Another shooting in a Maryland Mall

[Red1966]

This is also a silly gun nut argument. no, guns don't often klll people on their own, but people are far more capable of killing far more people with a firearm than those who don't have them. guns don't kill people, but people with guns kill far more than people with knives, bats, bricks or even bombs. Some of these bumper sticker comments are mindless.

The most used murder weapon is the well-known "blunt instrument". Not guns

 

[Red1966]

That doesn't seem to be the case in other countries does it Desert Dude? How do you adjust this "shit happens" attitude when the shit doesn't happen nearly as freqently in other coutries.

People don't die in other countries?

 

[Red1966]

I posted the evident increase simply in school shootings from the 1900's till now - this is yet another myth. There are more shootings, just because the media plays upon them doesn't mean that statistics of shootings themselves, compiled by oh, say, the FBI hasn't increased. Yet another myth - are you saying there have been mass shootings about every few weeks since the start of this country? and how do you reconcile that with the fact that it doesn't happen in other countries. Are those in othe countries more sane? are they more gentle? do they play fewer video games? do they drink less? are they less angry? is the "parenting" better? Which is it?

It's illegal to own a gun in China. A guy murdered 20 something school children with a knife. It does happen in other countries. You assume because you don't see it on the evening news, it doesn't happen. Hell, the media doesn't report most of what happens here, how much do you think they report of what happens in other countries?

 

[Red1966]

Bullshit. Show me a person who has managed to kill 12 people with a knife or a bat before he was subdued. If what you say is true, then why do we arm our military? After all, they can kill with bats and bricks, can't they?

That's the thing about knives and bats. They don't make much noise, so no one notices. And the perp gets away. Some guy killed 8 people with a knife in a college dorm. He got away. The question about the military is just idiotic.

 

[UncleBuck]

The most used murder weapon is the well-known "blunt instrument". Not guns

in mass murders?

i'm not talking about the cases where the righties assert that they would just find some other way to kill them. homicide can be done with just about anything. there's no preventing those really.

but mass murders like virginia tech and the gabby giffords massacre and a room full of dead 6 year olds are a much different question. i am interested in preventing, mitigating, and deterring mass murders within the framework of the second amendment as interpreted by our fairly balanced supreme court.

the most well known weapons used are semi automatic guns with high capacity magazines. often, the guns are acquired because a legal gun owner left their guns laying around for anyone to get. sometimes, the guns are acquired because there was no simple background check.

there's nothing wrong about responsible gun ownership, most gun owners would emphatically agree. so keep them locked up when you're not using them (besides the one you must clutch as you sleep at night because THEY are coming to get you).

there's nothing wrong with a simple background check to buy a gun, no matter how you buy it. most gun owners and even NRA members certainly agree.

the high capacity magazine thing is more 50/50, but there is nothing unconstitutional about a limit on magazine capacity and it's pretty documented that mass murderers really love having easy access to high, high, high capacity magazines. some of them are so big that they are called drums. they come in handy for massacring moviegoers. i bet they even work well for massacring little six year old kids.

you're bringing a baseball bat (made for t-ball) talking point to an adult gun control debate.

 

[UncleBuck]

People don't die in other countries?

when was the last mass murder in australia?

 

[echelon1k1]

when was the last mass murder in australia?

snow town. 1992 through 1999.

 

[UncleBuck]

It's illegal to own a gun in China. A guy murdered 20 something school children with a knife.

WOW.

first he says swedes are REQUIRED to own FULLY AUTOMATIC GUNS, now he is saying 20+ kids got stabbed to death.

just WOW.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/world/asia/man-stabs-22-children-in-china.html?_r=0

Published: December 14, 2012
BEIJING (AP) — A man wielding a knife wounded 22 children and one adult outside a primary school in central China as students were arriving for classes on Friday, the police said....there were no deaths among the nine students admitted to the hospital




good job at lying through your teeth, red. strike 2 tonight alone.

You assume because you don't see it on the evening news, it doesn't happen.

and apparently you saw it on the news, changed the reality to suit your preconceived narrative, and repeated that lie for others to see (and debunk).

just stop. please, for your own sake. stahp.

 

[UncleBuck]

That's the thing about knives and bats. They don't make much noise, so no one notices. And the perp gets away.

how many times has a mass murderer used a bat and got away, red?

Some guy killed 8 people with a knife in a college dorm. He got away.

a google search for "guy killed 8 people with a knife in a college dorm" came up with NOTHING. the closest i could find was this.

http://americablog.com/2013/04/texas-knife-attack-college-lone-star.html

Earlier today, a Lone Star College student brought a knife, not a gun, onto the college’s CyFair campus and stabbed, but didn’t shoot, at least fourteen people.

Local authorities have taken a 21 year old man into custody; he is currently the only suspected attacker. There are no suspected shooters. Two people are in critical condition, none are dead.



strike 3 red.

your ability to deny reality as we know it is clearly a right wing trait.

