Zero intrest in Greenhouse Seeds

I sure hope you’re wearing a helmet,

albsure said:

So what if he gives them some seeds. It's not as if they are going to stop growing the thousands of acres of the indigenous strains. Maybe he thought they could grow some of his and help them with their yields so then can make a few more bucks. Ever thought of that? Probably not. So your FACT is in dispute.

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Actually, my fact, which you quoted and yet somehow did not read was that his hybrid feminized seeds will water down the local natural landrace varieties. And yes that is a fact. Go read about how Landraces because you obviously do not understand the term.

albsure said:

As far as the childish arguments over who bred what when; really? Who cares about any of that BS now. If two guys were in business together then both people own the product. That's business. Also were you there and do you know who said and did what about a particular strain? Do you know if Arjan made any suggestions about breeding some of those strains? Knowing him as well as you appear to then you know he is a pretty opinionated guy with a strong personality. Right? So don't you think he probably had quite a bit of input about what was going on in his own company?

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Want to know who still cares? Anyone that actually cares about the genetics behind what they are growing. Any asshole can cross two strains and call it white widow, that doesn’t mean you’re getting white widow. And yes, they were in business together, Shanti and Neville were breeders, while Arjan headed up the business and marketing side. I know that Arjan is as much of a breeder as you are. Again any asshole can cross two strains, that doesn’t make them a breeder. You probably heard Arjan talk about how he revolutionized HID lighting and give him credit for that as well? I think he had very little input actually since he wasn’t a breeder. And it wasn’t just HIS company, as Shanti was a 50% owner of GHSC until he sold his claim to Arjan.

albsure said:

If you want to get into a he said, he said debate then you get nowhere because if you weren't there yourself then you don't know and no else knows but the parties that were there. If you are going with one guys' side of the story then you are a fool because you're basing your judgment on half the story. That would be like going to a trial and the judge lets only the defense side of the story be heard and then bases his judgment on that alone. If he did that you'd say he used used poor judgement wouldn't you? Of course you would.

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This isn’t exactly some random opinion formed overnight. Please try to understand that the cannabis world was in full swing long before you discovered it. And if you honestly think that my opinion is based simply on one guys story, then you sir are the fool. My opinion is based on years and years worth of watching Arjan change his stories in interviews over the years, or make flat out false claims, my opinion is based his on ever changing strain lineage and descriptions, my opinion is based on also ever changing stories on the history of “his” company, as well as his ever changing stories in regards to him and Shanti. My opinion is based on the fact that Shanti’s story has NEVER changed over the years.

albsure said:

So Arjan was caught trying to give somebody a few bucks to check out his products and remember them come judging time. I'm sure he's the first guy and only guy ever to do that. Right? In the pot business no less. Are you fucking kidding me? If you think he is the only guy in the pot business who has tried and succeeded in giving others a little (incentive) to put out a good word for their products, you're extremely naive. And what was that 15 years ago? Get over it. GHSC has put out a lot of great product since then and have been recognized for it.

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Not exactly. Arjan was caught bribing CC judges. And because he was caught, he was not allowed to enter into the cup that year. I’m sure bribery happens, but I can’t name another breeder that was ever not allowed to enter as a punishment for attempting to buy the conetest. If he wasn’t such a scum bag he would have been at his booth giving away free cannabis for people to smoke instead of cash to judges. He knows that noobs out there still think the CC is something more than recognition for how many adds you buy in hightimes, and that a win will boost his sales with the above mentioned noobs. Oh, and no, GHSC has not put out a lot of great product since Shanti and Neville left. And when Franco can finally leave Arjan, Arjan will be fucked without a breeder all over again.

albsure said:

So since I had done my research well before I happened upon your dearth of knowledge I was well aware of what I was talking about. I just happened to use good judgement to come to my conclusions, whereas you used here-say, poor judgment, immaturity, rumor and naivete. Just because Arjan doesn't get into an open online back and forth argument over who did what and who said what way back when, with an old business partner, is obviously because he figured he had better things to do running his successful business. It's not that he doesn't have his side of the story he simply chose to move on and leave the past in the past. Since GHSC is the most successful seed co. in the world I don't think there is any need for them to start a walmart. He clearly knows what he is doing in his extremely successful mj seed business.

