Why do you reject the theory of evolution?

[Heisenberg]

"φ, the golden ratio, and the Fibonacci series are mathematically interesting and do have natural manifestations. That doesn't mean everything, or even anything else, is based on them. The popularity and "big name" of the "divine proportion" has been the real driver of its pseudoscientific assignment to just about anything and everything. Those whose brains' pattern-matching software is in overdrive have probably heard of the golden ratio, and so it's the one they think of whenever they see a rectangle, or a great work of art (like the Mona Lisa, which is not based on the golden ratio), or patterns in the stock market (which don't exist at all, let alone at the golden ratio), or in the numerology of the Bible (unless any other number is allowed to be considered just as significant). Not every claim about the golden ratio is the result of hyperactive pattern matching, but most are. At a minimum, such a claim is always a good tipoff that you should be skeptical."

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4325

 

[burgertime2010]

The missing link is indeed a lie, it has never and will never be found. Every time some scientist tries to claim it, it turns out to either be a hoax like piltdown man or some other mistake.
Science wants to BE GOD , much like Doctors , there is no missing link in the fossil record , in fact ti doesnt exist.
Looking at it from a creationist standpoint, If the Bible is correct and mankind chose to believe they can be like God as the serpent tempted Eve, yes we are thousands of years removed from our original human birth parents , makes perfect sense.

Science is a lie in many cases. The sell pills instead of better diet , they crave notoriety and fame, many are unhappy and if creationism is mentioned , the scientific community has a tendency to try and destroy that person, and thats a cold hard FACT.

I am sorry, you are a rare species these days. The question is where to start? The creationism idea comes with a bible attached full of myths you believe on faith? If god created man and man created science that is evil then what? When were dinosaurs invented and destroyed? Science does not lie, people do. Faith is nothing but a celebration of the lack of critical thought. Science pre-dates big business and can be practiced by anyone.

 

[thump easy]

"φ, the golden ratio, and the Fibonacci series are mathematically interesting and do have natural manifestations. That doesn't mean everything, or even anything else, is based on them. The popularity and "big name" of the "divine proportion" has been the real driver of its pseudoscientific assignment to just about anything and everything. Those whose brains' pattern-matching software is in overdrive have probably heard of the golden ratio, and so it's the one they think of whenever they see a rectangle, or a great work of art (like the Mona Lisa, which is not based on the golden ratio), or patterns in the stock market (which don't exist at all, let alone at the golden ratio), or in the numerology of the Bible (unless any other number is allowed to be considered just as significant). Not every claim about the golden ratio is the result of hyperactive pattern matching, but most are. At a minimum, such a claim is always a good tipoff that you should be skeptical."

[video=youtube_share;nxDGbHG5abw]http://youtu.be/nxDGbHG5abw[/video]

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4325

no but this video is a great example.. this one is pritty cool too and not as long he talks about the golden ratio, lolz my real name is ratio

 

[thump easy]

but i still say this explains it better!!!!!![video=youtube_share;eM0SvzdbsXA]http://youtu.be/eM0SvzdbsXA[/video]listen to the words those are my exzact thoughts.. but for realz im not all hear.. so dont pay attention its best.. let me do my thing.. continue on thats just me thow... Its all complicated gee thats just me!!!

 

[thump easy]

[video=youtube_share;294inCu4olo]http://youtu.be/294inCu4olo[/video]know im just being stoopid sorry i love these guys..its a sabotage.. i do believe in god that just me.. and i know thier is an energy against it and me...

 

[Someacdude]

This is very convoluted , can you try and make it simpler for me because i have no idea what you mean.
Science predates the Bible? Faith? What is science / evolution except faith? Yes science IS a religion.
The bible full of myth? Really, the same book that said the earth was round thousands of years ago? The same one with an unparalleled record for proving prophecy? The same one that makes perfect sense IF YOU READ IT.
let me guess, whats next, how the earth was created in 6 days and the derision that comes along with people WHO DO NOT READ IT?
A day to god is like a thousand to us, yes thats in the bible, dinosaurs? Huh? Whats are you trying to say?

Im willing to bet those who hold the bible inderision do so out of either selfishness or because they where hurt by one of gods so called messengers ie the electrric church or someone else supposedly following christian princepals . The bible is very clear that there are some who 'have a form of godly devotion but prove false to its power'

I find it very dissapointing when people make up their mind BEFORE reading BOTH SIDES. Of course the Bible has been dug through the mud by many many evil people over the centurys and made to look bad. But find a more accurate document that retells history warts and all.

