you have to pay $13.50 to vote in pennsylvania

ChesusRice

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It's up to me to prove or disprove your statements? That's kind of idiotic, don't you think? Numbers? "hundreds of thousands" We should just accept that? Ha! (Left wing extremist)Brennan reports merely gave maximum number of possibilities ("up to", "as many as"), inferring that would be actual amounts. Dishonest propaganda not fooling anyone but those who either want it to be true or the gullible.
In the debate over new laws meant to curb voter fraud in places like Florida, Democrats always charge that Republicans are trying to suppress the vote of liberal voting blocs like blacks and young people, while Republicans just laugh at such ludicrous and offensive accusations. That is, every Republican except for Florida’s former Republican Party chairman Jim Greer, who, scorned by his party and in deep legal trouble, blew the lid off what he claims was a systemic effort to suppress the black vote. In a 630-page deposition recorded over two days in late May, Greer, who is on trial for corruption charges, unloaded a litany of charges against the “whack-a-do, right-wing crazies” in his party, including the effort to suppress the black vote.
In the deposition, released to the press yesterday, Greer mentioned a December 2009 meeting with party officials. “I was upset because the political consultants and staff were talking about voter suppression and keeping blacks from voting,” he said, according to the Tampa Bay Times. He also said party officials discussed how “minority outreach programs were not fit for the Republican Party,” according to the AP.
 

ChesusRice

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It's up to me to prove or disprove your statements? That's kind of idiotic, don't you think? Numbers? "hundreds of thousands" We should just accept that? Ha! (Left wing extremist)Brennan reports merely gave maximum number of possibilities ("up to", "as many as"), inferring that would be actual amounts. Dishonest propaganda not fooling anyone but those who either want it to be true or the gullible.
After this statement I decided to do a new google search

red1966 stormfront child molester
 

Red1966

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I don't think Iv ever agreed with this guy before but God damn people, Voter ID is total common-sense in all countries except Yanky land.
I think I'm having a heart attack. Harrekin is agreeing with me. This pot is stronger than I thought, I'm hallucinating.
 

Grandpapy

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Sure. For every stupid thing you have in your state, I can give you stupid stuff in mine to match it. Should it become too much, find another state that is less fucked up or rally folks to your cause. Complaining on a weed forum isn't getting you anywhere :).
Well I'm learning, that a quite a few people have forgotten or may never known about freedom and are WAY TOO WILLING to throw away their rights.

It will only take one wrongful arrest to change your mind.
 

ChesusRice

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Well I'm learning, that a quite a few people have forgotten or may never known about freedom and are WAY TOO WILLING to throw away their rights.

It will only take one wrongful arrest to change your mind.
Wait till Arizona cops start arresting people for not having proof of Citizenship
when they cant find anything else to detain people on
and on a side note
If they tow your car they do not need a warrant to "inventory" the contents
 

ChesusRice

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List all the names and addresses in the New York City phone book for the last decade. Any other dumb-ass demands?
A new nationwide analysis of more than 2,000 cases of alleged election fraud
over the past dozen years shows that in-person voter impersonation on Election
Day, which has prompted 37 state legislatures to enact or consider tougher voter
ID laws, was virtually non-existent.
http://www.usatoday.com/USCP/PNI/Front%20Page/2012-08-20-PNI0820met-voter-fraudPNIBrd_ST_U.htm

red1966 stormfront child molester
 

ChesusRice

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In a pretrial stipulation, Pennsylvania officials said they
would offer no evidence that "in-person voter fraud has in fact occurred in
Pennsylvania or elsewhere" or that "in-person voter fraud is likely to occur in
November 2012 in the absence of a Photo ID law."



Pennsylvania officials, who responded to the News21
public-record requests, also reported no cases of Election Day
voter-impersonation fraud since 2000.
 

