Wouldn't it be ironic if a bunch of armed cracker Trump secessionists led to a real and permanent assault weapons ban?

hanimmal said:

Here you go, try her:

https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-views-on-the-issues/amy-klobuchar/

And no worries it happens to us all with the trolling. It's hard when so much trolling was built off Clinton to get over it, but I really recommend looking at how much of that is all just Russian propaganda.

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Ill do some reading on her. Thanks

hanimmal said:

Here you go, try her:

https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-views-on-the-issues/amy-klobuchar/

And no worries it happens to us all with the trolling. It's hard when so much trolling was built off Clinton to get over it, but I really recommend looking at how much of that is all just Russian propaganda.

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Why even bother?

this cowardly little felon is operating in bad faith. He’d never consider any Democrat, no matter how moderate.

he’d vote for david duke though

kgp said:

Look at the two maps below. They are VERY similar. One is the 2016 election map, the other is a crime map. You could almost interchange them.
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Hasty generalization

logical fallacy

fail

Rob Roy said:

When American citizen kids turn 16, Obama uses a drone to fry them without due process.

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Rob, Obama is old hat my friend and is as bad as those righties who say 'but what about..'

UncleBuck said:

Why even bother?

this cowardly little felon is operating in bad faith. He’d never consider any Democrat, no matter how moderate.

he’d vote for david duke though

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If my family didn't act just like this the few times I brought up little things to test them I wouldn't have believed it either.

kgp said:

Look at the two maps below. They are VERY similar. One is the 2016 election map, the other is a crime map. You could almost interchange them.
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FYI @kgp , the map pictured on the bottom actually shows a 2012 electoral created by Mark Newman from the physics department of the University of Michigan, and is in fact not a government produced crime map at all, the top map is real but incomplete.

If you cared to accurately label them, you could say something like, an incomplete electoral map from 2016 was kind of similar to a completed electoral map from 2012.

Hope this helps.

hanimmal said:

Here you go, try her:

https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-views-on-the-issues/amy-klobuchar/

And no worries it happens to us all with the trolling. It's hard when so much trolling was built off Clinton to get over it, but I really recommend looking at how much of that is all just Russian propaganda.

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I did some reading up on her. She seems like a great person but I could never support reparations and doing away with the electoral college. If she didn't have those 2 things on her campaign, I would definitely consider.

The electoral college makes a lot of sense to me. I understand the pros and cons and why the left doesn't like it. I just happen to disagree with most big city liberals and this is one of the ways where my vote still counts. I honestly don't even think it would have been a priority if the dems didn't lose last election. I don't like the idea of changes what our founding fathers gave us just because it didn't work for your party. I don't like changing the rules of the nation to get what you want. The rules are the rules, win them fair and square. If you lose, try harder next time.

Also reparations, I pay enough taxes. I am against government assistance. I do not like when the government takes my money and gives it to others who can and should work. I have watched many of my black friends became very successful with hard work and education. I personally feel this will be enabling people to be lazy and continue the modern day slave practice. If I never owned a slave, I don't owe anyone anything. And if you weren't a slave, you deserve a chance in life just like everyone of every color, religion or heritage. You don't deserve a free check because your great-great-great grandfathers life. IMO

Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach him how to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.

kgp said:

I did some reading up on her. She seems like a great person but I could never support reparations and doing away with the electoral college. If she didn't have those 2 things on her campaign, I would definitely consider.

The electoral college makes a lot of sense to me. I understand the pros and cons and why the left doesn't like it. I just happen to disagree with most big city liberals and this is one of the ways where my vote still counts. I honestly don't even think it would have been a priority if the dems didn't lose last election. I don't like the idea of changes what our founding fathers gave us just because it didn't work for your party. I don't like changing the rules of the nation to get what you want. The rules are the rules, win them fair and square. If you lose, try harder next time.

