Flushing. A different take

[charface]

I see all the debate and since I'm
not debating flushing I went ahead
and made a seperate thread.

I get that flushing amended soil
will still leave slow release nutes
onboard.

I usually just cut back the feeding
and stop feeding in the last few weeks.

Here is the question.
If one were hell bent on flushing
couldnt you just ph up or down
causing the nutes to be locked out
while allowing the plant to consume
the residule?

Im beginning to think this is why
my grandfather swore by
boiling the rootball and hanging the
entire plant upside down.
He understood the plant would continue
to live and consume for a while.

I think you could just as easily
pour boiling water directly into the soil
Then let the plant slowly die
giving you a head start on the cure.
Maybe he hung them so gravity would assist in keeping it alive a tad longer

Grandpa was a smart guy and a good breeder so I have to think he had his reasons.

People also think the dark period is useful for resin production.
He was killing all these birds by
boiling roots and hanging the plants in
a cool dry place to dry.

Note I did not say he was trying
to get thc from the roots.
But I think people have lost or mixed
up information that was passed down
in a crazy game of stoned telephone.


Anyway



In nature plants don't live in plastic buckets but at my house they do or they get the f**k out!

 

[hyroot]

If a plant has nute lock out or ph lock out. It ceases to grow. It won't uptake anything. No residual or anything.. Flushing rids the plant of inorganic salt build up caused by synths and chems. Using molasses as a flushing agent is the best way to go imo. It induces a fade pretty quickly .

 

[NaturalWorksOrganics]

At what ratio do you use the molasses to flush? Will the magnesium not make for harsher smoke?

 

[st0wandgrow]

No need to flush when growing organically. What would you be trying to "flush"? Microbes? This is particularly pointless if you are going to be recycling your soil. You want the soil food web in tact and thriving for the next run. In organics the plant decides when it's wrapping up all of it's biological processes, not you.

 

[GreenSanta]

No need to flush when growing organically. What would you be trying to "flush"? Microbes? This is particularly pointless if you are going to be recycling your soil. You want the soil food web in tact and thriving for the next run. In organics the plant decides when it's wrapping up all of it's biological processes, not you.

that's right!

don't use chems and salt based fertilizer and you will never have too worry whether your plants are flushed properly or not

 

[charface]

The point of the thread is that people say you cant flush organic. Im saying you probably can.

Not debating if you should
That thread already exists

In nature plants don't live in plastic buckets but at my house they do or they get the f**k out!

 

[nova1992]

why would you want to pour boiling water into your organic, living soil.....? makes no sense to me..
why is this in organics?

 

[charface]

if you cant figure it out dont worry about.
its not for you

In nature plants don't live in plastic buckets but at my house they do or they get the f**k out!

 

[foreverflyhi]

So just read your thread, i get where your going, but honestly, ur goig to get the same awnser and reply, just like the ones on top of me. First off, most, not all, but must of us organic growers understand that our soil is what we are keeping alive, so our goal is never too harm our soil, so with that being said,

boiling water seems like a bad idea, but worth a try, let us know how that works out

and sure we can add mollasses to our final days, no i dont think it will make the smoke harsher.

Next is, its really hard for me and im sure
Most of us to accept the term flushing in organics, honestly, it wont get h no where, other then wasting water, and drowning your soil.

 

[charface]

Lol. You guys act like soil is the end product.
My soil gets thrown in the garden where
it lives out its life in peace and harmony
good vibes and lots of touchy feely bullshit.
Anyway I can see this post has
disturbed your sensative souls.
I have to go meditate.
Be well


In nature plants don't live in plastic buckets but at my house they do or they get the f**k out!

 

[hyroot]

Lol. You guys act like soil is the end product.
My soil gets thrown in the garden where
it lives out its life in peace and harmony
good vibes and lots of touchy feely bullshit.
Anyway I can see this post has
disturbed your sensative souls.
I have to go meditate.
Be well


In nature plants don't live in plastic buckets but at my house they do or they get the f**k out!

soil is the end product . All us organic growers reuse our soil over and over with out even taking it out of the pot. So the microbial population is everything. Even when the plants are done and chopped. We still water the soil with teas and feed the microbes. Then replant eventually. I just made a soil mix a couple weeks ago. First time I bought any soil in over a year... So once our soil goes in it stays in..

we are not disturbed by this thread. It just doesn't make sense to screw up your plants and soil by doing stupid shit. We are giving you good advice. So take it or don't.

boiling water , make sure you let it cool otherwise you will kill your plants.