I am sorry, you are a rare species these days. The question is where to start? The creationism idea comes with a bible attached full of myths you believe on faith? If god created man and man created science that is evil then what? When were dinosaurs invented and destroyed? Science does not lie, people do. Faith is nothing but a celebration of the lack of critical thought. Science pre-dates big business and can be practiced by anyone.

 

[burgertime2010]

This is very convoluted , can you try and make it simpler for me because i have no idea what you mean.
Science predates the Bible? Faith? What is science / evolution except faith? Yes science IS a religion.
The bible full of myth? Really, the same book that said the earth was round thousands of years ago? The same one with an unparalleled record for proving prophecy? The same one that makes perfect sense IF YOU READ IT.
let me guess, whats next, how the earth was created in 6 days and the derision that comes along with people WHO DO NOT READ IT?
A day to god is like a thousand to us, yes thats in the bible, dinosaurs? Huh? Whats are you trying to say?

Im willing to bet those who hold the bible inderision do so out of either selfishness or because they where hurt by one of gods so called messengers ie the electrric church or someone else supposedly following christian princepals . The bible is very clear that there are some who 'have a form of godly devotion but prove false to its power'

I find it very dissapointing when people make up their mind BEFORE reading BOTH SIDES. Of course the Bible has been dug through the mud by many many evil people over the centurys and made to look bad. But find a more accurate document that retells history warts and all.

I apologize if you believe a childrens book and believe anyone who doesn't to be evil or selfish. Faith is believing in Jonah living in a fish for days, or virgin birth, or walking on water. You also do not recognize that many very similar religions predated Christianity and the Gospels were written by men 400 years after Christ. They are no more accurate than your memory of a time you were not there to recall. The Bible causes more death and despair than any document ever written, it is to subjugate the masses, and inhibit the wonder and curiousity that we are born into as humans.

 

[joe macclennan]

This is very convoluted , can you try and make it simpler for me because i have no idea what you mean.
Science predates the Bible? Faith? What is science / evolution except faith? Yes science IS a religion.
The bible full of myth? Really, the same book that said the earth was round thousands of years ago? The same one with an unparalleled record for proving prophecy? The same one that makes perfect sense IF YOU READ IT.
let me guess, whats next, how the earth was created in 6 days and the derision that comes along with people WHO DO NOT READ IT?
A day to god is like a thousand to us, yes thats in the bible, dinosaurs? Huh? Whats are you trying to say?

Im willing to bet those who hold the bible inderision do so out of either selfishness or because they where hurt by one of gods so called messengers ie the electrric church or someone else supposedly following christian princepals . The bible is very clear that there are some who 'have a form of godly devotion but prove false to its power'

I find it very dissapointing when people make up their mind BEFORE reading BOTH SIDES. Of course the Bible has been dug through the mud by many many evil people over the centurys and made to look bad. But find a more accurate document that retells history warts and all.

what exactly is the bible?

other than a book of stories interpreted and translated so many times no one can be certain if these things ever happened or not.

and I was raised christian, and a confirmed methodist. So I am quite aware of both sides.

while I may not be an expert on either subject, rational reasoning outweighs a book of stories.....that is all.

 

[Someacdude]

I apologize if you believe this, that is also not what i said.
You evidently hate the Bible , you have made your choice, however. Put words in my mouth one more time and i will have to put you on ignore, im sorry but in order to scren out hateful people, thats just what i do.
The Bible was written by men inspired by God, a written record was not required at first because?????? There where not that many people on earth yet, You find it just fine that so many writers kept the same theme over thousands of years?


The Bible causes more death and despair than any document ever written, it is to subjugate the masses, and inhibit the wonder and curiousity that we are born into as humans.

No evil people may use anything, im guessing Albert Einstien is then a evil mass murder who only wanted to subjugate the masses.

If you have no interest in discussing this please let me know, heres one of my favorite scriptures.2 timmothy 2:23 Avoid foolish and thoughtless discussions, since you know that they produce conflicts.
See, maybe someone here really want to know why a person believes the bible, maybe they want to know without all the hatred and nonsense.
Seriously, i dont hunt down scientific threads and just bash and disrespect , are you serious in your belief or just want to be right?

I apologize if you believe a childrens book and believe anyone who doesn't to be evil or selfish. Faith is believing in Jonah living in a fish for days, or virgin birth, or walking on water. You also do not recognize that many very similar religions predated Christianity and the Gospels were written by men 400 years after Christ. They are no more accurate than your memory of a time you were not there to recall. The Bible causes more death and despair than any document ever written, it is to subjugate the masses, and inhibit the wonder and curiousity that we are born into as humans.