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Oh yes clearly you’re research skills are unmatched.
Are you mentally retarded? You’re “good judgement” is based strictly on your own assumptions and absolutely nothing at all with facts. And yes Arjan has talked about it (so much for your “research&#8221, the reason Arjan stopped talking about it was because he couldn’t keep his story straight and was beginning to look like a complete jack ass. However I will agree with you in saying that Arjan is a brilliant business man that knows how to make a dollar.
Again I’ll copy this since you’re again accusing me of arriving at my opinion based on hearsay, this isn’t exactly some random opinion formed overnight. Please try to understand that the cannabis world was in full swing long before you discovered it. And if you honestly think that my opinion is based simply on one guys story, then you sir are the fool. My opinion is based on years and years worth of watching Arjan change his stories in interviews over the years, or make flat out false claims, my opinion is based his on ever changing strain lineage and descriptions, my opinion is based on also ever changing stories on the history of “his” company, as well as his ever changing stories in regards to him and Shanti. My opinion is based on the fact that Shanti’s story has NEVER changed over the years.

albsure said:

As far as naming GHSC the shadiest company in the business that's based on what? Some of your old, faded, worn out stories? You know about all the business practices of all the other seed companies and you know exactly how they behave? You need to get out there and start some businesses like I have. You'd know then that you'll have to make a lot of deals, give people special " discounts and breaks", do a lot of wheeling and dealing, do a lot of wining and dining and special favors to just keep your business afloat. Has Arjan done some things that are probably not completely above board? Sure but I guarantee you so has a whole lot of other people you just don't know about it. Life is not as black and white and as simple as you want it to be. Well guess what, that's life. If you had to keep people employed so they could feed their families and keep your business above water, you would have known these things. Next time you get all high and mighty and want to bring a guy down, use you fuckin' head and think a little bit first.

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I don’t believe I ever said they were the single worst company in the business. I may have said one of the shadiest, but that has very different implications. I have ran and maintained a business for a few years now, I understand exactly what you are saying, and at no time have I said that GH is the only company that plays in the grey area. But theres a difference between greasing somebody’s wheels to secure a future benefit and blatantly lying to your customers time and time again. Are u seriously telling me to use MY head? I came in here with facts trying tohelp you out a bit, and you responded back like an angry child simply because my facts disagreed with the conclusions you had already reached based on your factless assumptions. And while my business had a minimum amount of employees, I still can understand the situation of having the pressure on you to make sure the business does well to ensure your employees don’t lose their jobs. But that’s not what Arjan does. Lying, bribing, and taking credit for other peoples work does not secure the future of your employees, and if you think it does, I’d be fearful to hear of your other business practices. How about the next time you run off at the mouth, you actually DO some research of your own, before you make a complete jackass of yourself in public… again.

Thanks for playing, have a nice day

massah said:

He uses his regular seeds for years of genetic testing and backcrossing to stabilize strains THEN they do feminized production from those stable genetics...

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Actually Arjan doesnt do a damned thing involving breeding, hes the owner/marketer/chief bullshit artist at that pathetic excuse for a seed company.

Hes proven himself to be a liar, thief and an egotistical piece of Euro trash over the years countless times. Fuck GHSC and fuck Arjan

I dunno about you guys, but the reputation Iv heard countless times of GHSC was that their name should stand for "Grow Hermies Seed Company". Iv never grown any of their shit cos Iv heard its exactly that, complete shit.

Tried one of their freebies Lemon Sunk fem. Starved them a bit but I was very impressed with the quality. Very very icy and dank smoke.

Of course fem beans occur in nature all the time so that doesn't worry me too much but I personally would not want to breed with fem beans.

To answer the actual question, I've heard the reason Greenhouse seeds puts out all Fem seeds is because they don't have the original genetics of the "famous" lines they're selling anymore.

They're doing fem seeds, because you can generate fem'd seeds entirely from cloned female plants without males at all.

Why don't they have the genetics? Because, as mentioned, Arjan isn't a breeder, never has been a breeder, and never created his own lines.

When Shantibaba left the company, he took all his work . . .the original genetic lines including parent strains and seeds. . .with him.

Arjan was left with just the plants he had growing at the time, and so he was forced to feminize those lines just to generate new seeds and keep the lines going. Will all feminized plants, he CANNOT generate males, and therefore CANNOT generate non-feminized seeds.