The question about the military is just idiotic.

you have literally zero room to speak right now. three lies tonight alone.

just WOW.

 

[UncleBuck]

snow town. 1992 through 1999.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowtown_murders

killing 11 people over the ocurse of 7 years is called serial killing, not mass murder.

please do try to learn what words mean, so that i do not have to keep asking you if you reading compensation has failed you.

tldr; serial killering and mass murderering are two very different things, and my esteemd opponent clearly does not know how to make such simple distinctions.

 

[echelon1k1]

oh look the Wikipedia warrior strikes again - not boosting your bullshit argument for the banning of firearms. Why do you hate America and the constitution stormfront?

 

[UncleBuck]

oh look the Wikipedia warrior strikes again - not boosting your bullshit argument for the banning of firearms.

i am not making an argument to ban firearms, that much was made clear in my previous post.

but if i were to make that argument, i would point to your country as a perfect example of how people can still have firearms while mass murders are all but reduced to nil.

 

[echelon1k1]

i am not making an argument to ban firearms, that much was made clear in my previous post.

but if i were to make that argument, i would point to your country as a perfect example of how people can still have firearms while mass murders are all but reduced to nil.

LOL hypocrisy at its finest...

his country has proven that gun rights can exist while mitigating gun massacres. we could probably learn a thing or two from many other countries, that pedo island included.

your country has effectively banned guns. self defense is not even an acceptable reason for gun ownership from what i have read about your laws.

you are an idiot. hopefully chanice lets you get a gun and shoots you with it.

 

[UncleBuck]

In Sweden, every male over the age of 18 is required to accept, keep, and maintain a fully automatic assault rifle in their home.

It's illegal to own a gun in China. A guy murdered 20 something school children with a knife.

Some guy killed 8 people with a knife in a college dorm. He got away.

hey red,

care to explain why you are lying your ass off to us, or are you going to ignore me because i contradict the false reality you have constructed around yourself?

whatever you might say about the lefties on this website, you can not say that any one of them fires off such blatant lies in such rapid fashion.

you, NLXSK1, beenthere, and a few others employ this method of posting nearly exclusively.

why you gotta be like that, sistah?

i request that someone please quote this post so that red may see it, as he does not allow me to poison his delusions with mundane, factual information.

muchas gracias,

unclebuck.

 

[UncleBuck]

LOL hypocrisy at its finest...


Originally Posted by UncleBuck

[australia] has proven that gun rights can exist while mitigating gun massacres.


[australia] has effectively banned guns.

[australia is] a perfect example of how people can still have firearms while mass murders are all but reduced to nil.


you are an idiot. hopefully chanice lets you get a gun and shoots you with it.

your country has effectively banned guns in a constitutional manner, but you constantly talk about about how it is not so bad. your quotes demonstrate that perfectly. thank you for that.

you always talk about how even a remedial stooge like you may own guns, but your country has had no mass murders since they implemented very strong gun control laws following a mass murder.

i'm not sure why you feel the need to remind americans of this, they may just decide they want it, just like they probably want your socialist medicine.

i'm not even as extreme as your country is with respect to guns, and you have no problem owning guns in your country.

do you have a single fucking legitimate point i may address?

 

[echelon1k1]

your country has effectively banned guns in a constitutional manner, but you constantly talk about about how it is not so bad. your quotes demonstrate that perfectly. thank you for that.

you always talk about how even a remedial stooge like you may own guns, but your country has had no mass murders since they implemented very strong gun control laws following a mass murder.

i'm not sure why you feel the need to remind americans of this, they may just decide they want it, just like they probably want your socialist medicine.

i'm not even as extreme as your country is with respect to guns, and you have no problem owning guns in your country.

do you have a single fucking legitimate point i may address?

I've never advocated for a gun ban. I said you can still purchase high caliber weapons here but the hoops you have to jump through put many off and are to a degree unreasonable, especially in regards to getting a permit to acquire.

I'm an advocate for safe storage and responsible ownership.

Example; if Adam Lanza's mother were alive today, i would support her indictment on charges of criminal negligence in relation to how easily accessible she made firearms within her home. Manslaughter by criminal negligence would even be appropriate - one count for each of the deceased.

Even with gun control implemented here in 1996, mass murders still occur. 2002 we had a uni shooting in Melbourne, 2 killed and 5 wounded. Gun control doesn't work

 

[UncleBuck]

you can still purchase high caliber weapons here but the hoops you have to jump through put many off

good. as i stated earlier, deterrence is good, especially for mass murdering types. background checks, permits, etc. deter mass murderers from getting guns.

