Muy's Minutia: YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID

MuyLocoNC

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Obamacare's problem: You can't fix stupid

CNBC.com | Friday, 14 Mar 2014 | 8:00 AM ET

It was supposed to be the most burning crisis in America: the 30 million, 40 million, or even 50 million of us, (depending on which politician was screaming the loudest), who didn't have health insurance and were clamoring to get it in order to avoid everything from bankruptcy to death.

So the Obama administration and the Democrats in Congress, gave us the Affordable Care Act. And they did it with such urgency that they didn't care that not a single Republican in Congress voted for it, and they didn't care that it took legislative chicanery to pass it despite the Democrat super-majority. Nope, the millions of uncovered Americans desperate for affordable health insurance just couldn't wait any longer.

So when the Obamacare exchanges finally opened for business in October, of course the tens of millions of insurance-starved Americans stampeded over each other to sign up and finally get covered.

Except they didn't.

The reality has been shocking even to the biggest Obamacare detractors. A McKinsey Report estimates that just 10 percent of the roughly 4 million enrollees in the ACA are people that did not previously have health insurance. Just 1 in 10!

Those 40 million to 50 million Americans just clamoring for health coverage that the Democrats have been telling us about since the 1940s have turned into just about 400,000 people who have bothered to sign up so far. And how much do you want to bet that those 400,000 will end up making up the lion's share of the up to 900,000 enrollees who have failed to actually pay for their new coverage?

The experts have come up with several good explanations for the lack of interest among the uninsured. They point to the expensive premium and deductible prices, confusing rules, and of course the failed Healthcare.gov website launch.

But here's something no one seems to be addressing, and it's truly the elephant in the room when it comes to people who refuse to get covered now, refused to get covered before Obamacare, and will continue not to get covered forever: You can't fix stupid.

We spend a lot of tax money in this country trying to stamp out stupid with varying degrees of success. But no matter how much we spend and how hard we try, millions of Americans will still smoke, drink to excess, drink and drive, eat unhealthy food, and refuse to be responsible enough to tend to their health and health coverage. And there isn't any website, commercial, or funny viral video on Earth that will change their minds.

So we should stop trying so hard.

The universal individual mandate has always been the weakest operational and theoretical aspect of the ACA, so much so that Chief Justice John Roberts had to come up with the crazy idea of reclassifying the entire thing as a tax just to keep it alive. It's a ruling most Americans and Roberts himself will regret for decades to come.

Our Constitutionally guaranteed freedom in this country isn't just a slogan. It means the freedom to succeed and the freedom to fail. The freedom to be smart, and the freedom to be stupid. And just because you can't fix stupid, it doesn't mean we should try to fix or amend freedom.

Unfortunately, that's just what Obamacare does by taking money from the responsible portion of society in an attempt to force feed responsibility to another. That's the thing about responsibility: It can't be imposed or transferred from one to another.

President Obama has unilaterally changed the rules of the ACA several times in the past 12 months. There will be more changes to come, including a possible long delay or outright abolition of the entire individual mandate. When — and if — that happens, don't pay attention to all the inevitable excuses that will address everything from blaming bad websites to anti-tea party conspiracy theories.

The real reason will be that the government can't fix stupid without killing freedom. And, as far to the left as America has drifted lately, we haven't quite gone off the deep end.

— By Jake Novak

Jake Novak is supervising producer of "The Kudlow Report." Follow him on Twitter @jakejakeny.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101492996__source=yahoo|finance|headline|headline|story&par=yahoo&doc=101492996|Obamacare's problem: You
 

jahbrudda

Well-Known Member
Everyone knows by now that this law was the biggest brain fart in american history.
Even die hard democrats know it, but does anyone believe for one minute they will admit they were wrong all along. Just like global warming, the left manufactured a crisis, claimed the government could fix it by raising taxes, and failed miserably in the process.
 

potroastV2

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Yes, idiots think that making health care available to everyone in the US is a bad idea.


We've heard you.


:mrgreen:
 

jahbrudda

Well-Known Member
Yes, idiots think that making health care available to everyone in the US is a bad idea.


We've heard you.


:mrgreen:
Healthcare has always been available to everyone here, are you talking about forcing tax payer to pay for it?
Lets take a brief look into Obamacare's bronze plan that is being marketed to young americans.
For the average young american, they will spend $262 per month for premiums, the average out of pocket annual cost is $6300.
On top of all those costs, they will also be responsible for 40% of the total bill.

So one would to have ask, who came up with this brainchild, and what would you call the people falling for it?

edit: I'd much rather have a choice, doesn't feel right forcing everyone into one system to pay for the 10% who either don't want healthcare insurance or can't afford it.
There has to be a better way.
 

UncleBuck

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Healthcare has always been available to everyone here, are you talking about forcing tax payer to pay for it?...doesn't feel right forcing everyone into one system to pay for the 10% who either don't want healthcare insurance or can't afford it.
There has to be a better way.
what delusion are you under?

what do you think happened previously when people went to the ER and couldn't afford the bill?

did their bill just vanish magically into the air, or were other people forced to pay for it, whether they liked it or not?

use your fucking brain for a second and stop proving to everyone that your stupidity can't be fixed.
 