Actually not to nitpick or anything but Arjan could get males BUT he's NOT A BREEDER he's a snake oil salesman. It is possible to get a male, it just takes a lot of work and time. He could BX those clones and find males, but that takes time and skill

GreenHouseSeeds Co. IMHO is a bad Joke in the Cannabis Industry.. Neville and Shantibaba are the only reasons GHS was even relevant, and they left that boat long ago..but, can be found at Mr.nice seedbank =) only GHS gear I have ever tried was the free seeds i got...
Super Lemon Haze good..(even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and again).. not like it Shakes the Walls of your reality or anything tho
Trainwreck *seeds Gifted to me* Hermi Garbage!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tried to like GHS an grew a seed.
I smoked lemon skunk from them that was killer!
The Lemon skunk seed i grew of theirs was just awful.

I'm scared to grow the Bubba kush.
But I seen WBW Here do it great.

That's what they thought about the Snakehead fish. It won't be that bad, it's just a few fish. Now they are wiping out entire river systems from Deleware to South Carolina.

If you dont like something dont buy it. blerg... who cares

I bought GHSC seeds once, so yeah, I won't be doing that again!!!

Hmmn, I just tossed a hawaiian snow in a pot, im hoping its good, 11 weeks flowering is a little on the long side for me tho. seed cracked, and has a 1" long taproot in 3 1/2 days.

VILEPLUME said:

Haters gonna hate.

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u said that right

Love all that info from everyone , even had both sides to read good stuff. I'm in r.I. and when I got my license 1.5 yrs ago all everyone was talking about was greenhouse seeds. I wish I was in the hobby then but comming in late in the game has its adventages. With that said I've noticed the seed companies no longer put up there thc percentages anymore. It when I was looking into buying some I noticed just fem and was a big red flag to me. Ive only grown a old school cali mist and subcool's Qleaner. I've seen a lot of subs gear during and after growth dairy queen pandora's box and just so were clear I didn't get perfect plants everytime but a good enough percentage that I'm completely satisfied. Thanks for the input

ink the world said:

Actually Arjan doesnt do a damned thing involving breeding, hes the owner/marketer/chief bullshit artist at that pathetic excuse for a seed company.

Hes proven himself to be a liar, thief and an egotistical piece of Euro trash over the years countless times. Fuck GHSC and fuck Arjan

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well said..

I have had some awesome fem freebies from attitude! I grew out 5 trainwreck of ghsc 1 hermied at week 7 with a few nanners but the rest were pretty good for my first grow. Only one pheno was exceptional smoke.
My one RP OG Kush I grew out was also bad ass. Still have 5 seeds left all fem.
Subs has some sweet hybrids. Id go with chernobly if it was me or vortex. Prob gonna be my next purchase. Also check out sannies seeds.

massah said:

Arjan is a businessman...he's running his business...successful business people don't just give away their trade secrets

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After having been in three businesses I would say that the only things that might be called trade secrets, are only secret to someone totally outside the trade. They're all well known within the trade and as many as will work to the owner/owners benefit, are being used.

But the key is finding or creating a large enough niche, a group, a gathering of clientele that you can rely on for whatever reason it is that makes then your customer. If you can poach a little from others, that's gravy, but you have a targeted group of the entire market, and once you can have that, you can be well set.

...at this point in time, I too am disappointed that very very very limited regular seeds are for sale by greenhouse...

and from all the drama I witnessed I figured he stole so much that he learned to protect his own interests

SCARHOLE said:

Tried to like GHS an grew a seed.
I smoked lemon skunk from them that was killer!
The Lemon skunk seed i grew of theirs was just awful.

I'm scared to grow the Bubba kush.
But I seen WBW Here do it great.

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Don't do it. The bubba from GH seeds wasn't nearly as good as the local clones in socal.

