Your best feminised seed choices and why
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nobodies
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Most of the strains I want to run right now do not come in feminized seeds. Which isn't too bad a thing, just a bit more work. Most of what I want to run is either DJ Shorts, Serious seeds, or TGA Subcools..
Tga subcools:
- Qwazy train, Conspiracy Kush, Dr. Who, Timewreck, Chernobyl, Nine pound hammer
Dj Short:
- Flo, Grape Kush, Blueberry
Serious Seeds
- Ak47, Kali Mist, Warlock, Bubblegum, White Russian
Other Misc stuff (probably comes in feminized):
Tga subcools:
- Qwazy train, Conspiracy Kush, Dr. Who, Timewreck, Chernobyl, Nine pound hammer
Dj Short:
- Flo, Grape Kush, Blueberry
Serious Seeds
- Ak47, Kali Mist, Warlock, Bubblegum, White Russian
Other Misc stuff (probably comes in feminized):
- Blackberry Headband
- Tahoe OG,
- Cindy 99
- Tangie
- Super Silver Haze
- Romulan
- Gorilla Glue #4
- Durban Poison
- Granddaddy Purp
- Lamb's Bread
superbak3d
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Regulars are better.
Stronger genetics, less chance of hermie.
Plus, you can save your male pollen and breed your own seeds.
Stronger genetics, less chance of hermie.
Plus, you can save your male pollen and breed your own seeds.
testiclees
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It seems like those claims are debatable
Ive seen it argued both ways. Do you have citations to support those conclusions? Ive never had issues with vigor or hermies.
Of course the pollen can only come from males.
These are both from femmed beans.
@nobodies I just grabbed a Grape Nightmare fem. It's sin city GDP x White Nightmare
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superbak3d
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With fem, it really does come down to buying from an extremely reputable seed bank and breeder.
There's so many junk seeds being sold these days.
Me personally, have just always been a "naturalist". I make my own seeds the way nature intended. A male and female, no forcing anything.
There's so many junk seeds being sold these days.
Me personally, have just always been a "naturalist". I make my own seeds the way nature intended. A male and female, no forcing anything.
testiclees
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Gotcha. But do you know of any science showing fems are genetically inferior to regs?
If i had a better setup, more space etc I'd like to grow more regs. My very first grow was nep jam regs from Ace. Turned out great. But i learned quickly that having to cull 50% wasn't a workable approach in my setup.
Sannie's Sugar Punch is a solid fem choice. Ive grown it many times. Never had an issue. It yields great, has a nice presentation, good strength and fragrance. Sugar Punch can go 10 weeks no problem. Madberry is another nice Sannie fem and may finish on day 56.
Kali Mist fem from Serious Seed in a breeders pack is also growing great and looks to be a solid fem selection. This is first run so I cant confirm yet.
Just getting a Sin City, Grape Nightmare germed. High hopes!
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dandyrandy
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I have some strawberry amnesia fems I love. The last one was a grape smell. The only fem I ever had Hermie was a holy power fem which I just chopped at 2 weeks. SLH, LSD, so many. I have a tang haze fem, a twisty treats fem, and another I can't remember now blooming. The Timewreck was good, taste not so much.
superbak3d
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Well yea. The science is years worth of cross breeding and genetic evolution.
You have to also consider how most breeders make fem seeds. Fem seeds are often made by forcing a female to go hermie. By doing this, there's no male genes present in the seeds, thus you'll always get females. But at the same time, you're not evolving your genetics without a male.
Seeds produced by male pollen will always have stronger genetics.
Fem and auto genetics are essentially "locked". They can't be manipulated or bred to be better. With regulars, whatever you breed will always be slightly better.
Example.
If i force my strawberry cheesecake to go hermie and grow the seeds she provides, the genetics of the new plant is unchanged.
If i pollinate her with a male, the new seeds have the genetics of both strains and will result in a different plant.
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testiclees
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Perhaps regs are required for best or any breeding practice but are fem plants inferior to regs when grown out? No i dont think so.