Also reparations, I pay enough taxes. I am against government assistance. I do not like when the government takes my money and gives it to others who can and should work. I have watched many of my black friends became very successful with hard work and education. I personally feel this will be enabling people to be lazy and continue the modern day slave practice. If I never owned a slave, I don't owe anyone anything. And if you weren't a slave, you deserve a chance in life just like everyone of every color, religion or heritage. You don't deserve a free check because your great-great-great grandfathers life. IMO

Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach him how to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.

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You’re not trustworthy enough to vote by yourself? You need an elite group of special voters to do your voting for you?

And bullshit you don’t like government welfare. We paid for your room board and meals for years while you were getting raped in prison, criminal

kgp said:

Also reparations, I pay enough taxes. I am against government assistance. I do not like when the government takes my money and gives it to others who can and should work. I have watched many of my black friends became very successful with hard work and education. I personally feel this will be enabling people to be lazy and continue the modern day slave practice. If I never owned a slave, I don't owe anyone anything. And if you weren't a slave, you deserve a chance in life just like everyone of every color, religion or heritage. You don't deserve a free check because your great-great-great grandfathers life. IMO

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It really comes down to one thing, understanding that as a white person, your family was NEVER unable to take full advantage of the countries economic growth. Black (and other minority) people were mandated by law to not be able to compete for the resources that were available in our country.

As people started moving out of the cities into the suburbs, redlining kept the best neighborhoods and properties white. the legal system also has over policed and under educated the black population. With a much lower rate of the previous generations going to college the newer generations did not that that expertise from their parents on what they should be doing to have the best chance at success because of this. The inability to hand down property is the biggest generational theft if we were to add it all up.

People love to make shit so much harder for people than it needs to be, I don't get the need to see others struggle. This would be one of the most cost effective ways to increase future production, while decreasing future costs to our economy.

kgp said:

The electoral college makes a lot of sense to me. I understand the pros and cons and why the left doesn't like it. I just happen to disagree with most big city liberals and this is one of the ways where my vote still counts. I honestly don't even think it would have been a priority if the dems didn't lose last election. I don't like the idea of changes what our founding fathers gave us just because it didn't work for your party. I don't like changing the rules of the nation to get what you want. The rules are the rules, win them fair and square. If you lose, try harder next time.

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The Electoral college got broken by the Republicans executed plan of Gerrymandering all the power to the rural districts. Which oddly enough goes back to the first part, the giant land grab by white people that minority communities were not abel to take advantage of.

UncleBuck said:

You’re not trustworthy enough to vote by yourself? You need an elite group of special voters to do your voting for you?

And bullshit you don’t like government welfare. We paid for your room board and meals for years while you were getting raped in prison, criminal

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I like to hear all sides and draw my own conclusion based on what i feel is important.

And yes buck, thanks for the 3 hots and a cot. I owe you one, buddy.

kgp said:

I like to hear all sides and draw my own conclusion based on what i feel is important.

And yes buck, thanks for the 3 hots and a cot. I owe you one, buddy.

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You need special elite voters to choose what is best for you. That’s pathetic

You’re a pathetic criminal

hanimmal said:

It really comes down to one thing, understanding that as a white person, your family was NEVER unable to take full advantage of the countries economic growth. Black (and other minority) people were mandated by law to not be able to compete for the resources that were available in our country.

As people started moving out of the cities into the suburbs, redlining kept the best neighborhoods and properties white. the legal system also has over policed and under educated the black population. With a much lower rate of the previous generations going to college the newer generations did not that that expertise from their parents on what they should be doing to have the best chance at success because of this. The inability to hand down property is the biggest generational theft if we were to add it all up.

People love to make shit so much harder for people than it needs to be, I don't get the need to see others struggle. This would be one of the most cost effective ways to increase future production, while decreasing future costs to our economy.

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I don't like to see others struggle either, but if its from poor life choices made countless times, I cannot condone help. Who's to say that someone wont go out and buy a brand new mercedes benz and continue to live poorly? What good would that do, besides taking my money? If they don't have the self drive to work themselves out of a shitty situation, what good would it do?

