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stardustsailor

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A small ..bite...

Abstract
Light is a vital environmental factor that affects plant growth and development by acting on plants not only as the sole energy source of photosynthesis, but also as the kind of external signal.

Light requirements of plants are subjected to species, cultivar, growth and developmental stages of plant, environmental conditions and manipulation target of yield & quality.

Therefore, detailed studies on light formula (LF) based on physiological requirement are urgently needed for getting high yield and good quality in plants. With the development of semiconductor solid light sources, light-emitting diodes (LEDs), light quality physiology and light formula in plants have been gradually and extensively conducted worldwide by taking advantage of LED providing precise light spectrum and close illumination. LF defined as optimized and integrated assembly of spectral component emitting from light sources (particularly LEDs) that is suitable for plant productivity and nutritional quality formation.

Based on published literatures, red, blue, and compound white light are macro-necessary light spectrum, and purple, green, yellow and orange light are micro-beneficial light spectrum, while far-red light and ultraviolet light are beneficial light spectrum.

However, other light spectrum except photosynthetic active radiation, far-red and ultraviolet light is invalid for plant cultivation.

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Some more ...blah-blah ....
From....
International Society for Horticultural Science
Regarding ....
[h=2]PLANT GROWTH UNDER WHITE LEDSCOMPARED WITH UNDER FLUORESCENT LAMPS[/h]Abstract:
In a plant factory, the selection of an appropriate light source is essential to create an artificial environment for cultivation. Since characteristics of light sources affect plant growth, it is desirable to investigate the effects of the different spectra and to develop more effective light sources. So far, we have seen that some leafy vegetables under some white light emitting diodes (LED) become larger than those under 3-band fluorescent lamps after 16 days of treatment. The experimental results would show that the white LED shows a greater red photon flux and less of a blue one. In this paper, tomato was grown under the fluorescent lamp and 3 types of white LEDs to compare these growths depending on the characteristics of light sources; R/B ratio, photosynthetic photon flux per electrical power supplied. Four equipments, which were composed of the white LEDs and three band fluorescent lamps, were set in a controlled environment. The respective height of these light sources was regulated to maintain an average horizontal photosynthetic photon flux density (PPFD) on cultivation beds in these equipments as possible to evaluate the effect of the spectrum of these light sources. The relative spectral radiant intensities of these light sources were measured by a multi-channel spectroradiometer at 5 nm intervals. R/B ratios of these light sources calculated from the relative spectral radiant intensities were from 0.68 to 1.67. There was little difference among these 4 types of light sources in 23 days after transplanting. The experimental results would show that PPFD distributions on the cultivation beds were nearly the same among the four light sources. Considering PPF/W ratio the LEDs were appropriate for cultivation, more than the fluorescent lamp. [HR][/HR]


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take a look at this also ....

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stardustsailor

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did i get it wrong or wasnt the message of the 2nd Video: fuck White light and get some flavor enhancing, growth Controlling spectrum "that enables so many things u cant imagine, because with light you can affect every prospect of your plant, how it looks like, how it tastes like" ;-)

from my little cress led/sun comparison i noticed the taste aspect of 660nm...well if its not caused by something else - like just differences in the amount of light intensity sun vs led :-)
Chewing/Eating /Cooking your Weed ?

And most probably fuck the whole grow ,cause most people know exactly what to do with all these weirdos of "enhancing ratios" ,like
B:R ,FR:R ,G:R ,G:B ,G:FR ,UV:B ,etc ...

Yeah,right ...

So ...

R u 100% Sure about that ?
Maybe you just got things all wrong ,brother ....


(thats what I've to say ....)
 

stardustsailor

Well-Known Member
It's a hard time to be a socialist in Greece, from what I understand. Good luck with your recipe, hope it works.

It's a hard time to be in Greece ( Hellas ,BTW ),generally ...
But anyway....
C'est la vie ...

