Yellow, Brown, White, Dying plants PLZ HELP

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Nicnoob

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Awesome, I have transplanted the plants into separate pots and also bought some great potting mix, feeds up to 4 months.. looks alot better too. I have just watered them and waiting to see how they turn up, hopefully back on track of growing lush and green and not yellow/dead. ha.

Any other tips at all? photos below are of the transplant.

i will keep you updated.
 

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careful using soils that feed up to x amount of months.. if they contain nutes that are released every watering you could suffer nute burn issues.. the problem with soils that have nutes in them already is everytime you water the nutes are released... whether your plant needs them or not.. this can cause a build up of nutes.. and could kill your plant.. not saying it will.. just saying be cautious.. its best to mix those types of soils with plain potting soil to tone things down.. but they do take away the need to feed through veg.. you will still need bloom nutes tho as those soils are made for 4 months of growth, not flowering..

also if you get soil bound bugs, like those gnats you had, there is a much simpler way to get rid of them than transplannting and stressing your plant out and all that... get some sterile sand from the store... its cheap and you get a lot... cover your soil with about 3/4" to 1" of the sand... this will take care of any soil bugs you get.. the bugs will be trapped and will eventually die off under the sand.. it takes a week or two because of the eggs that are in the soil that still need to hatch and die.. but its a cheap, no stress way to grow...

and since we are on the topic, you might have a couple days before you see any growth to your girls since you transplannted them.. everytime you transplant it causes shock... depending on how rough the transplant was will depend on the amount of shock/stress done to the plant.. the more stress the more recoup time... just dont want you to worry if it is a couple days with no signs of anything happening with your plants..
 
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ok, cheers for the acurate information, i guess my best bet is just to see how they grow in soil i bought?

yeh, i guessed it may take a few days to see change and as i felt the leaves on the plants the seem to be not as dry and also not being so droppy..

Also, My temperatures on average are 15'C at coldest and 25'C hottest. averages 20'C???

cheers
 
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Ok, today, i have checked the PH the water runoff is and its 6.4 so thats spot on right..

the soil is, :

Searles Premium Potting Mix

Contains: - Searles Flourish souluble plant food
- RobustPlus controlled release fertilizer
- Penetraide
- Water Crystals
- Zeolite

Any suggestions would be good, Should i transplant them for the third time, being a month and a half old. with paused growth already, or just watch for them to grow and see how they react? If i should transplant, how long should i wait from previous transplant? and also should i see how they react, if they do go haywire, transplant than? and what soil should i purchase?

Thanks
 
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Nicnoob said:
Ok, today, i have checked the PH the water runoff is and its 6.4 so thats spot on right..

the soil is, :

Searles Premium Potting Mix

Contains: - Searles Flourish souluble plant food
- RobustPlus controlled release fertilizer
- Penetraide
- Water Crystals
- Zeolite

Any suggestions would be good, Should i transplant them for the third time, being a month and a half old. with paused growth already, or just watch for them to grow and see how they react? If i should transplant, how long should i wait from previous transplant? and also should i see how they react, if they do go haywire, transplant than? and what soil should i purchase?

Thanks
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I had a similar problem to you and I cured it it by changing soils. Both the soil you started with and changed to look like total crap. I had similar soil and it nearly killed my plants. Organic, clay filled soils that lack perlite and/or other areating ingredients (vermiculite etc ) not only hold water but also hold nutrients. This is a very bad thing.

PLants use different nutrients at different different rates. Also, different nutrients break down and/or evaporate at different rates. So I (like you) had symptoms of nutrient burn and nutrient defficiency. My plants werent getting enough nitrogen because I was holding back on feeding because the lower leaves were burning up, just like yours. The plants were lime green (just like yours) which is a symptom of lack of nitro.
The wet heavy soil also promoted fungus gnats ( small flies with white wings similar to fruit flies). The gnat larve love the wet organicly rich soil. Eventually the larve will attck the roots of your plants.

You need a high quality, soiless potting mix such as pro-mix or dutch treat. It needs to be high in perlite. I switched to pro-mix and I augmented it with coarse perlite. The end result was something around 50 percent perlite. The soiless mixes have much better areation and tend to absorb and dry much more evenly. You also dont need any nutrients in the soil as you will be adding those yourself.

I did the following and had noticable results 24hrs later.