"The science is years worth of cross breeding and genetic evolution." those would be words. Science uses rigorous measurements and observation. When a fem and a reg are grown to perfection under controlled environments is the reg gonna be a superior plant? I've never seen this assertion demonstrated.
superbak3d
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Because it would be virtually impossible to do such a test.
A fem seed only contains a single set of DNA, regulars contain 2.
You could never do a controlled test with those variables.
But again, regulars are always a result of evolution, always. Even if the new strain is only 1% better, that's genetic evolution, and thus will always be better than a feminized version.
There are plenty of good fems available and OP has chosen to go that way. Lots of fem vs. reg threads waiting for your input if you feel the need to educate.
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Kingrow1
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Umm what happens if you cross two non related fems or two fems with diiferent traits from the same strain then....
Sensi superskunk fem, cheap, awesome and fast.
testiclees
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Again that is example of words not science.
I admit the dynamics of genetic variability isnt something i know anything about. But from experience growing all kinds of plants, if you plant a bunch of regs at least as many will be 1% worse as will be 1% better.This seems to cancel out your point.
I do take your point that there doesnt seem to be a way to make a controlled test with those specimens. Would you argue then that the best examples of all strains are gonna be regs?
This is from Dubi one of the ACE breeders
We use the same lines and similar parental plants to produce the standard version and the fem version of a strain. The goal is always to produce plants that are as close as possible to the strain description, although obviously the outcome won't be exactly the same, but in the same way sisters from same parental plants are always different, each plant from seed is unique.
Standard reproduction involves female/s pollinated by male/s while feminized reproduction involves female/s pollinated by reversed female/s. Parental plants in both cases can be similar (like sharing same mothers, etc ....) but are not exactly the same.
Anyway, the quality, vigor, potency, aromas of a line are determined by the breeding, and not by the strain format.
superbak3d
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That's called making your own strain with A and B. If A+B=C. You can grow and hermie C and sell the seeds as feminized.Umm what happens if you cross two non related fems or two fems with diiferent traits from the same strain then....
Sensi superskunk fem, cheap, awesome and fast.
or take C and breed it with D and get E. In evolution theory, E would be better than A,B,C,D.
Why spend 100s of dollars on fem seeds when you can make 1000s of seed variants for basically free?
superbak3d
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I think you misunderstand.
Every new generation of seed you produce yourself via male and female will always be better than the previous generation, even if it's only as small as a 1% difference.
Seed production should be apart of every grower's arsenal. It's stupidly easy to do and doesn't effect your female only harvests.
testiclees
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It's likely i dont understand but i'm trying.
bro by "better" you mean what exactly? why grow old school seeds if the newer versions are all better? How would they evolve more optimally if every trigger for positive mutation isn't in play?
Kingrow1
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Hmmm yes maybe but its a small point, for us small tent growers the question really seems to be will reg seeds yeild more than their counterpart in feminized seed?
Im inclined to say no and fem seeds are the weapon of choice for us small time growers who havent got room in the inn for males...
Budley Doright
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Or could it be worse depending on which genes dominate the next generation. I know shit about breeding but are not most strains back crossed with the same male typically. If your just throwing the males and females from each progressive line together would you not be just rolling the dice so in saying that would a femmed seed not offer more consistent results? But I vote White Russian femmed, very few pheno's and never fails to impress although a tad speedy.
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Budley Doright
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It's the time thing for me as well, I'm on a strain hunt, not to produce more seeds (well maybe femmed lol), but for a clone to run and dial in. I have read that femmed seeds will throw out more pheno's when forcing but not sure how that all works lol,
dandyrandy
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Hmm. Which breeder. I need to order some. I like speedy.Or could it be worse depending on which genes dominate the next generation. I know shit about breeding but are not most strains back crossed with the same male typically. If your just throwing the males and females from each progressive line together would you not be just rolling the dice so in saying that would a femmed seed not offer more consistent results? But I vote White Russian femmed, very few pheno's and never fails to impress although a tad speedy.