Socialist =Communist=Fascist=Democrat=Republic=Whatever else .....
...
Same shit -Different Smell .....
..
Some are on top ,some on different levels going further down the ...hmmm...'pyramid' ....Guh ....
Rest(most) lay on bottom ..
That's how things have been all the way ,throughout all the human civilisation history ...
..
Same shit with hundreds of different smell ....
Going on and on ....
..
The rest "markings / labels " ,are for the idiots who believe that are born free men
-with a 'choice' -,to live a in heaven of an Earth and afterwards be 'judged' and enter the
'eternal ' "garden " or whatever ......

Politics Have Left 'n Right wings only for the masses ...
The sheeple ...
The idiot ,stupid ,sheeple ...

Truth is otherwise..
There's only
Top-Bottom ...
Up-or Down ....
(in politics and not only ....)
 

ak84

Member
It's a hard time to be in Greece ( Hellas ,BTW ),generally ...
But anyway....
C'est la vie ...

Socialist =Communist=Fascist=Democrat=Republic=Whatever else .....
...
Same shit -Different Smell .....
..
Some are on top ,some on different levels going further down the ...hmmm...'pyramid' ....Guh ....
Rest(most) lay on bottom ..
That's how things have been all the way ,throughout all the human civilisation history ...
..
Same shit with hundreds of different smell ....
Going on and on ....
..
The rest "markings / labels " ,are for the idiots who believe that are born free men
-with a 'choice' -,to live a in heaven of an Earth and afterwards be 'judged' and enter the
'eternal ' "garden " or whatever ......

Politics Have Left 'n Right wings only for the masses ...
The sheeple ...
The idiot ,stupid ,sheeple ...

Truth is otherwise..
There's only
Top-Bottom ...
Up-or Down ....
(in politics and not only ....)
Heh, I just meant that it's a prudent idea to keep your lights mix/recipe till you test and monetize it and to not worry about looking like a "capitalist" :)

But I get your point, and I realize how hard it is to know that when politics are so corrupt, it doesn't matter what you vote cause they're all out to get you anyway. We're all meat for the grinder.
 

stardustsailor

Well-Known Member
Quod est inferius est sicut quod est superius, et quod est superius est sicut quod est inferius, ad perpetranda miracula rei unius.*

Something that all of us ,( never mind if on top or bottom ) ,we keep forgettin' ....

* Whatever is below is similar to that which is above and whatever is above is similar to that which is below .
Through this the marvels of the work of One ,are procured and perfected.


Kinda like a plant ...
Roots below ,resembling branches above ...
And here you go ..The One ...
Existence ,itself ....

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( Don't mind my words ....Words of a crazy man ....)
 

stardustsailor

Well-Known Member
it's a prudent idea to keep your lights mix/recipe till you test and monetize it..

Well....
It's a rather ' complex' issue ,to start posting about ...
and a "Trade Secret " of course ....

But ....I can tell you this .....


White leds,only .


A " secret " combo that has unbelievable , growth "effects " ....


Taking into "consideration " lot's of 'variables" .....


In a 'superb ' , ' clever ', 'plant- interactive fixture ....
(Lots of 'enviromental ' sensors on the led light,itself !!!
Like , foliage reflected light color and intensity sensing,temperature ,humidity,NIR sensing ,etc !!!!
Let alone ,the PID control of output light power ,depending on photosythesis rate of plant(s) ,
underneath the light fixture ,in conjuction with ambient temperature and
humidity / gas changes for monitoring plant respiration /transpiration rates
and plenty more of high-tech led horti bio lighting applied science ....
There's no other light ,like that ,I promise you that !! )

secrets 2.JPGsecrets 3.JPG...

The ...
Growth Operation Device.
The ....
G.O.D.
 

stardustsailor

Well-Known Member
Another " bite " .....

From now on only "bites " ......

StarDustSailor was enough "consumed" and "abused" , especially by "friends " ....
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secrets 4.jpg..