 

[Someacdude]

other than a book of stories interpreted and translated so many times no one can be certain if these things ever happened or not.

and I was raised christian, and a confirmed methodist. So I am quite aware of both sides.

while I may not be an expert on either subject, rational reasoning outweighs a book of stories.....that is all.

what exactly is the bible? An accurate historical document even used by scientists , perhaps many have never been enlightened but the discovery of the Roseta Stone actually backed up many things previously not believed by many. Also the historian Josephus was flat out called a biblical fraud, as if he never existed , was identified by back up scrolls. Seriously, if the science was honest , it would give credit where credit is due, instead they enslave others with there own twisted thinking.

Question , how many here have read the Bible cover to cover, even once? See most never ever do, they rely on someone else methodist, whatever to TELL THEM WHATS IN IT. In other words, you dont really know whats in the bible, story, myth? How would anyone who has never read the entire little book ever know.
btw, the king James version has over 1200 errors in it and is by far the most accurate, a gift in a dark world at the time, but not a myth.

It wasnt so long ago people where being burnt at the stake for even owning one, why, because evil people wanted power instead of humbly doing gods will, and repeat, and repeat and repeat,,,the only reason it works today is because even though its available no one reads it.

Hating the Bible because what religion has done in its name is again about as smart as hating science for what its done, high fruitcose corn syrup is one of the biggest killers of all

 

[Nevaeh420]

I believe its possible that the aliens genetically engineered humans, maybe hundeds of thousands of years ago, or maybe millions of years ago. That could be why we are so unique compared to the rest of the animal kingdom, and sanctified as a new and advanced species.

Im not saying its fact, but it is possible that aliens engineered our DNA.

Im just saying.

~PEACE~

 

[burgertime2010]

I apologize if you believe this, that is also not what i said.
You evidently hate the Bible , you have made your choice, however. Put words in my mouth one more time and i will have to put you on ignore, im sorry but in order to scren out hateful people, thats just what i do.
The Bible was written by men inspired by God, a written record was not required at first because?????? There where not that many people on earth yet, You find it just fine that so many writers kept the same theme over thousands of years?


The Bible causes more death and despair than any document ever written, it is to subjugate the masses, and inhibit the wonder and curiousity that we are born into as humans.

No evil people may use anything, im guessing Albert Einstien is then a evil mass murder who only wanted to subjugate the masses.

If you have no interest in discussing this please let me know, heres one of my favorite scriptures.2 timmothy 2:23 Avoid foolish and thoughtless discussions, since you know that they produce conflicts.
See, maybe someone here really want to know why a person believes the bible, maybe they want to know without all the hatred and nonsense.
Seriously, i dont hunt down scientific threads and just bash and disrespect , are you serious in your belief or just want to be right?

If you are offended I do apologize...our world views are simply different to a degree that I get fired up. You are free to ignore, and just be aware that the scriptures and politics are passionate places.....you are going to elicit conflicts. My beliefs are honest, and you can't be right in terms of religion.

 

[Zaehet Strife]

I apologize if you believe this, that is also not what i said.
You evidently hate the Bible , you have made your choice, however. Put words in my mouth one more time and i will have to put you on ignore, im sorry but in order to scren out hateful people, thats just what i do.
The Bible was written by men inspired by God, a written record was not required at first because?????? There where not that many people on earth yet, You find it just fine that so many writers kept the same theme over thousands of years?


The Bible causes more death and despair than any document ever written, it is to subjugate the masses, and inhibit the wonder and curiousity that we are born into as humans.

No evil people may use anything, im guessing Albert Einstien is then a evil mass murder who only wanted to subjugate the masses.

If you have no interest in discussing this please let me know, heres one of my favorite scriptures.2 timmothy 2:23 Avoid foolish and thoughtless discussions, since you know that they produce conflicts.
See, maybe someone here really want to know why a person believes the bible, maybe they want to know without all the hatred and nonsense.
Seriously, i dont hunt down scientific threads and just bash and disrespect , are you serious in your belief or just want to be right?

Really, you wanna talk bible verses? Bro... have you even ever READ the fuckin bible???

(Judges 21:10-24 NLT)
So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

(Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)
They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.

(Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.




I can keep going, and going, and going, the bible is FUCKED UP! If you have ever even picked up the thing and read it in its entirety, you may have a grasp on just how fucked up that book really is.

 

[Someacdude]

If you are offended I do apologize...our world views are simply different to a degree that I get fired up. You are free to ignore, and just be aware that the scriptures and politics are passionate places.....you are going to elicit conflicts. My beliefs are honest, and you can't be right in terms of religion.