 

[Silky Shagsalot]

this whole, "soil is the end product," thing you are talking about, i don't get. the microbial life you are talking about are easily added when needed. you don't need to feed them after you harvest out of your medium. and they are very cheap to apply. i also feel the same as char about flushing organic medium. it will more than likely have nutes in it. it doesn't matter if they're organic does it? the plant can't tell the difference. only knows it has nutes it wants/needs. it doesn't care if it's organic or not...

 

[kinddiesel]

why not boil the entire plant in a bath tub ? no flush needed . ha ha ha. and it kills bugs mold cleans it then hang dry.

 

[hyroot]

this whole, "soil is the end product," thing you are talking about, i don't get. the microbial life you are talking about are easily added when needed. you don't need to feed them after you harvest out of your medium. and they are very cheap to apply. i also feel the same as char about flushing organic medium. it will more than likely have nutes in it. it doesn't matter if they're organic does it? the plant can't tell the difference. only knows it has nutes it wants/needs. it doesn't care if it's organic or not...

flushing does not rid the plant of nutrients. If it did the leaves would turn yellowish white . Flushing rids the plants of salt build up caused by chems and synths... with chems , you absorb all those chemicals when you smoke. With organics. It all breaks down , what ever is left during hanging and curing. With organics the plant takes up what it wants so there can still be nutes in the soil... If soil dries out. Microbes die. If there is no food for microbes they die off.. Re-applying mycos is minimal to the population that is created through the whole grow. We don't buy those snake oil powder mixes or bottles. We use compost , worm castings, botanicals, and then seed sprouts for enzymes.

 

[Silky Shagsalot]

We don't buy those snake oil powder mixes or bottles. We use compost , worm castings, botanicals, and then seed sprouts for enzymes.

lol, you organic guys are hard core. i'm sorry, but i can add easily what you have to work to get, is how i'm taking it. nothing wrong with hard work, but why do it, if you can avoid it? i've done organic, it's not that much of a difference, to me...

 

[hyroot]

lol, you organic guys are hard core. i'm sorry, but i can add easily what you have to work to get, is how i'm taking it. nothing wrong with hard work, but why do it, if you can avoid it? i've done organic, it's not that much of a difference, to me...

for one buying a powder mix doesn't have everything in it that we work to make.. Most companies lie. So there's also stuff in those powder or bottle mixes that's inorganic too..

a small container of great white is $60. Making compost and castings is free. Initially there's cost for worms and a bin. That's it. $40-$50. Then you can make all the castings and compost you want for free. We grow plants and make nutes with them too or compost. Comfrey, nettle, horse tail, aloe Vera, lavender, peppermint, rosemary, dandelions, etc....

why give our hard earned money away.. Plus its very minimal work to do all that. 5 min a week. If you used so called organic bottled nutes. It wasn't truly natural organic...

 

[charface]

Here is the question.
If one were hell bent on flushing
couldnt you just ph up or down
causing the nutes to be locked out

That was the Question.
I even warned you the question was
coming.
The rest was me trying to make sense
out of my grandpas grow style.
He was organic by the way
Trying to figure out his thought process as It would be impossible to ask him.

My grow is all organic
I dont boil my soil
I reuse it in my garden.
As far as advice
You passed over the question and latched onto dying microbes I can replace for a few pennies when
I throw my leftover tea in the yard
Good day Sirs!!!

Hyroot answered

 

[Silky Shagsalot]

why so defensive hy? i never said what i used, yet you presume to know. i'm sorry, but there's more than one way to skin a cat. why do organic people always get so, so, touchy??? you don't see chem folks harping about how great it is to be using chemical nutes, lol...

 

[charface]

Oh yeah the next time I hear you dont
flush organic but you do stop feeding it anything but water I'm going to boil a bunch of microbes and take pics.
You dont want that on your heads.
I understand the no till method
before anyone copy and pastes
the benefits.

Now then
Good Day Sirs!



In nature plants don't live in plastic buckets but at my house they do or they get the f**k out!

 

[hyroot]

why so defensive hy? i never said what i used, yet you presume to know. i'm sorry, but there's more than one way to skin a cat. why do organic people always get so, so, touchy??? you don't see chem folks harping about how great it is to be using chemical nutes, lol...

how is that defensive? I never said what you use. I said if you use. CONTEXT....I was answering your questions.. Reality is the Chem hydro guys get super offended if you say anything about organics. Go off about yield. How great their stuff is and how theirs is the best and how every dispensary wants their chem nuggets . Chem hydro guys are the biggest assholes and haters... Next to hid guys hating on led guys... Ironically most dispensaries have horrible buds... I laugh when they try to flex their little brains.. I just say have fun smoking your harsh cancer causing buds..