From now and on ,only MONEY( $$.$$$ !!!) talks ....
The rest of BS has- long before- walked away ....

And no ....
It is not meant for the average mj- grower !
Not even for mj growers ....

Aiming much higher,than a bunch of 'stoners' .....

So long ,RIU 'community ' ....

May you be satisfied enough,with your 'purple' ,dreamy-disco :fire:- lights ....
 

stardustsailor

Well-Known Member
From now on ...
Only ..

:wall:

And ...

:fire:...


And $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.


Nothin' more ,nothin' less !

It's a jungle out there and I need a realy NICE living ,for myself .
Period.
 

ak84

Member
Phtosensors, a raspberry pi and all white leds? So, are you also going to incorporate RPG-like scenarios for watering? EG, automatic watering with the leds dimming so that the plant really thinks its raining? My gf makes fun of me for when I play out scenarios with my plants, when I water them and stuff xD
 

PetFlora

Well-Known Member
With Love
StardustSailor.

White is the truth.
Period.

As you know, I have been pro "White Power" for a long time

I finally have a grow using only WW tubes and globes (2700-3000K). Currently ~ 14 days to harvest.

I am using the same clones, under 80w of tubes + ~ 32w of WW globes, as I grew under 324w HOT5 using heavy reds (see last 2 photos of freshly cut plants)

With the leds I have better shaped trics (and more of them) BUT, am not seeing many calyxes by comparison. I probably need 2400K, which one company is making but it's RP so globes only.

2 days ago i added my ufo 90 (R/B 8:1) to one side, but perhaps too late to see tangible results

Tent is 2 x 4, perhaps I just need more tubes, or...?


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PetFlora

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Can I say I agree, but only to an extent? I do not see any great grows with just white LEDs, most seem to believe that the latest, best combo is whites and reds. If whites were the bomb by themselves, we could get there with fluorescent technology, but we see that even Inda-Gro wants to add red.
I think the missing link is ~ 2400-2700K 'white' during flower. Alas, they are made in globes only as the 2400K is currently made using RP.

The company making these has no clue regarding indoor horticulture. I have spoken with their National Sales Mgr, who referred me to local distributor, who also has no clue. That said, we can now buy 2400K @ 10w globes to supplement 3000K tube leds during mid flower :mrgreen:

New COB hits 122 lpw average 110 lpw http://www.electronicproducts.com/Optoelectronics/LEDs/LED_arrays_offer_industry_leading_122-lm_W_efficacy.aspx

 

speedyganga

Well-Known Member
hi SDS,
I have been reading some of your interesting post over osram oslon WW.
I was planing to go with oslon SSL 80 2700K instead of XTE 3000K bin R3 because of the angle... I don't really know if it's the good choice.
Strangely, I had the same idea than you: lot's of white combination and only some 660 to supplement it.
I was thinking of going with 2 XTE 6500K + 5 oslon SSL80 WW 2700K + 4 or 3 oslon SSL 80 645-660 / all at 700MA which make normally an efficient light of 23W maximum that I am planing to use for each square foot. so 4 module fo a 2x2 ft box.
I will have enougth blue (well spread beacause of the 120° angle from the XTE 6500K), lot of red and a very clean and smooth curve with all the white linking the blue and the red. Also the angle seems perfect for flowering some One bud and tree classic style
What do you think of my spectrum?
But I am not sure oslon has enough radiometric efficiency: (apparently 24% for the 3000K according to SUPRA against 35% for XTE 3000K bin R3 according to him again) and if their is not enough photons the green will be less absorb as well as yellow if I understood well...

also the luxeon es seems good but their angle is 120° so less photons with distance increasing. SUPRA didn't take them because their efficiency was to low, and they are more efficient than osram (120lumen with a peak at 650nm instead of 630nm will be much more efficient than 90lumen with a peak at 630 isn't?) that's why I doubt, is the oslon efficient enought? I think I need different point of views and help.

bye bye.
 
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