Hermies & Feminized Seeds

[dajosh42069]

Now... correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't most bag seeds (in an example where it's the ONLY seed in the bag, meaning it came from a plant who hermied on herself and gave herself seeds) essentially a seed clone of the previous plant? There's no new genetic material being introduced, so would the seed be "feminized" so to speak? Or is the genetic potential for a full male plant still there?
I do fully understand that most bag seeds have a strong potential to become hermies themselves, as they possess the hermie genes from it's mother. But aren't the odds of a hermie bag seed pretty high of it being a female?

By all means, correct me if I have no idea what i'm talking about.
Thanks.

 

[Dr. Who]

Yup, female seed

 

[dajosh42069]

Yeah, except i've heard lots of people said they've grown male plants from a 'single seed in a bag'. However, it's also been stated that it may have MUCH to do with environment. These types of hermi bagseeds, if exposed to increasingly high temperatures while a sprout, can grow up to become male. Not a hermi, male.

Has anyone else had any experience with this?

 

[Adjorr]

theres really no way to tell, a single male plant can leave pollen in someones grow room that gets kicked up like dust and pollinates a plant many grow cycles down the road, or they could be growing outside and someone elses grow pollinates theirs, or they could have 1 plant that hermied and pollinated all there females. There are just to many unknown factors for bag seed to be reliably female, if you want feminised seeds your going to have to make them or buy them

 

[Cascadian]

theres really no way to tell, a single male plant can leave pollen in someones grow room that gets kicked up like dust and pollinates a plant many grow cycles down the road, or they could be growing outside and someone elses grow pollinates theirs, or they could have 1 plant that hermied and pollinated all there females. There are just to many unknown factors for bag seed to be reliably female, if you want feminised seeds your going to have to make them or buy them

I agree, though the likelyhood is higher of a single seed in a bag being from a hermie. No guarantee, I just did a breeding project. If someone got some of my bud they wouldn't find many seeds but all of them would be 50/50 female male with no hermies.

Also, the plant that hermies and creates the seed will have some gene expressions that are as a result of getting one Dominant gene and one Recessive gene (the dominant would express in the original plant) but when it hermies even though the genes are the same you could end up with a Recessive/Recessive cross and get different traits to show in the offspring. This is my understanding, correct me if I am wrong... So it will not be a perfect clone in seed form but will be very close to the original plant.

 

[Adjorr]

also feminized seeds arent made from hermies, they are made from female plants that have been forced to produce male flowers they carry no male chromozones, whereas a hermied plant carries both male and female chromozones so it will produce male and female offspring

 

[mr sunshine]

Its a possibility that the plant pollinated itself that's when you have a strong chance of Hermie..you need two girls to make feminized seeds..

 

[Guitar Man]

also feminized seeds arent made from hermies, they are made from female plants that have been forced to produce male flowers they carry no male chromozones, whereas a hermied plant carries both male and female chromozones so it will produce male and female offspring

Then why does a perfectly female plant produce balls/nanners if stressed induced? In fact, this is how Feminized seeds are produced and why there are so many Hermaphrodites on the market. If you want a Female that won't produce balls/nanners, you need to grow the old fashioned way; seeds taken from a Female plant that was sexed by a Male plant. Then germinate, grow them out, find the males and shit can them, and grow your Females without a stressful environment.

If you want multiple plants, like my professional grower buddy who needs a large harvest (100 pounds or more) to supply the dispensaries, he only clones from the true Females, not Feminized seeds.

 

[Guitar Man]

Its a possibility that the plant pollinated itself that's when you have a strong chance of Hermie..you need two girls to make feminized seeds..

Not true. Feminized seeds are taken from a plant that was purposely stressed so it will Herm and pollinate itself. You can cross-strain with 2 females, but the pollen will ultimately come from a Hermaphrodite Female.

 

[Adjorr]

id go into a long rant about how plants that have been forced to make male flowers arent the same as plants that are born as hermies but ive already done it 4 or 5 times in the last year or so and there are already enough rants about it on the internet, so ill just link u some stuff
http://www.growweedeasy.com/how-to-make-your-own-feminized-marijuana seeds

 

[Guitar Man]

id go into a long rant about how plants that have been forced to make male flowers arent the same as plants that are born as hermies but ive already done it 4 or 5 times in the last year or so and there are already enough rants about it on the internet, so ill just link u some stuff
http://www.growweedeasy.com/how-to-make-your-own-feminized-marijuana seeds

Then why are so many growers complaining about purchased, Feminized seeds, going Herm on them? Like I said, I know professional growers who won't touch Feminized seeds. If I was growing a large crop, I would do it the old fashioned way to eliminate the risk. Small grows can be managed; I know, because I do it. And, the Hermaphrodite is really a small growers dream if they don't want to buy any seeds for next time.

 

[racerboy71]

Then why does a perfectly female plant produce balls/nanners if stressed induced? In fact, this is how Feminized seeds are produced and why there are so many Hermaphrodites on the market. If you want a Female that won't produce balls/nanners, you need to grow the old fashioned way; seeds taken from a Female plant that was sexed by a Male plant. Then germinate, grow them out, find the males and shit can them, and grow your Females without a stressful environment.