I'm an advocate for safe storage and responsible ownership.

good. as i stated earlier, prevention is good, especially for mass murdering types. safe storage and responsible ownership prevent mass murderers from getting guns.

if Adam Lanza's mother were alive today, i would support her indictment on charges of criminal negligence in relation to how easily accessible she made firearms within her home. Manslaughter by criminal negligence would even be appropriate - one count for each of the deceased.

good. i agree. such laws would not PREVENT ALL mass murders, but they might prevent one or two.

one less classroom full of dead children is worth the cost of a gun safe or well constructed and secure cabinet. just one.

Even with gun control implemented here in 1996, mass murders still occur. 2002 we had a uni shooting in Melbourne, 2 killed and 5 wounded. Gun control doesn't work

2 killed is barely a mass murder. if that is the best example you have, i can match it with 5-10 examples here from just within the last week. maybe just yesterday. doesn't matter what day.

your country does indeed prove that common sense gun control works. i would still say your country goes too far though, since our second amendment and culture simply would not embrace your successes. so i can not advocate for it, since such an endeavor would be pointless.

i will argue for much lesser measures instead. background checks, safe storage, responsible ownership, and i will nibble around the edges of a high capacity magazine limit of 10-15. that is about all our second amendment will allow, and all any SCOTUS would agree on.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

how many times has a mass murderer used a bat and got away, red?



a google search for "guy killed 8 people with a knife in a college dorm" came up with NOTHING. the closest i could find was this.

http://americablog.com/2013/04/texas-knife-attack-college-lone-star.html

Earlier today, a Lone Star College student brought a knife, not a gun, onto the college’s CyFair campus and stabbed, but didn’t shoot, at least fourteen people.

Local authorities have taken a 21 year old man into custody; he is currently the only suspected attacker. There are no suspected shooters. Two people are in critical condition, none are dead.



strike 3 red.

your ability to deny reality as we know it is clearly a right wing trait.




you have literally zero room to speak right now. three lies tonight alone.

just WOW.

More violence is okay as long as it doesn't result in death. More rapes are okay as long as there's no death. As long as there's no death, you seem like it's not a big deal.

People when they go through an attack, whether violent and/or sexual often wish they were dead.

When you decrease death, people tend to do more of the lesser crimes at a higher level of lesser crimes.

The reason is when people do hand to hand crimes, it's more intimate like El Tiberon says. While a gun is more professional and you can have a get your shit and be gone.

They both have their pros and cons. While it makes it easier to kill, you're less likely to injure with a gun during a crime. Whereas you need to get up close with a knife. Therefore you're more likely to have to "smack your victim up."

 

[Canna Sylvan]

how many times has a mass murderer used a bat and got away, red?



a google search for "guy killed 8 people with a knife in a college dorm" came up with NOTHING. the closest i could find was this.

http://americablog.com/2013/04/texas-knife-attack-college-lone-star.html

Earlier today, a Lone Star College student brought a knife, not a gun, onto the college’s CyFair campus and stabbed, but didn’t shoot, at least fourteen people.

Local authorities have taken a 21 year old man into custody; he is currently the only suspected attacker. There are no suspected shooters. Two people are in critical condition, none are dead.



strike 3 red.

your ability to deny reality as we know it is clearly a right wing trait.




you have literally zero room to speak right now. three lies tonight alone.

just WOW.

More violence is okay as long as it doesn't result in death. More rapes are okay as long as there's no death. As long as there's no death, you seem like it's not a big deal.

People when they go through an attack, whether violent and/or sexual often wish they were dead.

When you decrease death, people tend to do more of the lesser crimes at a higher level of lesser crimes.

The reason is when people do hand to hand crimes, it's more intimate like El Tiberon says. While a gun is more professional and you can have a get your shit and be gone.

They both have their pros and cons. While it makes it easier to kill, you're less likely to injure with a gun during a crime. Whereas you need to get up close with a knife. Therefore you're more likely to have to "smack your victim up."

 

[ChesusRice]

There was an incident not long ago where the police, who trained regularly at their range wound up shooting at least two innocent people. The police have about a 40 or 50 percent chance of hitting their targets in a real shooting situation. And you want people who maybe - MAYBE go to the range once or twice a year to be shooting at people? let alone the legal tangle involved in civilians not defending simply themselves - but other groups of people from a mass shooter?

I dont think you understand. The carnage would of been less if everyone in that theater in Aurora, Colorado was packing guns. I mean think of it. A dark crowded theater with a couple hundred people with guns


NEW YORK -- A laid-off clothing designer fatally shot an executive at his former company outside the Empire State Building on Friday, setting off a chaotic showdown with police in front of one of the world's best-known landmarks. Officers killed the gunman and at least nine others suffered minor wounds, likely all of them by stray police gunfire, authorities said.NEW YORK -- A laid-off clothing designer fatally shot an executive at his former company outside the Empire State Building on Friday, setting off a chaotic showdown with police in front of one of the world's best-known landmarks. Officers killed the gunman and at least nine others suffered minor wounds, likely all of them by stray police gunfire, authorities said.