Mass Murder by Blade, you Vast Idiots

[Beefbisquit]

Beef, you WANT more restrictions. And you want us to swallow, that these are reasonable ideas.

I do advocate tighter gun storage laws. Yep.

That is a type of restriction. Yep.

I don't support the restriction of purchasing types or amounts of firearms. I don't advocate assault bans, or handgun bans, or gun free zones, or magazine limits.

They are reasonable ideas, and the laws will eventually change. These things take time, and stubborn old fucks like you, need to die off first.

 

[Doer]

I do advocate tighter gun storage laws. Yep.

That is a type of restriction. Yep.

I don't support the restriction of purchasing types or amounts of firearms. I don't advocate assault bans, or handgun bans, or gun free zones, or magazine limits.

They are reasonable ideas, and the laws will eventually change. These things take time, and stubborn old fucks like you, need to die off first.

So, master of time and space, you really know you will outlive me?

And you will not acknowledge how any storage restriction, walks over, ready to bear arms.

So, storage is not an issue. You know that.

You want restrictions against ready use.

The sophistry, is the substitution to the fake word, storage.

Guns need to be stored, disassembled in a wooden box with oil cloths, and stuffed with cosmoline.

So, storage is not it. IT is ready use restriction, you support. And you have said as much.

So, it isn't semantics it is bait and switch.

You can lie to yourself but not to me.

 

[Beefbisquit]

So, master of time and space, you really know you will outlive me?

One can only hope.

 

[Doer]

One can only hope.

And I hope for your sake that is true. But, I found myself near dead, and a medical write off at 44 years old.

 

[Beefbisquit]

And I hope for your sake that is true. But, I found myself near dead, and a medical write off at 44 years old.

My point I guess, when it all boils down is that just because something is, doesn't mean it ought to be.

 

[Doer]

I know, Let's move on out of idle pouts, OK? May we both live today and NOW.

I want to know, and am only asking...

Where is your distinction between storage and ready?

So, be real. Do you keep a ready?

 

[budleydoright]

If we were all armed (apart of bars and alcohol, which there really should more education about) there would be more immediate response, but even that would not stop, bombing and fire, etc.

But, as soon as you start F-ing or M-ing, WE end you. That is the American Dream. That is Individual Sovereign responsibility.

They're overturning laws keeping guns out of bars in many states. Same folks that brought you Stand your ground are very busy making sure there are plenty of gun sales profits for their industry. Universitys are the next market they are trying to open.

I'm I the only one that thought Wayne LaPierre looked and sounded like a big fucking pussy who is affraid of his own shadow when he spoke at cpac. Then he lumps Haters in with Killers.

All you all are fucking haters!

 

[Beefbisquit]

I know, Let's move on out of idle pouts, OK? May we both live today and NOW.

I want to know, and am only asking...

Where is your distinction between storage and ready?

So, be real. Do you keep a ready?

Distinction between ready and storage? IMO, storage is when you're not using, cleaning, or keeping your firearm out and ready when you're in its vicinity/residence.

Going to the amusement park for a day with the kiddies, and not planning on 'packin' at the picnic park? Storage time.

Going to bed for the night and keeping a handgun on the nightstand? Ready time.

 

[Doer]

Distinction between ready and storage? IMO, storage is when you're not using, cleaning, or keeping your firearm out and ready when you're in its vicinity/residence.

Going to the amusement park for a day with the kiddies, and not planning on 'packin' at the picnic park? Storage time.

Going to bed for the night and keeping a handgun on the nightstand? Ready time.

Well, I will go throw a rock at myself in celebration.

 

[Doer]

But, be real. A ready doesn't have a trigger lock or anything that can hinder ...aim, fire. Right?

So, gun locks and other device laws that make no distinction between ready and stored are WRONG?

 

[Dr Kynes]

Distinction between ready and storage? IMO, storage is when you're not using, cleaning, or keeping your firearm out and ready when you're in its vicinity/residence.

Going to the amusement park for a day with the kiddies, and not planning on 'packin' at the picnic park? Storage time.

Going to bed for the night and keeping a handgun on the nightstand? Ready time.

i agree with this.

but i dont like the camel's nose under the tent of storage rules, which will only become more and more unreasonable until, like much of europe, your gun will have to be stored in a locker at a shooting range, miles from your house.

 

[Beefbisquit]

But, be real. A ready doesn't have a trigger lock or anything that can hinder ...aim, fire. Right?

When a gun is readied, it doesn't have anything on it. It is 'ready' to be fired.

So, gun locks and other device laws that make no distinction between ready and stored are WRONG?

Wait, are you asking if gun locks themselves that make no distinction between ready and stored are WRONG? You said gun locks and other device laws.... are you talking about gun locks themselves and device laws themselves? Or did you mean gun lock laws and other device laws?

I would say that any law would need to establish the difference between a readied firearm and stored firearm, and when a firearm can be readied, e.g. there has to be an operator present.

 

[Doer]

It is not that difficult, is it?

So, gun locks and other device laws that make no distinction between ready and stored are WRONG?

That is not a sentence to be quibbled about unless you run out of all else. gun lock LAWS and other device LAWS?? OK, Philo? Dodge, deflect, duck, dodge and weave. I know the game.