Got nothing but love for ya bro.
As someone who really tries to be a christian im even more at odds with what has been done to a gift from God, by evil men who use it for their ow uses, it has enslaved millions in their hands.
Believe it or not the trinity , tithing, and NONE of the holidays today are condoned by scripture , in fact they are rooted i false religion. When the rcc decided to enslave people years ago they let just about anyone into their church and allowed them to bring in their pagan practices, therefore a fertility rite became easter, fear of the dead became all hallows / Halloween and on and on, google any major religions holiday and find their roots.

I hate false religion as much as anyone, but i love the bible , it realy is worth a read, it can be like Shakespeare a bit because things where written for that common tongue and it takes a bit of research to find out what its meaning is , take care.

 

[Someacdude]

Old testament taken totally out of context, you i feel sorry for, or whoever did this to you.

Really, you wanna talk bible verses? Bro... have you even ever READ the fuckin bible???

(Judges 21:10-24 NLT)
So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

(Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)
They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.

(Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.




I can keep going, and going, and going, the bible is FUCKED UP! If you have ever even picked up the thing and read it in its entirety, you may have a grasp on just how fucked up that book really is.

 

[Someacdude]

Old testament taken totally out of context, you i feel sorry for, or whoever did this to you.
Sorry, but lifes to short to spend it talking to someone as hateful and unenlightened as you, nothing good would come from it. If you can show even 1/4th the respect i do in my posts maybe we can talk, otherwise i will have to place you on ignore, again not out of malice, but really, i wouldnt let you talk to me in person that way, im not going to let you talk to me on here that way, fair enough?

We can take apart each scripture one by one, just not here, this is about evolution

Really, you wanna talk bible verses? Bro... have you even ever READ the fuckin bible???

(Judges 21:10-24 NLT)
So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

(Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)
They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.

(Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.




I can keep going, and going, and going, the bible is FUCKED UP! If you have ever even picked up the thing and read it in its entirety, you may have a grasp on just how fucked up that book really is.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Based on what criteria?

Based on the fact that creationism/intelligent design isn't science, it's religion, and religion doesn't belong in any scientific or academic setting unless it's viewed in a historical context

Imagine a person at the helm of scientific endeavour using terms like 'destroy' to describe a task. It is no longer about science and more about mentality.

You used the word first, I was being consistent. Would you rather I said "anyone who espouses creationism/intelligent design should have their ideas tested using the scientific method"? They have, every one of them, hundreds of times... and yet they persist. In my opinion, these thoroughly disproved ideas stick around because religion is a heated subject and not many people other than Hitchens, Dawkins and that circle are strong enough in their beliefs to stand up against them. So when people like William Lane Craig or Ken Hamm get their ass handed to them in a debate, I think the word "destroy" is very applicable

I agree with pretty much all of that, however, I can find no logical conclusion that would allow for our species, ALONE, to develop the ability to understand and manipulate fire when we did.

It just doesn't make sense.

Compare any biological species within a genus and you find that the intelligence levels are relatively streamlined, as is the use of tools, if any. This shows that nature is a lazy bitch that likes to repeat herself, and this repetition is also reflected in the cosmos, as evidenced by the multitude of stars and galaxies that share many of the same characteristics. Why did OUR species deviate from the "norms" found in nature when we came from the very same nature that produced everything else?

Polar bears, hell, BEARS developed fat layers and fur to keep warm. That makes sense and jives with everything else in nature. Humans, however, developed clothing and the use of fire instead. That's not natural, and no other species on the planet took that route. That intellectual and technological leap just seems far too large to be "natural", as no other species took that same route, or has taken it since.

The seemingly "exceptional" route our species has taken seems way, way, WAY out of place compared with our peers in the animal kingdom, and it is this "exceptionalism" that leads me to believe that evolution is only PART of the story concerning our species.

Granted, I could very well be giving our species FAR more credit than we deserve concerning "intelligence", but it seems to me that we are the proverbial square peg on a planet of round holes.

This is all a matter of perspective. Intelligence was our niche, it's what worked for us so no surprise it continues to increase as more time passes, right? We weeded out all the natural competition so resources were abundant. Take our species back just 12,000 years and we're right there next to our ape cousins, likely with no written language, no agriculture, simple hunter gatherers. A lot of time has passed, plenty of time for us to advance to where we are today. The stories organized religions tell are so much more fantastical and inconsistent with reality than what the actual model suggests happened

Science is not a tool, its BIG BUSINESS, its also man kinds excuse for so many evil deeds.

