Yellow supremacists!

BustinScales510

BustinScales510

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joefoxx said:
You know a lot of useless conjecture in this country is from such narrow perspectives. Is it me or are so many people so in a hurry to simplify everything into a black and white situation, no pun but it fits. The whole reason for the original AA is because minorities as a whole were not being provided the same basic level of education as many whites. When I say basic I mean elementary through 12th; the education the government provides by the way. This isn';t even a point to argue since institutional racism, once advocated by the government, is a known historical fact. What is not a fact or even a serious supposition is that all the institutional racism has magically changed over the last century which is where a lot of the opposers of AA come from.

At the time when this country's social structure was being laid certain people were purposely made to fail or shall we say, purposely not given the tools to succeed. I'm sure it wasn't the worst thing being denied a particular job or an education but they were denied the same nurturing cultural foundation as other Americans. That particular point is historically downplayed in favor of more tangible racial inequalities but, in truth, that cultural nurturing has had the strongest influence on the identity of the modern American citizen. Today we call it that "ridiculously delusional fantasy of American exceptionalism"...

Fast forward to the present and the kids that go to great colleges here aren't necessarily the smartest kids n the nation, they're either financially secure or just kids who were given the proper tools to do well in the, extra mediocre, American educational system, which has done everything possible to rig itself, so that certain American students feel smart and informed even if they're actually not. The educational system is at worst a formality towards a job and at best a "lame joke". I could learn more from a week and a book than a nine month college course.

Anyway, the problem with longstanding social inequality is that it is impossible to address directly because it becomes ingrained in the culture. Some people say "Just give them everybody the same "standardized" test. That's fair. " Yeah! that's fair! Just like treating a whole race of people like non-citizens and second class humans, then grudgingly freeing them and wondering why they don't assimilate smoothly as normal members of society or giving a inner city kid a golf club and leaving them stranded at Pebble Beach. That's fair right? It would be fair if everyone had access to the same standardized education and but that's not so.

In the end, you can't make people be fair and impartial and you can't go into every poor kid's house and undo years of negative social programming. So for people who actually understand the overlapping complexities of the problem the original AA law wasn't an answer, it was a first step in instating some type of social balance. Of course some people who benefitted from the flawed social order, and some who didn't, will feel slighted the same as people with 80% coverage through their employer are pissed at Obamacare. But do you honestly believe you deserve better medical coverage than someone else who works just as hard because you're lucky enough to have a job with benefits?? Nobody ever wants to admit cheating when it's in their favor I guess...
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joefoxx

joefoxx

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haha i see what you did there. extra points for the google image search and the clip. that's better researching skills than the average American... Affirmative action Alum or nah?? lol
 
JohnnySocko

JohnnySocko

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This whole AA argument is dumb:
its a cheap band aid designed to correct the separate but equal mandate laid down by law and the not so easily enforced and glaringly evident variables like blockbusting, white flight and housing discrimination (hell 1/2 the right wingers here actually think blacks segregate themselves)

Still, none of this crap can fix another root social issue:
blacks culturally/statistically do not have the educational work ethic to become academically equal ...
(and no I don't even think its genetic)

...my point being:
...AA in education, nor many goverment programs can easily fix something that should be done at the family level.....

AA in Jobs is hardly a net gain: it doesn't create opportunity it just shifts the current opportunity around..someone is starving to feed someone else...


^ I am generalizing for arguments sake
 
joefoxx

joefoxx

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JohnnySocko said:
This whole AA argument is dumb:
its a cheap band aid designed to correct the separate but equal mandate laid down by law and the not so easily enforced and glaringly evident variables like blockbusting, white flight and housing discrimination (hell 1/2 the right wingers here actually think blacks segregate themselves)

Still, none of this crap can fix another root social issue:
blacks culturally/statistically do not have the educational work ethic to become academically equal ...
(and no I don't even think its genetic)

...my point being:
...AA in education, nor many goverment programs can easily fix something that should be done at the family level.....

AA in Jobs is hardly a net gain: it doesn't create opportunity it just shifts the current opportunity around..someone is starving to feed someone else...


^ I am generalizing for arguments sake
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So your submission would be that we simply ignore it if we are not in that cultural/statistical bracket??

How about you do this. Check the cultural stats for white kids under the poverty level and see how their work ethic stacks up to the "academically equal". I haven't read a study but it's reasonable to assume that a low educational work ethic is closely related to a low income class. It doesn't take a cultural anthropologist to surmise the institutional poverty imposed on blacks, not to mention historic exclusion from proper early education, is the big reason for this(as you said not genetic)....

Do I think we should start handing out vouchers for Harvard in the hood? No. That wouldn't work.

So then what should be done? Nothing? Just set it and forget it hu??

If you were a cultural anthropologist you would know the direct impact of culture on our lives(choices) and that generations of brainwashing doesn't just repair itself in a few decades. Just take a look at the fantasy of "American Exceptionalism" that was planted in the culture of whites. Americans are mediocre in almost every academic category including educational work ethic but that doesn't stop us from spewing our uninformed opinions like Darwinian Facts!!! That's American culture for some people and it's SLOWLY starting to change.

As I said I don't agree with AA but I do applaud that "some people" do acknowledge the monumental injustice of destroying a culture.

Your point, while valid, is grossly one sided.... I don't even know why I would try to debate politics on a forum. Nobody wants to read a paragraph but it's impossible to debate complex issues with a few stanzas of clever conjecture. How to debate with someone who doesn't want to read a paragraph anyway?

^this isn't really a general argument.
 
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