Tell me how ANY FIREARM DEVICE LAW makes a disinction between storage and ready.

I will keep it simple.

 

[Beefbisquit]

It is not that difficult, is it?

So, gun locks and other device laws that make no distinction between ready and stored are WRONG?

That is not a sentence to be quibbled about unless you run out of all else. gun lock LAWS and other device LAWS?? OK, Philo? Dodge, deflect, duck, dodge and weave. I know the game.

Tell me how ANY FIREARM DEVICE LAW makes a disinction between storage and ready.

I will keep it simple.

I would say that any law would need to establish the difference between a readied firearm and stored firearm, and when a firearm can be readied, e.g. there has to be an operator present.

That wasn't good enough?

And you don't need to keep it simple, but grammatically correct would be nice. I'd rather not have to assume what you mean when you're posting.

 

[Dr Kynes]

That wasn't good enough?

And you don't need to keep it simple, but grammatically correct would be nice. I'd rather not have to assume what you mean when you're posting.

doer's argument, as i understand it, is that every single one of the "safe storage" laws ever enacted in the US has been designed to render your gun as Un-Ready as possible.

should you find the need to drop the hammer on a home invader, burglar or other criminal, the very fact that your gun was in a state of readiness to be operated is proof that your gun was not stored "safely".

Washington DC's laws which required your gun to be disassembled and locked up, with ammo locked in a different room was overturned by the supreme court as a backdoor prohibition, since it rendered a gun useless for any purpose other than hunting or target shooting.

this law in particular was drafted with nobody's safety in mind, except possibly that of criminals.

 

[Beefbisquit]

doer's argument, as i understand it, is that every single one of the "safe storage" laws ever enacted in the US has been designed to render your gun as Un-Ready as possible.

Yeha, I don't agree with those types of laws.

should you find the need to drop the hammer on a home invader, burglar or other criminal, the very fact that your gun was in a state of readiness to be operated is proof that your gun was not stored "safely".

Not how I see it, but I don't agree with the types of laws you're listing in this particular case.

Washington DC's laws which required your gun to be disassembled and locked up, with ammo locked in a different room was overturned by the supreme court as a backdoor prohibition, since it rendered a gun useless for any purpose other than hunting or target shooting.

this law in particular was drafted with nobody's safety in mind, except possibly that of criminals.

Yeah, that's dumb. Storage, to me, means when no one is there to use it. That's when it's 'stored'. Not when people are home, but just not using it at that moment.

 

[Doer]

That wasn't good enough?

And you don't need to keep it simple, but grammatically correct would be nice. I'd rather not have to assume what you mean when you're posting.

That is the part I do not understand. You are maintaining a rhetorical facade that there are no laws for this.
You plainly ignore the question.

You support these gun device laws for storage.

A trigger lock law was voted into existence, in my town, just last year.

It makes no distinctions. It says, all guns are to be locked. Every device law I know of say the same thing.

I asked, if there was a law, or can you even imagine a law, that makes the distinction?

I also would like to know why are you playing down that big difference?

And do you see the dodge pattern when we add this gloss over of facts. It adds pattern to the Saves dodge?

So, to me this is how an Ostrich hides. In the myth, him just won't look.

 

[Beefbisquit]

That is the part I do not understand. You are maintaining a rhetorical facade that there are no laws for this.
You plainly ignore the question.

You support these gun device laws for storage.

A trigger lock law was voted into existence, in my town, just last year.

It makes no distinctions. It says, all guns are to be locked. Every device law I know of say the same thing.

Well, I can't help what is on the books in your jurisdiction. I'm suggesting something different.

I asked, if there was a law, or can you even imagine a law, that makes the distinction?

Not sure about any existing laws of this nature. I can certainly imagine one, I've already listed several ideas for one.

I also would like to know why are you playing down that big difference?

Playing down what difference? The distinction between when a firearm is stored or should be stored, and when it's in use or ready to use? I already said; " Storage, to me, means when no one is there to use it. That's when it's 'stored'. Not when people are home, but just not using it at that moment. "

And do you see the dodge pattern when we add this gloss over of facts. It adds pattern to the Saves dodge?

I understand what each of those words means, but I don't understand how you're using them in this sentence.

You're stuck on 'saves', man. Let it go. There's no way to know what constitutes a save, and there's no reliable info on the quantity of saves. Do they happen? Of course. Can we reliably state guns 'save' more than than they 'disrupt'? Not honestly. EDIT: But as long as there is a criminal element with guns, people need the ability to defend themselves.

So, to me this is how an Ostrich hides. In the myth, him just won't look.

lol.... what?

 

[Dr Kynes]

Well, I can't help what is on the books in your jurisdiction. I'm suggesting something different.



Not sure about any existing laws of this nature. I can certainly imagine one, I've already listed several ideas for one.


Playing down what difference? The distinction between when a firearm is stored or should be stored, and when it's in use or ready to use? I already said; " Storage, to me, means when no one is there to use it. That's when it's 'stored'. Not when people are home, but just not using it at that moment. "



I understand what each of those words means, but I don't understand how you're using them in this sentence.



lol.... what?

yep.

to be this crazy Doer must be at least this hot:

 

[NoDrama]

I do advocate tighter gun storage laws. Yep.

Why do you support things which are unconstitutional or would be impossible to enforce?