Hermies & Feminized Seeds

[waterdawg]

So whats the deal with femmed seeds showing more of the recessive genes than reg seeds, is that true? I know i do get some vastly different pheno's but have never grown from reg seeds. Space is just way too precious in my setup. Sorry if this is off topic OP just real curious.

 

[racerboy71]

So whats the deal with femmed seeds showing more of the recessive genes than reg seeds, is that true? I know i do get some vastly different pheno's but have never grown from reg seeds. Space is just way too precious in my setup. Sorry if this is off topic OP just real curious.

that's a good question. my thought would be if the fem'ed seed was an s1, then the plant would have the same recessive genes being they both come from the same plant, and if they lined up right, they, the recessive genes, would show up in it's offspring..
this is only a some what educated guess on my part though, not sure how right or wrong i am, but basing it on what science i do know, i don't see why it'd be wrong..
wouldn't be the first time i was wrong though, that's for sure..

 

[Wavels]

I grew reg seed for decades, as there were no fem seeds available back then.
I was initially very skeptical and hesitant to use fem seeds when they were first introduced.
After having used them for several years and dozens of crops now, I enthusiastically endorse them.
If anything, I have had less problems with the fem seeds than I have had with reg seeds as far as hermies and other mutations and assorted genetic problems.

 

[dajosh42069]

I'm glad I resparked this thread. Else the true information would never have been known to me.
Thank you all for your input.

 

[dajosh42069]

Figures... lol
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to racerboy71 again."

 

[mr sunshine]

Not true. Feminized seeds are taken from a plant that was purposely stressed so it will Herm and pollinate itself. You can cross-strain with 2 females, but the pollen will ultimately come from a Hermaphrodite Female.

It is true you need two female plants to produce feminized seeds you force one to grow nuts then you pollinate the other.

 

[charface]

It is true you need two female plants to produce feminized seeds you force one to grow nuts then you pollinate the other.

Dont some treat a single branch prior to flowering then that pollen is used on the female section of the same plant.
The male kicks out flowers rapidly enough so you still have time.
This is what I would call an s1 (SELFED)
and would expect uniformity.

I think a p1 is when you force male flowers then use that pollen on a different
plant. I can see how you could expect variety here

 

[mr sunshine]

Yea that makes sense I've personally never made feminized seeds.. In my head it seems less likely to Hermie if you use two plants..

 

[charface]

Yea that makes sense I've personally never made feminized seeds.. In my head it seems less likely to Hermie if you use two plants..

Shit I googled my self and I think im using p1 wrong. So ignore me.
Oh well

 

[Cascadian]

Yea that makes sense I've personally never made feminized seeds.. In my head it seems less likely to Hermie if you use two plants..

Yeah, I have read it is a good idea to use different plants just in case the plant gets stressed after it makes the pollen but before the end of its life cycle (due to the hormones adjusting back etc) Makes sense to me too. I am making some feminized seeds now for the first time.

 

[mr sunshine]

I think when you cross two different plants for the fist time you get an f1. If you cross a plant with a clone of itself its an s1

 

[charface]

I just found what you were talking about.
Rosenthal says
Selfing over generations does up the hermie trait.
So your right about using two different plants.

 

[mr sunshine]

Yeah, I have read it is a good idea to use different plants just in case the plant gets stressed after it makes the pollen but before the end of its life cycle (due to the hormones adjusting back etc) Makes sense to me too. I am making some feminized seeds now for the first time.

What strain are you feminizing?

 

[mr sunshine]

I just found what you were talking about.
Rosenthal says
Selfing over generations does up the hermie trait.
So your right about using two different plants.

Yea its something I read a long time ago it just stayed stuck in my head...one day I'll make feminized seeds, one day!!right now I keep a few mothers..

 

[charface]

I messed with it enough to force pollen
before but I just set up a cab for making seeds of my stuff so I can decrease plant count.
Plus its just something I need to get out of my system.

 

[Cascadian]

What strain are you feminizing?

I am working on making some seeds for outdoor in a wet northern climate. So I chose Holland's Hope as one of the "dads", will be crossing to another HH as well as C99, pineapple kush, and a few others.

Also working with autos for the first time (finishing early is important up here). So another dad is an Amnesia Auto crossed to a few other Dinafem Auto strains. Should be fun project.

 

[sonar]

i'll do it for you adjor, i got this..

guitar man, fem'ed seeds aren't made by stressing a girl to make male stamen, but rather by the introduction of a chemical, such as collodial silver..
when you spray an otherwise happy and healthy female plant with c.s., it encourages the plant to grow male staminate flowers instead of pistils where sprayed.. once the stamen grow and open, you can then either take the pollen and use it on a female flower on the same plant, which creates what is known as s1's, or selfed 1's for obvious reason, or you can use the pollen on a separate female, creating f1s..
the introduction of the chemical does nothing to the dna of the plant.. so long as the plant you started out with was stable, meaning not hermie prone, then all of it's offspring will also be stable, ie, not hermie prone.. if the mother plant wasn't stable, then obviously the same will be true with it's offspring.. pretty much garbage in, garbage out..
this holds true for what ever form of seeds you make, regular or feminized.. the fem process does nothing to introduce a hermie trait if it wasn't there to start with.. if you start with hermie parents, you'll more then likely get hermie offspring as the hermie trait is dominant, and shows in the offspring.. again, this is true with either regular seeds, or feminized seeds..

Have you ever done this raceboy? I've been thinking about trying it for some time now with collodial silver.

What would happen in the first scenario though. Let's say you have plant X and plant Y of two different strains. For whatever reason, a light leak for example, caused plant X to throw a few pollen sacs. It had a minor genetic predisposition and the light leak was enough to hermie her. You took the pollen from plant X and used it to pollinate plant Y. You would have F1's, but would have a tendency to be females? Would it make any difference if plant X and plant Y were from feminized seeds?

 

[Cascadian]

I messed with it enough to force pollen
before but I just set up a cab for making seeds of my stuff so I can decrease plant count.
Plus its just something I need to get out of my system.

You should do it, I just popped my first seeds I made. It is rewarding and interesting to see what traits come through in the crosses. I need to get my plant count down too... having a hard time letting go of the clones though...

 

[charface]

Awesome. Post some pics if you get a keeper

 

[sonar]

that's a good question. my thought would be if the fem'ed seed was an s1, then the plant would have the same recessive genes being they both come from the same plant, and if they lined up right, they, the recessive genes, would show up in it's offspring..
this is only a some what educated guess on my part though, not sure how right or wrong i am, but basing it on what science i do know, i don't see why it'd be wrong..
wouldn't be the first time i was wrong though, that's for sure..

That makes sense. Not to be gross, but that is a major reason why children born of brother and sister, first cousins, etc have higher rates of hereditary conditions. Much less genetic variability along with the higher rate of recessive traits showing up.

However, I think this came up in another thread, but in my personal experience I can think of at least half dozen or so strains just off the top of my head from fem seed that were extremely stable. Some, from a pack of 5, were damn near clones of one another.