Red1966

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Where can I get 13 dollars for this ID? Right now my expenses are $22.00 per day note, does not include 37.60 per day for meds that I haven't been able to purchased in 5 months. I have not been able to work since Jan. I have been living with a friend since Jan. who is very under standing and helps out whenever possible but nether of us have a car. I'm about 40 miles from town so a taxi is out of the question, hitchhiking in a wheelchair is just too.... well you get it. But willing to except a ride. I was taught it was my duty to vote but for the life of me I cannot figure out why they make it so hard. As a Boy Scout we would help elders and disabled to the poles. Why are they throwing up hurdles in front elderly and disabled??? Why would they not consider me important enough to vote? I paid my taxes when I was able to make money. Seeing how I have been voting for 35 years, does that not count? When did the land of the free become home of the slave?
I would suggest that you look for "community services" in your area. It's a federally funded, state operated transportation service for the elderly and/or disabled. If you're on Medicare or Medicaid, you already qualify. They have fully equipped vans and trained attendants. They provide exactly the service you require. They also will take you to Dr. appointments, shopping, social activities, and others. They will ask some questions about your age or disability to qualify you. Once that's done, you can usually get next day service, in emergencies, they usually can get someone there in an hour. They do prioritize calls, tho. I think the service is required to be offered everywhere. Local governments run it, but it's Federally funded. I really hope this helps you out.
 

ChesusRice

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I would suggest that you look for "community services" in your area..
So dumbfuck
and i use that term loosley because i doubt you ever get laid

How will my grandmother find a older relative to vouch for her that she is indeed who she says she is so she can obtain a correct birth certificate she got 90 years ago with errors on it?
 

brotherjericho

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Well I'm learning, that a quite a few people have forgotten or may never known about freedom and are WAY TOO WILLING to throw away their rights.

It will only take one wrongful arrest to change your mind.
I can't do shit about your freedom on a state level as a citizen of another state.
 

