plants with just R+B. Once again FDF you only see what you want. Too bad for you :(.
 
gk skunky

gk skunky

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Well that was a nice passive aggressive way of putting it out there. LOL

So anyways... has anyone asked AT what bins they use? If they are willing to give that info and you know the supposed bin you could then confirm that right?
 
PetFlora

PetFlora

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I see the claws have come out.

Need to check whether Mercury is in retrograde

Back to the OP,

Possible game changer

Light scattering nano-particles imitates Day Light LED, but is it a game changer for us?

http://www.electronicproducts.com/O...g_nanoparticles_to_imitate _real_sunlight.aspx

Supra has grown some wicked nuggs using only 3000K Cree, which s WHITE, though reddish white

Seeing my new BML 3ft bars, I did not understand that the BML Custom template simply multiples by the 12" length, when I chose my spectrums. So now I have 6 @ 450 scattered across 3ft of mostly 3000/2700 (and more 660 than I thought).

However, the leafs below the canopy are reaching up,

Looks like a few 450s (and 660s- though they can't hurt) could be a good thing, though not the purist position I was shooting for

New pics in my thread.
 
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Jbone77

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hyroot said:
I love how you make up so called claims. Not one person on here has ever said a 250w led equals a 1000w. Everyone has said 500-600w or 600-700 watts of led equal a 1000w. Now with that said. People should be pulling 2 lbs under 600w of led or a 1000w of hps. Or 1 pound with 310w of led or 600w of hps with high yielding strains and optimal environment of course. The cola captain showed ^^^^ came from just under a half pound yield from 190w of home depot Cree leds
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the OP said it, he said 50 led watts is equal to 200 hid watts, so using his logic wouldnt that make 250 led watts equal to 1000 hid watts or is my math that bad?
 
PSUAGRO.

PSUAGRO.

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stardustsailor said:
I know at least one grow of ~280 W(<= only @ last weeks ,230 W average ) of crappy leds ,that got ~ 390 grms .
Yes,it's Astirs I'm talking about ...
And it';s mainly crappy whites we're talking about ...
I also know of zero 250w hps grows getting those grms ....

I would like to know that 'mysterious' reason ,of Han's not using whites ...
Is it ,because -up till now- whites always been less efficient (electrically ) than whites ?
That's not R&D for plant biology ...That is R&D for Led efficiency ...
( I've seen his 'trials' and I'm already aware(more or less ) about his "plant biology " knowledge/experience/experties level...
Please ,allow me to make no comments,about that . )

( Most ) growers probably want an expert around their grows 24/24 ,7/7 ,30/30 ,to grow their weed for 'em ...

What man has made it always started from somewhere ...
Usually that place is the human mind ...
Thus ,everything man-made , had a starting point ,an idea ,a thought ,a theory ...
Whether growers like it ,or not ...

As for the results ...
Here in Hellas ,we have an ancient saying :
" Plus the aid of Athena ,move your hands " ...
No matter if Gods help us ,we got to act ourself also ,to make it happen ....

No matter if the led grow light is awesome or not ...A grower has to do,what a grower has to do ,in order
to see some results ...Leds do not grow pounds ...Growers do,with the aid of right equip.

Anyway ..
Peace brother ....

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First of all we need to calm down in here!!!...........we're ALL growing cannabis for christ sakes! let's smoke some and relax.

I'm aware of Ganja2 's grows(astir) and they where awesome but NO one replicated them. We need multiple growers to have the same results before claiming it's abilities. Hans panels have been very successful because many grows/growers have shown it's effectiveness. He's stuck with a certain MCPCB board design which limits his diode selection ATM(and that space is valuable to him/ so pick wisely!). That may change or not, don't think will see cobs anytime soon:)

And this goes for every new light tech, that's why HID is recommended for most===== PROVEN to work well.

We still can't dismiss monochromatic leds IMO yet. Is ALL warm white/high cri the future?? maybe, but I'm gonna find out myself soon.....*cough*

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you may know the company SDS;-).................to be continued..............be safe friend
 
hyroot

hyroot

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^^^^ I almost went to Greece once. We were supposed to go to Israel too on that trip. It was war time I guess. Very unsafe for tourists at that time in Israel. One day I will go.... Many places i want to see at least once.
 
stardustsailor

stardustsailor

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hyroot said:
^^^^ I almost went to Greece once. We were supposed to go to Israel too on that trip. It was war time I guess. Very unsafe for tourists at that time in Israel. One day I will go.... Many places i want to see at least once.
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spazatak said:
Anyone know where I can find the LED section?
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I'm sorry .That is the last post of me ,at this thread .
I've just lost my temper ,for a moment (or so ... ) ...
Enough ...
 
PSUAGRO.

PSUAGRO.

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hyroot said:
Ancient Greece fell along with ancient Rome, Egypt, Atlantis, etc....

anyway my light is bigger than all of yours.

@psuagro now what's that light you're talking about? It doesn't look like that Cree high bay light
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Atlantis???...............................is that where EH builds his A51 panels ??????????????

You'll see soon enough about the light, it's a Cali company............which unfortunately DQ's me from the party cup comp, so maybe you place this time............maybe:hug:

LOL @ froggy's new avatar............charming
 
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