Similar to tax time. Have a bunch of kids and get a big ole fat check, poof, gone in two weeks. Brand new TV but cant afford cable. Poor people in general, no race mentioned.

I grew up poor in an all black housing projects. My best childhood friend was an immigrant from eritrea. Stayed focused and is now pulling 6 figures. While many others I grew up with are in jail or dead. What made him succeed and others to continue to live the same life? A pile of money wouldn't help in my opinion. Money won't buy will power, motivation, or better decision making skills.

Our last president was black and if that doesn't show that anyone, is capable of anything with hard work and determination, I don't know what is.

A poor lazy white kid is the same. I don't see color unless its shoved down my throat. Want to better your life, get a job and go to work. Even when you don't feel like it. It worked for me and my childhood friend who grew up with basically nothing.

UncleBuck said:

You need special elite voters to choose what is best for you. That’s pathetic

You’re a pathetic criminal

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That's not how it works, I vote for the special elite voter to vote for me. It was the left who begged, cried, and threatened the special elite voters to vote against what their very people voted for. See the difference? My state voted trump, so our electors did also. They didn't choose, the state did and they cast their vote accordingly.

Look at the map of 2016. The whole country is mostly red. The blues are mainly big populated cities. The majority of counties voted red. Yeah, hill billies, crackers, deplorables, whatever you want to call them all went out and voted. And only 61% of the population voted at all.

You made it after you met your girl you said right? Mind if I ask if she is white and was she from the ghetto too?

kgp said:

I don't like to see others struggle either, but if its from poor life choices made countless times, I cannot condone help. Who's to say that someone wont go out and buy a brand new mercedes benz and continue to live poorly? What good would that do, besides taking my money? If they don't have the self drive to work themselves out of a shitty situation, what good would it do?

Similar to tax time. Have a bunch of kids and get a big ole fat check, poof, gone in two weeks. Brand new TV but cant afford cable. Poor people in general, no race mentioned.

I grew up poor in an all black housing projects. My best childhood friend was an immigrant from eritrea. Stayed focused and is now pulling 6 figures. While many others I grew up with are in jail or dead. What made him succeed and others to continue to live the same life? A pile of money wouldn't help in my opinion. Money won't buy will power, motivation, or better decision making skills.

Our last president was black and if that doesn't show that anyone, is capable of anything with hard work and determination, I don't know what is.

A poor lazy white kid is the same. I don't see color unless its shoved down my throat. Want to better your life, get a job and go to work. Even when you don't feel like it. It worked for me and my childhood friend who grew up with basically nothing.

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You are looking at this all wrong. Quit thinking of it as somehow 'giving' people free shit. Instead think of it as a way to make it so all those kids that you grew up with would have had better information/resources to make better choices for society as a whole to benefit from. Your friend is a great example of why Trump's anti-immigration stance is bullshit. People who come here hungry and have parents with the drive to take and move out of their situation to have the ability to make a life in our country help us all far more than the ones that need a hand take.

Same with all of those kids you grew up with that are now dead or in jail. What a waste. How much better off as a society would we have been in if your neighborhood had top notch schools where you went and felt safe and got as much attention as you needed to do the best you could have the first time through? If the people you went to school with didn't have to try to pay attention while hungry, or sick but cannot afford to get help. How many had parents that were unable to help them out with their education and had no resources to use to try to help them?

This is such a easy thing that we could do for our country to get so much more from our population for such a small cost.

kgp said:

I don't like to see others struggle either, but if its from poor life choices made countless times, I cannot condone help. Who's to say that someone wont go out and buy a brand new mercedes benz and continue to live poorly? What good would that do, besides taking my money? If they don't have the self drive to work themselves out of a shitty situation, what good would it do?

Similar to tax time. Have a bunch of kids and get a big ole fat check, poof, gone in two weeks. Brand new TV but cant afford cable. Poor people in general, no race mentioned.

I grew up poor in an all black housing projects. My best childhood friend was an immigrant from eritrea. Stayed focused and is now pulling 6 figures. While many others I grew up with are in jail or dead. What made him succeed and others to continue to live the same life? A pile of money wouldn't help in my opinion. Money won't buy will power, motivation, or better decision making skills.