Science was around long before capitalism. It is a tool, just like I could use a hammer to nail in a nail, you could use that exact same hammer to bash someones head in with, you blaming science for creating the atom bomb is like you blaming the hammer for bashing the guys skull in

And your argument is ,,,,nothing? Just a vague rebuttal of someone elses view, kinda like,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,evolution?
I didnt come up with the missing link, and if that fairy tale has been proven wrong what did they come up with next? The big bang.

Lets do an experiment.
Go into your grow room and explode every seed one at a time , get back to me on what percentage became 'alive' oh yeah, first ,,,,,make your own seeds out of nothing.
Ignorance indeed.

Why do you claim the theory of evolution is wrong when you don't understand the basics of how it works?

Faith? What is science / evolution except faith? Yes science IS a religion.

Science is the exact opposite of organized religion by its definition, religion requires faith, science requires evidence

The bible full of myth? Really, the same book that said the earth was round thousands of years ago? The same one with an unparalleled record for proving prophecy? The same one that makes perfect sense IF YOU READ IT.
let me guess, whats next, how the earth was created in 6 days and the derision that comes along with people WHO DO NOT READ IT?
A day to god is like a thousand to us, yes thats in the bible, dinosaurs? Huh? Whats are you trying to say?

The bible says the Earth is a circle, not "round" (Isaiah 40:22), there has never been a single successfully fulfilled prophecy as described by the bible, the bible makes sense to bronze age societies in the cultural context. It does not make sense in a global 21st century world. If you lived your life according to the rules of the Bible today, you would be locked up in federal prison, so who is right, "God", or the US judicial system?

Im willing to bet those who hold the bible inderision do so out of either selfishness or because they where hurt by one of gods so called messengers ie the electrric church or someone else supposedly following christian princepals . The bible is very clear that there are some who 'have a form of godly devotion but prove false to its power'

I find it very dissapointing when people make up their mind BEFORE reading BOTH SIDES. Of course the Bible has been dug through the mud by many many evil people over the centurys and made to look bad. But find a more accurate document that retells history warts and all.

"The fastest way to become an atheist is to read the Bible"

 

[thump easy]

i love the bible its very hard to follow directions!!

 

[Someacdude]

I cant believe how much you got right and how much you got right, pretty interesting , your mind works
Yes residing above the circle of the earth is the closest translation however the meaning is still clear.
My claim that evolution is a flat out lie, Darwin himself doubted it later in life .
Many of the things that would 'land you in jail' where the law of the land remember the mosaic law as written as a tutor leading up to the Christ an imperfectly implemented law implemented by imperfect men.
Sorry i dont multi quote well

Based on the fact that creationism/intelligent design isn't science, it's religion, and religion doesn't belong in any scientific or academic setting unless it's viewed in a historical context



You used the word first, I was being consistent. Would you rather I said "anyone who espouses creationism/intelligent design should have their ideas tested using the scientific method"? They have, every one of them, hundreds of times... and yet they persist. In my opinion, these thoroughly disproved ideas stick around because religion is a heated subject and not many people other than Hitchens, Dawkins and that circle are strong enough in their beliefs to stand up against them. So when people like William Lane Craig or Ken Hamm get their ass handed to them in a debate, I think the word "destroy" is very applicable



This is all a matter of perspective. Intelligence was our niche, it's what worked for us so no surprise it continues to increase as more time passes, right? We weeded out all the natural competition so resources were abundant. Take our species back just 12,000 years and we're right there next to our ape cousins, likely with no written language, no agriculture, simple hunter gatherers. A lot of time has passed, plenty of time for us to advance to where we are today. The stories organized religions tell are so much more fantastical and inconsistent with reality than what the actual model suggests happened



Science was around long before capitalism. It is a tool, just like I could use a hammer to nail in a nail, you could use that exact same hammer to bash someones head in with, you blaming science for creating the atom bomb is like you blaming the hammer for bashing the guys skull in



Why do you claim the theory of evolution is wrong when you don't understand the basics of how it works?



Science is the exact opposite of organized religion by its definition, religion requires faith, science requires evidence



The bible says the Earth is a circle, not "round" (Isaiah 40:22), there has never been a single successfully fulfilled prophecy as described by the bible, the bible makes sense to bronze age societies in the cultural context. It does not make sense in a global 21st century world. If you lived your life according to the rules of the Bible today, you would be locked up in federal prison, so who is right, "God", or the US judicial system?



"The fastest way to become an atheist is to read the Bible"

 

[Flaming Pie]

Science is simply a tool we use to explain the world, it doesn't (and can't) "want" anything

Anyone who espouses creationism in a professional or academic setting should be destroyed, just like anyone who denied the holocaust

woah...

did you even read what yo posted there?