sugarbear

Yeah I had on my hat because I knew bullshit would be raining down and you didn't disappoint. I know what landrace varieties are and no hybrid feminine seeds won't water them down. Again, because I know you are slow, all the growers of landrace strains are still and will in the future be growing those strains in huge quantities. So enough with your scare mongering.
Enough with purity of genetics crap and it is crap. Breeders, even the so called pure breeders, are mixing and breeding strains from all over the world. Doing all kinds of crazy shit to get cherry flavors or lemon flavors or larger yields or shorter growing times or greater resistance to disease. You see it all the time. Strains from India and Afghanistan mixed with strains from South America,Africa and the far east and then satvias with Indicas and back again. All this puritanical bullshit is just that, bullshit. People want dope that is easy to grow and gives them a great high. Your religious zealotry over genetic purity is your own bag and your hangup.
As I said, it was their company. They both owned, and once again because I know you are slow, everything was THEIR product. Also I need to repeat myself, Arjan has a strong personality and he is outspoken, I'm sure he had some say in what was going on in all aspects of the business. Anyone who has owned a business would know that. Also if shanti did take all the breeding stock with him when he left the company, he is a thief. He stole company property that belonged to the company. I let someone else run the production end of my business but I have a lot to say about it and so I should. If you really ran a business you would know that.
I ''discovered" the cannabis world in 1968. Was selling, growing and running dope throughout most of the seventies. Been an outdoor grower since 1971. So there is nothing new under the sun in the cannabis world to me. The same types of personalities as always. The holy roller, puritanical types existed back in the day who thought dope and everything around it was as pure as the driven snow. Then there were the practical types who did all the grunt and dirty work in order to get the holy rollers their holy smoke. Getting out there selling, dodging the man, taking the big risks and clearing the path to make things happen, the holy rollers didn't want to hear about any of that. Always the same.
So because Arjan wasn't at his booth giving out FREE dope he is a scumbag. No one should be made to give out free dope at these shows. A guy takes all the risks to grow it and has the guts to bring it to market, he should get paid. Hell the Cannabis cup is nothing but a big advertisement for the mag. High Times is like any other magazine. It's all about getting money from advertisers and companies paying money to run booths at their events. Believe me High Times is ALL about getting money. Getting your product a prize is about getting money for your company in the future. EVERYTHING about the cup is about getting money. That is why I think it is so hypocritical of High Times to censor Arjan for trying to do for his company what High Times was doing for theirs. But oh putting pressure on people to advertise and buy booth space with the unspoken, but widely known law, that if you don't pay for those things your products won't get recognized, is all above board. Right?
Again, because I know you are slow, everybody bribes, in one way or another, at these contests. Either through buying advertisements throughout the year in their magazine, wink wink you'd better advertise if you want your products remembered coming judging time, spending a ton on the mags. events, giving away product, wining and dining, you name it bribes are being paid. Arjan just happened to approach a puritanical guy at the event and offered him something and the guys sense of purity got offended. The guy was obviously naive and didn't see all the bribery which fueled the whole event. All of this you freely admit is true and yet you want to hold that against Arjan for playing the game by all the unspoken rules. I'm sure High Times found themselves in an awkward position with this judge who was making this big stink and they had to appease him by leaving GHSC products out of the competition. Again if you hold this against Arjan you're naive and a fool.
Really, all of Arjan's changing stories? Please show links to all of these changing stories, as if it really mattered anyway. Which it doesn't. Again more of the he said, he said bullshit. Nobody really gives a shit anymore. People want to be able to grow good dope cheaply and easily. Does GHSC offer some really good products to enable people to do that? Yep it sure does. So all of that historical stuff, that happened 15-20 years ago, that is disputed by both sides, is meaningless, as it should be, to people who have their priorities straight and just want to grow good dope.
Am I retarded? I guess so because I'm not caught up in the past and I'm not all upset about some argument between two guys who used to run a business together 15 years ago. I'm also not upset because Arjan might have been asked a question about the genetic history of one of the many many strains his company brought to market and he may have gotten one stage of the lineage confused with another one. Who knows maybe he was interviewed at a show and he was higher than a kite. Pot has been known to cause short term memory loss. You have heard of that right? It's hard to remember all of that stuff all the time. All of these old stale arguments for not buying his products are just, well ,weird. Who cares about all this nerdy crap? I guess I'm retarded because I don't.
Hey you buy some of his seeds and you think they are crap, you contact his company and he won't make it right, then bash him and stay away from his products. All of these other reasons though are really just nerdy and weird. Ooooh his genetics are not pure, Shanti baby, Shantibaba-what the fuck is that, a stage name?- whines better than he does, he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar a long long time ago, and he is the only one ever to do anything like that, so he should never be forgiven or understood and he should always be bashed. You are all caught up in the cult of personalities. People don't care about this bs, they just want to grow good dope.
Grow up, act like an adult and use some understanding of human nature and human behavior. I know that is hard for a child to do that and maybe you should wait some years to grow up so you can do that but you won't. You'll get back on here with all your nerdy arguments and continue to bash a guy who has more balls than you will ever have. Props to you Arjan for having the balls to stick your neck out and take real chances for many years.
So my advice is try his stuff, if you like it fine if you don't fine but don't stay away from it based on some stale, old, weird and nerdy reasons. I love his Hawaiian Snow by the way. Great stuff. Although maybe you should stay away from it because Shanti may have breathed on it at one point way back in it's genetic history and some judge may have, shhh don't tell, been given a free taste of it at a show along with a free t-shirt. Then if that can be proven you should definitely not grow it or smoke it. Even worse would be if Arjan doesn't get the genetic history exactly correct in an interview; then by all means run from this strain! Good Lord how awful.
I'm done with this silliness and won't read or respond to anything posted after it. It's already very tiresome. Grow some good dope, smoke, be happy and don't worry about all the sideline, cult of personality, puritanical, bullshit.