-changed soil to soiless potting mix high in perlite
-immediatley flushed with half strength nutrients, each pot got 2x the pot size (1 litre pot was flushed with 2 litres etc..) This is important because it garuntees you an even base of nutrients that you know is not to high.
-wait for soil to thoroughly dry
-Begin feeding on a regular scheduel. I feed on the same day every week and use enough so that approx. 10% drains out of the pot. This is important as it will help to ensure uniform distribution of new nutrients, prevent dry pockets and flush out built up old nutrients.
- Full flush with half nutrients every 4 weeks regardless of plant health. This is an important regular housekeeping step that garuntees there are no pockets of old built up nutrients in the medium.

Your gnat problem will go away with the new soiless medium as the top half inch of soil will dry fairly quickly and the larve will die.
 
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Nicnoob

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Coals said:
I had a similar problem to you and I cured it it by changing soils. Both the soil you started with and changed to look like total crap. I had similar soil and it nearly killed my plants. Organic, clay filled soils that lack perlite and/or other areating ingredients (vermiculite etc ) not only hold water but also hold nutrients. This is a very bad thing.

PLants use different nutrients at different different rates. Also, different nutrients break down and/or evaporate at different rates. So I (like you) had symptoms of nutrient burn and nutrient defficiency. My plants werent getting enough nitrogen because I was holding back on feeding because the lower leaves were burning up, just like yours. The plants were lime green (just like yours) which is a symptom of lack of nitro.
The wet heavy soil also promoted fungus gnats ( small flies with white wings similar to fruit flies). The gnat larve love the wet organicly rich soil. Eventually the larve will attck the roots of your plants.

You need a high quality, soiless potting mix such as pro-mix or dutch treat. It needs to be high in perlite. I switched to pro-mix and I augmented it with coarse perlite. The end result was something around 50 percent perlite. The soiless mixes have much better areation and tend to absorb and dry much more evenly. You also dont need any nutrients in the soil as you will be adding those yourself.

I did the following and had noticable results 24hrs later.

-changed soil to soiless potting mix high in perlite
-immediatley flushed with half strength nutrients, each pot got 2x the pot size (1 litre pot was flushed with 2 litres etc..) This is important because it garuntees you an even base of nutrients that you know is not to high.
-wait for soil to thoroughly dry
-Begin feeding on a regular scheduel. I feed on the same day every week and use enough so that approx. 10% drains out of the pot. This is important as it will help to ensure uniform distribution of new nutrients, prevent dry pockets and flush out built up old nutrients.
- Full flush with half nutrients every 4 weeks regardless of plant health. This is an important regular housekeeping step that garuntees there are no pockets of old built up nutrients in the medium.

Your gnat problem will go away with the new soiless medium as the top half inch of soil will dry fairly quickly and the larve will die.
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thanks for the advice, I dont have the flys anymore as i transplanted from the soil that had the flys.

Also, since i have transplanted a few times is that bad, or doesnt matter too much?

Would it be easy to get perlite added into the soil with nutrients i have now or should i just buy the soil and Transplant it again.?

Thanks for the flush info too that was definatly needed.
 
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Nicnoob

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It has now been 8 days since i have repotted the plants into the 'up to 4 month feed' potting mix.

some of the plants have grown alot since than with the top looking really healthy but there are still small signs of them being unhealthy due to yellow tips etc.

I also have not yet watered them since i heavily watered them after transplant, but the main reason is im wanting to know if i should water with my nutes or just plain water?? Please respond to this thread as im am waiting urgently.

pics attached.. Let me hear all of your feedback..
 

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brasmith

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Since they are responding so well to the new soil and transplant, it is not necessary to feed them anything else at this time. Just let them grow for now. All the new growth looks awsome and that is really what you want to see. Your plants are happy.
 