ChesusRice

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I would suggest that you look for "community services" in your area. It's a federally funded, state operated transportation service for the elderly and/or disabled. If you're on Medicare or Medicaid, you already qualify. They have fully equipped vans and trained attendants. They provide exactly the service you require. They also will take you to Dr. appointments, shopping, social activities, and others. They will ask some questions about your age or disability to qualify you. Once that's done, you can usually get next day service, in emergencies, they usually can get someone there in an hour. They do prioritize calls, tho. I think the service is required to be offered everywhere. Local governments run it, but it's Federally funded. I really hope this helps you out.
Wilola Lee
Wilola Lee, 59, Philadelphia Ms. Lee is an African-American woman born in rural Wilkerson County, Georgia. She was raised by her grandmother, who moved her to Philadelphia in 1957, where she has lived ever since. Ms. Lee finished the eleventh grade, married, and raised two children, one of whom is a former school principal and now works for the Pennsylvania state government. Ms. Lee worked for the Philadelphia Public Schools for many years, including work with special needs children. Her husband passed away six years ago. Ms. Lee has been voting for decades and worked as a poll worker in the city of Philadelphia. She has been trying for nearly ten years to get a birth certificate that she will need to get a photo ID to vote, but the state of Georgia has told her they have no record of her birth. Ms. Lee does not have and has been unable to obtain photo identification required by Pennsylvania's Photo ID Law, and thus after voting in nearly every election for more than 30 years, she will be unable to do so in November.
Grover Freeland, 72, Philadelphia Mr. Freeland is an African-American man born in Buffalo, NY. He is a U.S. Army Veteran who was drafted in 1964 and served two years stateside before being honorably discharged. He thereafter graduated with a Bachelor of Arts and a Masters degree from Philadelphia's University of the Arts. Mr. Freeland worked many jobs over the years, including in his own photography businesses, until 2004, when he retired. He is formerly married and has five children. He believes that if a person is good enough to put his life on the line in the army then he should be able to vote. Mr. Freeland has not had a drivers' license since the 1980's. His only photo ID card is what is known as a "veterans card," which is issued by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs. While it contains encoded information on sensitive matters, like his medical records, the card is not recognized as valid by Pennsylvania's voter photo ID Law. Mr. Freeland has tried unsuccessfully to retrieve his birth certificate, which he will need to get a photo ID acceptable to vote, from the state of New York. Consequently, come November this veteran of the U.S. Armed Services will be unable to show the requisite identification and will not be able to vote.
Gloria Cuttino
Gloria Cuttino, 61, Philadelphia Ms. Cuttino is an African-American woman who was born in Summerville, South Carolina. She moved to Philadelphia at a young age. Ms. Cuttino's mother died when she was sixteen, leaving Ms. Cuttino alone to care for her three younger brothers and sisters. Forced by these circumstances to drop out of school, the teenage Ms. Cuttino began working at a commercial laundry to support the family. Ms. Cuttino raised four children, one of whom is a Philadelphia police officer, and now has ten grandchildren. She has over the years worked on behalf of local candidates for elected office. She has been trying for over one year to get her birth certificate, which she needs to get a ID, from South Carolina, which has told her they have no birth record. She has recently worked with a pro bono lawyer, who has determined that the only way to now get a "delayed" birth certificate is to seek census and other records, which will cost approximately $100, and to then employ an attorney in South Carolina to petition the court. Unless enforcement of the photo ID Law is enjoined, Ms. Cuttino will not be able to vote in November.
Nadine Marsh, 84, Beaver County Ms. Marsh is a Caucasian woman who was born in suburban Pittsburgh in 1928. She was the second oldest of ten children and her father worked for Bethlehem Steel. She married her high school sweetheart and then devoted herself to raising three children. Ms. Marsh never drove a car and thus has never had a driver's license. She and other family members have over the years tried to get her birth certificate that she will need to get a photo ID from Pennsylvania. They have gone in person to the Pittsburgh office of the Division of Vital Records, where they have obtained other family members' birth certificates, but have been told that a birth certificate does not exist for Ms. Marsh. Without an identification considered acceptable under Pennsylvania's voter photo ID Law, or the ability to obtain one, Ms. Marsh will be prevented from voting in November.
Dorothy Barksdale, 86, Philadelphia Ms. Barksdale is an African-American woman born at home by a midwife in rural Halifax County, Virginia in 1926. She cleaned homes for many years to help raise two children, both of whom are now deceased. After Congress passed the Voting Rights Act of 1965, Ms. Barksdale worked as a poll official in Philadelphia. She has not missed voting in a single election since at least 2001. But Ms. Barksdale has no photo ID acceptable under the photo ID Law. She has never driven and thus has not needed a driver's license. She and her niece have tried for three years to obtain a birth certificate from the state of Virginia, which now has advised them that they have no birth record.