JCashman said:

I sure hope you’re wearing a helmet,


Actually, my fact, which you quoted and yet somehow did not read was that his hybrid feminized seeds will water down the local natural landrace varieties. And yes that is a fact. Go read about how Landraces because you obviously do not understand the term.


Want to know who still cares? Anyone that actually cares about the genetics behind what they are growing. Any asshole can cross two strains and call it white widow, that doesn’t mean you’re getting white widow. And yes, they were in business together, Shanti and Neville were breeders, while Arjan headed up the business and marketing side. I know that Arjan is as much of a breeder as you are. Again any asshole can cross two strains, that doesn’t make them a breeder. You probably heard Arjan talk about how he revolutionized HID lighting and give him credit for that as well? I think he had very little input actually since he wasn’t a breeder. And it wasn’t just HIS company, as Shanti was a 50% owner of GHSC until he sold his claim to Arjan.




This isn’t exactly some random opinion formed overnight. Please try to understand that the cannabis world was in full swing long before you discovered it. And if you honestly think that my opinion is based simply on one guys story, then you sir are the fool. My opinion is based on years and years worth of watching Arjan change his stories in interviews over the years, or make flat out false claims, my opinion is based his on ever changing strain lineage and descriptions, my opinion is based on also ever changing stories on the history of “his” company, as well as his ever changing stories in regards to him and Shanti. My opinion is based on the fact that Shanti’s story has NEVER changed over the years.


Not exactly. Arjan was caught bribing CC judges. And because he was caught, he was not allowed to enter into the cup that year. I’m sure bribery happens, but I can’t name another breeder that was ever not allowed to enter as a punishment for attempting to buy the conetest. If he wasn’t such a scum bag he would have been at his booth giving away free cannabis for people to smoke instead of cash to judges. He knows that noobs out there still think the CC is something more than recognition for how many adds you buy in hightimes, and that a win will boost his sales with the above mentioned noobs. Oh, and no, GHSC has not put out a lot of great product since Shanti and Neville left. And when Franco can finally leave Arjan, Arjan will be fucked without a breeder all over again.


Oh yes clearly you’re research skills are unmatched.
Are you mentally retarded? You’re “good judgement” is based strictly on your own assumptions and absolutely nothing at all with facts. And yes Arjan has talked about it (so much for your “research”), the reason Arjan stopped talking about it was because he couldn’t keep his story straight and was beginning to look like a complete jack ass. However I will agree with you in saying that Arjan is a brilliant business man that knows how to make a dollar.
Again I’ll copy this since you’re again accusing me of arriving at my opinion based on hearsay, this isn’t exactly some random opinion formed overnight. Please try to understand that the cannabis world was in full swing long before you discovered it. And if you honestly think that my opinion is based simply on one guys story, then you sir are the fool. My opinion is based on years and years worth of watching Arjan change his stories in interviews over the years, or make flat out false claims, my opinion is based his on ever changing strain lineage and descriptions, my opinion is based on also ever changing stories on the history of “his” company, as well as his ever changing stories in regards to him and Shanti. My opinion is based on the fact that Shanti’s story has NEVER changed over the years.


I don’t believe I ever said they were the single worst company in the business. I may have said one of the shadiest, but that has very different implications. I have ran and maintained a business for a few years now, I understand exactly what you are saying, and at no time have I said that GH is the only company that plays in the grey area. But theres a difference between greasing somebody’s wheels to secure a future benefit and blatantly lying to your customers time and time again. Are u seriously telling me to use MY head? I came in here with facts trying tohelp you out a bit, and you responded back like an angry child simply because my facts disagreed with the conclusions you had already reached based on your factless assumptions. And while my business had a minimum amount of employees, I still can understand the situation of having the pressure on you to make sure the business does well to ensure your employees don’t lose their jobs. But that’s not what Arjan does. Lying, bribing, and taking credit for other peoples work does not secure the future of your employees, and if you think it does, I’d be fearful to hear of your other business practices. How about the next time you run off at the mouth, you actually DO some research of your own, before you make a complete jackass of yourself in public… again.

Thanks for playing, have a nice day

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