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Things look good. They are just recovering from the old soil and the bugs and everything, thats the only reason you were still seeing haulted or slow growth. As soon as they got past that they took off and are looking great. I have always used soil that feeds up to 4months without a problem they are time release nutes and as long as you flush about once a month or so, which you should do anyways to prevent nute build up and salt and what not. You'll be fine in the soil you have right now and I can't tell but you may actually be using the same pot size I use all the into flowering adult stage without a problem:)

With regard to the nuting, since you just did a transplant and all I would just feed them ph balenced water for now. A good way to tell when to start back in with your nutes is to just watch for any sign of a nute defenciency (spots, yellowing, ect) or for any sign of slowing or haulting of the new growth. Thats when you should nute, wait for your plants to tell you just like the watering. Looking good tho keep it up, and thanks for stopping back by my thread. Always happy to help, I wouldn't be here if people didn't help me:) :leaf:
 
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Nicnoob

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homegrow0420 said:
Things look good. They are just recovering from the old soil and the bugs and everything, thats the only reason you were still seeing haulted or slow growth. As soon as they got past that they took off and are looking great. I have always used soil that feeds up to 4months without a problem they are time release nutes and as long as you flush about once a month or so, which you should do anyways to prevent nute build up and salt and what not. You'll be fine in the soil you have right now and I can't tell but you may actually be using the same pot size I use all the into flowering adult stage without a problem:)

With regard to the nuting, since you just did a transplant and all I would just feed them ph balenced water for now. A good way to tell when to start back in with your nutes is to just watch for any sign of a nute defenciency (spots, yellowing, ect) or for any sign of slowing or haulting of the new growth. Thats when you should nute, wait for your plants to tell you just like the watering. Looking good tho keep it up, and thanks for stopping back by my thread. Always happy to help, I wouldn't be here if people didn't help me:) :leaf:
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Thanks for the information mate, i have continued exactly how you said and they have pulled through amazing. I will upload some photos of them now.

What I am wondering is i havent fed them any nutes since i have transplanted, any sign in the pics that i need to start?

also, I was wondering the other day, if u look at the size of my grow box, (the lamp runs up and down the box for adjustment), should i start putting the plants through the flowering stage? Use flowering nutes straight away? got the proper bulb and nutes, let me know what you think. I'm not too sure what stage they are at....

here are the pics. any help would be much apprieciated.
 

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one more thing, as you can see in the pictures, the plants are lush green around the top of the plant with perfect leaves. Closer towards the bottom, there are still yellowing and dying leaves, not as bad as i used to have but a leaf or two every week? guessing...

any info would be great. im guessing this is normal? or i need to start adding nutes. its just that they are growing 1.5inch every 4 days.......
 
mygirls

mygirls

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Nicnoob said:
one more thing, as you can see in the pictures, the plants are lush green around the top of the plant with perfect leaves. Closer towards the bottom, there are still yellowing and dying leaves, not as bad as i used to have but a leaf or two every week? guessing...

any info would be great. im guessing this is normal? or i need to start adding nutes. its just that they are growing 1.5inch every 4 days.......
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if your not feeding them yet yes then start.. they look good
 
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mygirls said:
and whats wrong with the last 4 post...
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Excellent, ill start today.. Oh, was just getting other opinons as there were more questions asked..

Im wanting to know if i should start the flowering cycle. are they big enough or should i let them get bigger. ?? etc.. let me know what u would do.

thanks for your time.
 
mygirls

mygirls

Medical Marijuana (MOD)
Nicnoob said:
Excellent, ill start today.. Oh, was just getting other opinons as there were more questions asked..

Im wanting to know if i should start the flowering cycle. are they big enough or should i let them get bigger. ?? etc.. let me know what u would do.

thanks for your time.
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what are you wanting for a yeild.. if you have the room and the patiants to go threw a 4 1/2 to 5 monthgrow then i would veg longer..:weed:
 
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Nicnoob

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Thanks for the feedback so far guys its been awesome....

I have now waited a little longer for my plants to grow and transplanted to a bigger tub which was my problem when that haulted growth. since the transplant, a few leaves have started growing and dying as you can see in the pictures below.. Last night i changed bulbs to start flowering.. from the pictures would you recommend, ive only got about a foot room left in the box.
Also, would you be able to tell me the process exactly i should take if i am right to bud atm. check pictures, give me your feedback.. im a bit lost atm..

Thanks very much if your reply to this thread, help much needed.....
 

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brasmith

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Your plants look incredible! Great job bringing them around:hug:

Couple of things to think of is once you change the light cycle to 12/12 they will stretch to at least double what they are now. Can you lower your tub? or Higher your light? or even both?

Another thought, do you have a bloom feeding system for them yet? If you do these plants really like to be tappered off the vegg formula while at the same time tappering on with the bloom system.

I hope this answered at least a question of yours.

Your plants are off and running they'll be crossing the finish line soon:mrgreen::peace:
 
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