Our last president was black and if that doesn't show that anyone, is capable of anything with hard work and determination, I don't know what is.

A poor lazy white kid is the same. I don't see color unless its shoved down my throat. Want to better your life, get a job and go to work. Even when you don't feel like it. It worked for me and my childhood friend who grew up with basically nothing.

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People are buying Mercedes benzs on welfare?

Cool story criminal

kgp said:

That's not how it works, I vote for the special elite voter to vote for me. It was the left who begged, cried, and threatened the special elite voters to vote against what their very people voted for. See the difference? My state voted trump, so our electors did also. They didn't choose, the state did and they cast their vote accordingly.

Look at the map of 2016. The whole country is mostly red. The blues are mainly big populated cities. The majority of counties voted red. Yeah, hill billies, crackers, deplorables, whatever you want to call them all went out and voted. And only 61% of the population voted at all.

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I looked at the 2016 map and Hillary got more votes. She was by far the choice of the American people

But those special elite voters that you need to vote for you just ignored the will of the American people because slave states cried for special rights centuries ago

It’s all really pathetic, like you

hanimmal said:

You made it after you met your girl you said right? Mind if I ask if she is white and was she from the ghetto too?


You are looking at this all wrong. Quit thinking of it as somehow 'giving' people free shit. Instead think of it as a way to make it so all those kids that you grew up with would have had better information/resources to make better choices for society as a whole to benefit from. Your friend is a great example of why Trump's anti-immigration stance is bullshit. People who come here hungry and have parents with the drive to take and move out of their situation to have the ability to make a life in our country help us all far more than the ones that need a hand take.

Same with all of those kids you grew up with that are now dead or in jail. What a waste. How much better off as a society would we have been in if your neighborhood had top notch schools where you went and felt safe and got as much attention as you needed to do the best you could have the first time through? If the people you went to school with didn't have to try to pay attention while hungry, or sick but cannot afford to get help. How many had parents that were unable to help them out with their education and had no resources to use to try to help them?

This is such a easy thing that we could do for our country to get so much more from our population for such a small cost.

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Yes, my girl has a very similar upbringing as myself without committing any crimes. She was also poor, single mother. We are a team and build eachother up.

I live in grand rapids mi, very diverse area. They recently passed school of choice, meaning you don't have to be in the district to go to a certain school. The black communities were terrible. The comprehension and test scores were piss poor. Many took their kids and moved them to different schools. The bad schools are still bad, the mediocre schools and now becoming worse. It has nothing to do with the teachers or the color of the kids attending. Its the mentality. My nieces went to what I considered a good school but after the school of choice ruling, they were bullied, fought, and and ridicules daily. My mother now has to drive my nieces across town to a different school of choice.

What happened? The poor kids with no upbringing outran the school. They made it as bad as the school they left. The teachers have no control and are verbally abused and threatened when their kids misbehave. What good did this do? In my opinion, nothing...

I may be called racist for saying so, but the schools primarily black have much more problems and lower scores. The school my nieces go to was primarily white, until the new law passed, now its 75% black and have went downhill fast.

Is it the color of their skin? No! Is it the child's fault? No! Its the parents fault. If they cared they would teach their children how to behave and whats important, just like school. Would helping there financial situation change their attitudes and prioritize school, respect, and education?

Ive lived in and between Detroit and Ann Arbor pretty much my entire life. Been in city schools and rural schools, I was the first in my family to go to college with no understanding of what I was doing outside of wrestling and dropped out with a 1.6 GPA. I met the girl that would become my wife. She is pretty much the same, but her dad and mom both have degrees and she ended up going to about 4 different ones dropping out of each before we both dropped out and started waiting tables full time.

After a few years we decided we needed a change from the retail assistant management pathway I was on and her thinking about being a tattoo artist or hair dresser. I worked and put her through school for 7 years, she kicked ass, and is now has a Doctor of Pharmacy.