Bea Bookler, 93, Chester County Ms. Bookler is a Caucasian woman born in Philadelphia in 1918. Graduating from Philadelphia's Overbrook High School at the height of the Depression, Ms. Bookler was forced to get a job to earn money and could not go to college. She worked as a secretary until she married a World War II veteran in 1945. She raised two children and now also has two grandchildren. Ms. Bookler was widowed in 2006 and now lives in an assisted living facility in Devon, Chester County. Ms. Bookler has voted regularly since casting her first ballot for Franklin Roosevelt in 1940. She has now grown frail with age. Going to the polls to vote twice a year is difficult for Ms. Bookler, but it is so important to her that these are two of only a handful of excursions away from her assisted-living facility that she has mustered the energy to take in recent years. Ms. Bookler does not presently have a photo ID acceptable under Pennsylvania's photo ID law. While she has the official documents necessary to get a valid ID from PennDOT, to actually get that ID she must go to the nearest PennDOT Driver's License Center about ten miles from her home. Doing so would require her to arrange transportation and would be an enormous physical hardship. Unfortunately, because she neither has nor can get an ID acceptable under Pennsylvania's voter photo ID law, she will not be able to vote in November, an election she believes may be her last.
Joyce Block, 89, Bucks County Ms. Block is a Caucasian woman born in Brooklyn, NY, in 1922. She became a professional chorus girl at age sixteen, and played, among many other roles, in the original Broadway cast of Rogers and Hammerstein's Oklahoma. At age twenty-one she married Carl Block, a lifelong musician who played in "Big Bands," and together they opened and ran several candy and ice-cream stores and raised six children while living in New York, New Jersey and, since 1973, in Bucks County, Pennsylvania. Now a widow, Ms. Block's six children have given her 14 grandchildren and 11 great grandchildren. Ms. Block has voted in nearly every election since 1944, and has not missed a vote in at least the past ten years. She instilled a civic-mindedness in her children, all of whom are politically active, and voting is extremely important to the entire family. Ms. Block has never driven or had a PennDOT-issued identification. PennDOT officials advised her that she could not get a photo ID card because her birth certificate and Social Security card were in her maiden name while her voter registration was in her married name, and the mismatch precluded issuance of an ID. Ms. Block's only documentation of marriage, which she brought with her, is a marriage certificate written in Hebrew. The DMV clerks could not understand the certificate and refused to accept it as proof of her name change. Unlike many other Pennsylvania voters who do not have and cannot obtain voter ID, Ms. Block is fortunate to have political connections. Her family reached out to to the office of her state senator for assistance. His office worked with PennDOT to obtain a temporary voter ID for Ms. Block.
Henrietta Kay Dickerson, 75 Pittsburgh Ms. Dickerson is an African-American woman born in Chatham, Louisiana, in 1936. Her mother brought her to Pittsburgh when she was an infant. Ms. Dickerson has been a lifelong resident of the city's Hill District. She has an adult son and two grandsons. Ms. Dickerson worked for more than forty years as a nurse at Pittsburgh's Magee Women's Hospital. Ms. Dickerson has been voting her entire adult life, missing elections only when she has been very sick. She has not missed voting in an election for more than a decade. Ms. Dickerson had a PennDOT-issued non-driver photo ID, but it expired on May 31, 2011. Not needing the ID for any other reason, she did not renew it. After hearing about the new voter photo ID law, Ms. Dickerson realized she would need to renew her PennDOT ID. She spent several hours gathering necessary documents for a trip to a PennDOT Driver's License Center in downtown Pittsburgh on April 18, 2012. Despite the state's promise that people could get photo ID cards free for voting purposes, the personnel at the DMV refused to give Ms. Dickerson a free card, insisting that she pay $13.50, which she did. They told her that she could not get a free ID because her old one had not been expired for more than a year, even though it would not be valid on election day in November. Since Ms. Dickerson does not need the ID for any reason but to vote, the fee is tantamount to a poll tax.
Devra Mirel ("Asher") Schor, 22, Pittsburgh Mr. Schor is a transgender man (female to male) registered voter in Pennsylvania who was born and raised in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. He received a Bachelor of Arts degree in 2011 from Sarah Lawrence College in New York. He works as a paralegal for a public interest law firm that provides civil rights assistance to Pennsylvania prisoners. Assigned a female sex at birth, Mr. Schor began medical transition with a bi-lateral mastectomy in December 2010. He has been undergoing hormone therapy (testosterone) since October 2011. He does not currently plan to have more surgery, but the hormone therapy will continue indefinitely. Mr. Schor expects to formally change his name and gender identity after the transitioning process is further along, which will not be before the November election. Mr. Schor has two forms of photo ID acceptable under the new voter photo ID law - a current passport and driver's license - but in both he looks like a woman and is identified as "female." He now looks and presents like a man.Given the stark and obvious difference in appearance and gender designation between Mr. Schor's identification documents and his current appearance, Mr. Schor has a very real and legitimate concern that poll workers will refuse to allow him to vote on election day in November when the person in his ID photos looks so different from the person who comes to vote.
 