If you want multiple plants, like my professional grower buddy who needs a large harvest (100 pounds or more) to supply the dispensaries, he only clones from the true Females, not Feminized seeds.

id go into a long rant about how plants that have been forced to make male flowers arent the same as plants that are born as hermies but ive already done it 4 or 5 times in the last year or so and there are already enough rants about it on the internet, so ill just link u some stuff
http://www.growweedeasy.com/how-to-make-your-own-feminized-marijuana seeds

i'll do it for you adjor, i got this..

guitar man, fem'ed seeds aren't made by stressing a girl to make male stamen, but rather by the introduction of a chemical, such as collodial silver..
when you spray an otherwise happy and healthy female plant with c.s., it encourages the plant to grow male staminate flowers instead of pistils where sprayed.. once the stamen grow and open, you can then either take the pollen and use it on a female flower on the same plant, which creates what is known as s1's, or selfed 1's for obvious reason, or you can use the pollen on a separate female, creating f1s..
the introduction of the chemical does nothing to the dna of the plant.. so long as the plant you started out with was stable, meaning not hermie prone, then all of it's offspring will also be stable, ie, not hermie prone.. if the mother plant wasn't stable, then obviously the same will be true with it's offspring.. pretty much garbage in, garbage out..
this holds true for what ever form of seeds you make, regular or feminized.. the fem process does nothing to introduce a hermie trait if it wasn't there to start with.. if you start with hermie parents, you'll more then likely get hermie offspring as the hermie trait is dominant, and shows in the offspring.. again, this is true with either regular seeds, or feminized seeds..

 

[racerboy71]

Then why are so many growers complaining about purchased, Feminized seeds, going Herm on them? Like I said, I know professional growers who won't touch Feminized seeds. If I was growing a large crop, I would do it the old fashioned way to eliminate the risk. Small grows can be managed; I know, because I do it. And, the Hermaphrodite is really a small growers dream if they don't want to buy any seeds for next time.

yeah, some dream, so long as you don't mind having seeded crop after seeded.. seeds that come from hermie prone parents will carry the hermie trait, and more then likely, being dominant, all of the offspring will also be hermies.. sounds more like a nightmare then a dream..

 

[Adjorr]

I dont know who these "so many growers" are but ive never had a problem with feminised seeds and i spend a significant amount of time hanging around these forums reading peoples problems and helping where i can and id say that hermies represent about 1% of all feminised seeds being bought.
There are cases where the feminised seeds are being made from hermie plants and thiswill give you a high chance of getting a hermie however this isnt the proper way to make fem seeds, properly made fem seeds using colodial silver are no more likely to go hermie then regular seeds

 

[racerboy71]

I dont know who these "so many growers" are but ive never had a problem with feminised seeds and i spend a significant amount of time hanging around these forums reading peoples problems and helping where i can and id say that hermies represent about 1% of all feminised seeds being bought.
There are cases where the feminised seeds are being made from hermie plants and thiswill give you a high chance of getting a hermie however this isnt the proper wake to make fem seeds, properly made fem seeds using colodial silver are no more likely to go hermie then regular seeds

damn, i hate when people make good posts and the person we're trying to help out logs off..

 

[waterdawg]

Well said racer! Lots of misinformation out there! 150 female seeds bought and no hermies. Well so far lol.

 

[dajosh42069]

I haven't gone anywhere, just soaking it all in.
Personally, I fully understand what adjorr is saying about the difference between a hermie and a forced plant. You can use hormones to change her. That's the difference between a hormone induced sex change vs a naturally born hermi.
I HAVE heard of people stressing plants to get fem seeds by mixing female pollen with a different female plant.
The last time I grew a bagseed vs a clone, the seed hermi'd on me from temps barely being too high.

Besides, there are lots of things here being mentioned that I hadn't considered. So i'm grateful for all the information.

 

[racerboy71]

I haven't gone anywhere, just soaking it all in.
Personally, I fully understand what adjorr is saying about the difference between a hermie and a forced plant. You can use hormones to change her. That's the difference between a hormone induced sex change vs a naturally born hermi.
I HAVE heard of people stressing plants to get fem seeds by mixing female pollen with a different female plant.
The last time I grew a bagseed vs a clone, the seed hermi'd on me from temps barely being too high.

Besides, there are lots of things here being mentioned that I hadn't considered. So i'm grateful for all the information.

sorry m8, i was talking about guitar dude vanishing, not you, sorry for the mix up..

 

[Adjorr]

lol nice racer
I only grow from fem seeds or from clones that started as fem seeds, no hermies or males yet, and i cant think of anyone i know or thread that ive read where a fem seed from a reputable seed bank has gone hermie
i can howeve remmber dozens of people trying to tell people how fem seeds were more likely to hermie however they never coud point to any example of it actually happening and always seemd to not understand the difference between a forced hermie and a real hermir, its just one of those myths people like to repeat
to give a human example being born with a penis and a vagina isnt the same as having a sex change operation, hope that clears things up

 

[racerboy71]

lol nice racer
I only grow from fem seeds or from clones that started as fem seeds, no hermies or males yet, and i cant think of anyone i know or thread that ive read where a fem seed from a reputable seed bank has gone hermie
i can howeve remmber dozens of people trying to tell people how fem seeds were more likely to hermie however they never coud point to any example of it actually happening, its just one of those myths people like to repeat

so very true, then you got people like subcool saying that fems are shite, and that he only breeds real genetics, or w/e it is he says, with no basis in reality backing up his claims, and all of his fan boys buy it hook line and sinker.. no questions asked..

you can always make fem'ed seeds by hermie prone plants, but then again, you can also make regular seeds with the same hermie prone plants and get the same results..
oh well, i could go on and on, i have never had a hermie from either a regular seed or a fem'ed bean, knock on wood..

oh yeah, some strains are known to be hermie prone, no matter what the breeder does with it, like ecsd is supposed to be hermie prone, as is trainwreck, so when working with these strains, you have to expect a hermie here and there, again regardless of feminized or regular seed..