I went back and got as far as a couple years into a PhD in Statistics, MA in Econometrics and a BS in Actuarial Mathematics.
The highest math class I had prior to returning was geometry in High school, I had 7th graders in my math class as a senior, it was pretty embarrassing.

kgp said:

What happened? The poor kids with no upbringing outran the school. They made it as bad as the school they left. The teachers have no control and are verbally abused and threatened when their kids misbehave. What good did this do? In my opinion, nothing...

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My guess would be a combination of those kids having no actual preparation for the enviroment they were walking into and a percentage in the community that was pissed about having to do this got some confirmation bias. People see anything that is not instant success that they don't want to do as confirmation that what is being done is crap.

But life is a game of inches, the goal is for everyone to get a little better results than they would have anyways, or at least the same amount of results. Those kids coming to the better schools are doing so to be better able to be prepared to go to a college when they graduate. If they are that bad, keeping them all pooled up in a underfunded school is not helping them at all.

kgp said:

may be called racist for saying so, but the schools primarily black have much more problems and lower scores. The school my nieces go to was primarily white, until the new law passed, now its 75% black and have went downhill fast.

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That is the problem and why reparations being studied is a good thing for our country to do. People are people, you said so yourself, it is not a racial problem. Its a economic problem. By helping these communities who are still reeling from racist laws enacted by our government we would be saving the country so much money while increasing our productivity. This does not hurt white people, nothing is being taken away from them, it is just being sold as that being the case by racist propaganda.

kgp said:

Yes, my girl has a very similar upbringing as myself without committing any crimes. She was also poor, single mother. We are a team and build eachother up.

I live in grand rapids mi, very diverse area. They recently passed school of choice, meaning you don't have to be in the district to go to a certain school. The black communities were terrible. The comprehension and test scores were piss poor. Many took their kids and moved them to different schools. The bad schools are still bad, the mediocre schools and now becoming worse. It has nothing to do with the teachers or the color of the kids attending. Its the mentality. My nieces went to what I considered a good school but after the school of choice ruling, they were bullied, fought, and and ridicules daily. My mother now has to drive my nieces across town to a different school of choice.

What happened? The poor kids with no upbringing outran the school. They made it as bad as the school they left. The teachers have no control and are verbally abused and threatened when their kids misbehave. What good did this do? In my opinion, nothing...

I may be called racist for saying so, but the schools primarily black have much more problems and lower scores. The school my nieces go to was primarily white, until the new law passed, now its 75% black and have went downhill fast.

Is it the color of their skin? No! Is it the child's fault? No! Its the parents fault. If they cared they would teach their children how to behave and whats important, just like school. Would helping there financial situation change their attitudes and prioritize school, respect, and education?

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Reported as white supremacist spam

kgp said:

Yes, my girl has a very similar upbringing as myself without committing any crimes. She was also poor, single mother. We are a team and build eachother up.

I live in grand rapids mi, very diverse area. They recently passed school of choice, meaning you don't have to be in the district to go to a certain school. The black communities were terrible. The comprehension and test scores were piss poor. Many took their kids and moved them to different schools. The bad schools are still bad, the mediocre schools and now becoming worse. It has nothing to do with the teachers or the color of the kids attending. Its the mentality. My nieces went to what I considered a good school but after the school of choice ruling, they were bullied, fought, and and ridicules daily. My mother now has to drive my nieces across town to a different school of choice.

What happened? The poor kids with no upbringing outran the school. They made it as bad as the school they left. The teachers have no control and are verbally abused and threatened when their kids misbehave. What good did this do? In my opinion, nothing...

I may be called racist for saying so, but the schools primarily black have much more problems and lower scores. The school my nieces go to was primarily white, until the new law passed, now its 75% black and have went downhill fast.

Is it the color of their skin? No! Is it the child's fault? No! Its the parents fault. If they cared they would teach their children how to behave and whats important, just like school. Would helping there financial situation change their attitudes and prioritize school, respect, and education?

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Yeah, you are racist.