CaretakerDad

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Healthcare has always been available to everyone here, are you talking about forcing tax payer to pay for it?
Lets take a brief look into Obamacare's bronze plan that is being marketed to young americans.
For the average young american, they will spend $262 per month for premiums, the average out of pocket annual cost is $6300.
On top of all those costs, they will also be responsible for 40% of the total bill.

So one would to have ask, who came up with this brainchild, and what would you call the people falling for it?

edit: I'd much rather have a choice, doesn't feel right forcing everyone into one system to pay for the 10% who either don't want healthcare insurance or can't afford it.
There has to be a better way.
There is a better way it's called single payer and everyone is covered but we can't do that because my friends on the right will call it communism.
 

UncleBuck

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Well, at least this poster realizes that the Dems who passed this debacle are idiots. They said so themselves.
OP also thinks america is behind him in his quest to to end social security and the safety net.

don't ask him about who he thought america was behind in the last election, that's a bi of a sore spot for him.
 

MuyLocoNC

Well-Known Member
Yes, idiots think that making health care available to everyone in the US is a bad idea.


We've heard you.


:mrgreen:
Perhaps you should read the article. I would suggest that ANYONE who thinks making health care available to everyone was the motivation behind this legislation, is the idiot.

OP also thinks america is behind him in his quest to to end social security and the safety net.

don't ask him about who he thought america was behind in the last election, that's a bi of a sore spot for him.
Sure don't, not even most of the Conservatives. And typing my personal view on a pot site is hardly a "quest".

I was 100% accurate on that date, still no proof to the contrary.
 

spazatak

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Why do Americans not mind paying tax for certain things but giving your fellow countrymen access to health benefits rubs you up the wrong way.
 

heckler73

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Perhaps you should read the article. I would suggest that ANYONE who thinks making health care available to everyone was the motivation behind this legislation, is the idiot.
Okay, so you don't believe the hype. What is your opinion for true motive if you don't accept the above?
 

jahbrudda

Well-Known Member
Why do Americans not mind paying tax for certain things but giving your fellow countrymen access to health benefits rubs you up the wrong way.
That's an easy one for me, I don't want to be forced into a government controlled healthcare system because other people can't afford health insurance.
If the government wants to tax me a little more and control the vast waste in spending we already have, fine, lets get started.

But don't take away my choices for the sake of 10-15% of the population.
The private sector always out preforms the government.
 

MuyLocoNC

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Okay, so you don't believe the hype. What is your opinion for true motive if you don't accept the above?
I'll simply take them at their word. Crash the system, enact single payer system, woohoo total government control.

This is how Progressives operate. However, they rarely spell out their nefarious plans as openly as they did with this latest deception. They couldn't sell it in the light of day, so you backdoor it into place by creating an environment where people are begging for it.

ObamaCare is completely unworkable (by design), the old system has been taken out to the woodshed and shot. Err nerz what will we do? Single payer to the rescue.
 

spazatak

Well-Known Member
That's an easy one for me, I don't want to be forced into a government controlled healthcare system because other people can't afford health insurance.
If the government wants to tax me a little more and control the vast waste in spending we already have, fine, lets get started.

But don't take away my choices for the sake of 10-15% of the population.
The private sector always out preforms the government.
Why would you not want the poorest of the poor who cant afford health care to be able to have access to that.
 

greentrip

New Member
OP also thinks america is behind him in his quest to to end social security and the safety net.

don't ask him about who he thought america was behind in the last election, that's a bi of a sore spot for him.
Actually its you progressive fools that are going to end social security -through bankruptcy
 

UncleBuck

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Actually its you progressive fools that are going to end social security -through bankruptcy
nice try, toolwoman. all your words are spelled correctly, you managed to actually use the quote function properly, and you avoided unnecessary use of bold.

you still made no point, provided no citation, and are deluded about reality, but the mechanics were fine.






C-
 

heckler73

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I'll simply take them at their word. (whose word?) Crash the system, enact single payer system, woohoo total government control.
(insert giant logical leap here)
This is how Progressives operate. However, they rarely spell out their nefarious plans as openly as they did with this latest deception. They couldn't sell it in the light of day, so you backdoor it into place by creating an environment where people are begging for it.

ObamaCare is completely unworkable (by design), the old system has been taken out to the woodshed and shot. Err nerz what will we do? Single payer to the rescue.
So you think single-payer won't work, even though other capitalist societies have done it without great problem.
Keep in mind, it was the "free-market" mindset of mostly Republicans (some Democrats, too, I'm assuming) who perverted the original single-payer proposal into this bastardized version known as the ACA.
Your conclusions are not well founded, IMO.
 

ChesusRice

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The notion that the ER is health care for poor people is a joke.
1 it is rediculously expensive and we end up paying for the uninsured
2 the ER is meant to save your life , not maintain your treatment.

Go in there with a heart attack and they will save your life but you wont end up with the care you need after you get out of the ER. Same with cancer, broken bones and stiches or anything else you went to the ER in the first place.
Got no insurance? Tough shit. Doctor aint taking charity cases today
 
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