ChesusRice

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I would suggest that you look for "community services" in your area. It's a federally funded, state operated transportation service for the elderly and/or disabled. If you're on Medicare or Medicaid, you already qualify. They have fully equipped vans and trained attendants. They provide exactly the service you require. They also will take you to Dr. appointments, shopping, social activities, and others. They will ask some questions about your age or disability to qualify you. Once that's done, you can usually get next day service, in emergencies, they usually can get someone there in an hour. They do prioritize calls, tho. I think the service is required to be offered everywhere. Local governments run it, but it's Federally funded. I really hope this helps you out.
Sherman says the lead plaintiff in the case is Ruthelle Frank, 84, who was born at home in Brokaw and has voted in every election since 1948. She lacks a certified birth certificate, which is required to obtain an acceptable form of photo identification.
When she went to get a copy of her birth certificate she learned her maiden name was spelled wrong on it. Correcting the error could cost as much as $200 or more.
"Rich, poor and everything in between ... we don't think you should have to pay a single cent to get a certified copy of your birth certificate to get a free photo ID," Sherman says. "It's a poll tax."
Another plaintiff is Carl Ellis, 52, who is living in a homeless shelter for veterans in Milwaukee. He cannot afford to get a copy of his birth certificate from the Illinois Department of Public Health's Vital Records Office. Ellis does possess a Veterans Identification Card, but the card is not an acceptable form of identification under the new Wisconsin law.
"If I can serve my country, I should be able to vote for who runs it," says Ellis in a prepared statement.
Plaintiff Sandra Jashinski, 48, of Milwaukee, lacks a photo ID and does not have a Social Security card. Because a photo ID is needed to obtain a Social Security card, Jashinski was denied a card. As a homeless woman, she also has no way to provide the state with an address.
College students account for eight of the 18 plaintiffs. In addition to several that do not want to turn in their out-of-state licenses in order to obtain a Wisconsin ID, the suit also names Domonique Whitehurst, a 17-year-old who turns 18 on Feb. 4, just days before the new law takes effect for the spring primary Feb. 21.
Whitehurst's college-issued Milwaukee Area Technical College student ID is his only form of ID.
Technical college IDs are not an acceptable form of identification under the state's voter ID law.
According to the suit, there were 382,006 students enrolled in state technical colleges in the 2009-2010 academic year. With roughly 4.2 million eligible voters in Wisconsin, those students accounted for roughly 8.8 percent of all Wisconsin voters.
Of that number, roughly 59,000 were minority students. In "sharp contrast," there were 18,000 minority students in the entire UW System, according to the suit.
"The law disproportionately impacts minority students," says Stacy Harbaugh, a spokeswoman with the ACLU of Wisconsin.
 

Red1966

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You are a fucking retard No seriously No one can be this retarded Ok i am wrong You actually are this retarded
Here is a perfect example of a weak mind responding to a point he can't counter. You forgot to post a funny jpeg or say Fox News... ooh ooh ooh, even better, call him a racist.
And his very next post is:
She has a ID A expired drivers license that doesnt have a picture A social security card that doesnt have a picture a Medicare card that doesnt have a picture She also has a bank account at a bank that she hasnt even been to since 1995 when my grandfather died None of these things are valid for voting ETA you are racist because of the things you have said be proud of being a racist even though we all look down on you and your kind
Soooo predictable!
 

ginwilly

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cheezus, you were doing good until you quoted an article that leads the reader to believe none of the 382k students have a driver's license. That snippet means nothing.

Your first ID should definitely be paid for, cases like cheezus's imaginary g'ma need to vote absentee. The other cases that were copy/pasted need to be settled, those 5 people have legitimate gripes, they should vote absentee too.

If the state is going to require ID which I feel they should, they should assist those that have trouble obtaining them. The sanctity of the vote should be protected, rumors like Kennedy actually losing Ill without ballot stuffing would be less prevalent. The Winston Co Sheriff wouldn't be doing time for helping the dead to voice their preference.

I really think those screaming about it are worried it will win the Republicans an election, the rest of the word salads are just spew:spew:. I didn't hear a single complaint when IDs were required in the Democratic primaries, if you guys had "fought for their rights" back then I could take you seriously.
 

Red1966

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You mean those poor who really arent poor and have the 13 dollars. I guess you have a different meaning of poor. Let me say it another way - you can vote as long as you pay - if you dont have the money you can't vote. And yes there really are people - like elderly, handicapped who are very poor and have no money at all. America is supposed to be for them too.
What part of the US do you live in that has no Social Services at all? Even the homeless guy on the corner can beg $13 in a couple hours at most. You sound like you have no experience with the poor.
 
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