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Chongstar

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Indefinately said:
And Chong,

We are not trying to discourage you!

Pop some beans and get "a" grow under your belt!

Love to see new guys growing!

Just take it all in small systematic steps.
Before having a go at a massive grow.

You will smoke the best green you have ever had. As it will be the product of your own work.
From seed to weed!!!

Indefinately
" Let there me Green in 2016"
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Thanks again! Not discouraged, really eager! I see what your saying about doing a smaller TEST grow first, the only thing is that I have most of the equipment I need already. I have 6 1000 watt hids, and a 1000 cfm carbon filter, etc... Another thing I feel like I have in my favour is that I am able to be a slave to this grow (not a bad thing to me, this is what I wanted). I am able to spend all day focusing on this and fine tuning my skills to achieve the optimum results. I have learned a lot so far on this forum and none of it is daunting my optimism. I also feel like I can dial in and research everything step by step while I am going threw this process (3 months on hydro?) Similar to how NASA was able to troubleshoot with the Apollo threw their problems

Well anyway, now im down to 4 1000 watt hid flower room. I drew an illustration of the ventilation system I THINK would work for this room, mind you two things that I already have all of this stuff and it would also all be suspended on the ceiling. Please tell me if this would function properly and what I can do to tweek it better! Oh and PS I am using only one inline fan for the exhaust of this illustration because I figured since there were no longer six lights in the room, it would have a lot less heat to dispell


Today I'm going to research on what I can do to control the power better to make a safer enviorment for this op
 
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justugh said:
what he said

before u spend all the money to get the room up right
hydro u are looking at alot of money ......more then i think u understand
1the system...buckets pipping pumps air stones
2the water chiller.....hydro system the water needs to stay cool otherwise the roots cook and bad micros grow under HID light with 70% ir heat from hps lights u need something cooling the water down from the IR heat being absorbed tho the black plastic
3the phing gear....ph chemicals
4the feed

your looking at 2 k just in that basic gear for the room that size
10x10 u are looking at 9 plants ......3x3 foot print for flowering leaving 1 foot for pathways
9 plants in deep basket....u are looking at 30 gallons of water .....9 plants shallow basket u are looking at 40 gallons
that is 30 gallons worth of feed every week ......that is just flowering


to start off u should go the way alot of ppl do .........soil using organic based feed system (if u want u could do auto plants and remove the light time table from the learning )
soil with a organic based feed is the easiest grow u have .......the organic feed means u do not need to do any flushing like with chemical

2 3 grows learn the plant strain and tune the feeding to get the best out of it .......move to chemical based feed

hydro system are mostly chemical based feed with a small amount of organics to help the micros in the water ........hydro system u have to be on top of the game other wise the plant does bad as u are controlling everything for the root zone .....it is not ment for noobs with no exp at all to many variables the likely hood of a bad plant is to high to justify the cost for the learning curve

the soil will get u results .....as u get better u will make better weed ......personally i did 7 months of soil before i attempted a single dwc bucket experiment ........your talking going to a RDWC or a EBB and Flow system
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Most of the equipment I already have, OK I'm going to pick up a dehumidifyer and a water chiller once I figure out how to construct my ebb and flo tables (the only thing I don't have).
 
verticalgrow

verticalgrow

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Chongstar said:
Thanks again! Not discouraged, really eager! I see what your saying about doing a smaller TEST grow first, the only thing is that I have most of the equipment I need already. I have 6 1000 watt hids, and a 1000 cfm carbon filter, etc... Another thing I feel like I have in my favour is that I am able to be a slave to this grow (not a bad thing to me, this is what I wanted). I am able to spend all day focusing on this and fine tuning my skills to achieve the optimum results. I have learned a lot so far on this forum and none of it is daunting my optimism. I also feel like I can dial in and research everything step by step while I am going threw this process (3 months on hydro?) Similar to how NASA was able to troubleshoot with the Apollo threw their problems

Well anyway, now im down to 4 1000 watt hid flower room. I drew an illustration of the ventilation system I THINK would work for this room, mind you two things that I already have all of this stuff and it would also all be suspended on the ceiling. Please tell me if this would function properly and what I can do to tweek it better! Oh and PS I am using only one inline fan for the exhaust of this illustration because I figured since there were no longer six lights in the room, it would have a lot less heat to dispell


Today I'm going to research on what I can do to control the power better to make a safer enviorment for this op
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Starting with a plan is 1 thing but having the skills to excute that plan is another....
eg: What if a timer or pump fails? Do u have spares?
another eg: what if ur plants get bugs? Do u have 5 different bug sprays to combate 1000's of different bugs?
 
justugh

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Chongstar said:
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no it will not work u can not evenly split the load so it is effective like u think ..........many of us have tried in the end it does not work and u can not do it like that


sorry i do not got the time to write it all out right now .....i will get to after my think tomarrow odds are this is the last time i will be on here today i got jarring to do 2 pm here i only have 5 more hours in me before i need to sleep to be any good for tomarrow
 
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Indefinately said:
Buddy,

Forget about seed to flower.
Set up small area for mothers and Clones.

Grow a couple of mothers.
That way you know there all girls.
Grow them out and start cloning them for your flowering room.

Your area is about 3m x 3m

Just buy the tables and make your own stands if you want to save some money and diy.

You want a pound "per light"

What does that mean though..........?
In what type of system?
How many weeks veg?
Or sea of green ( no veg )?

If your thinking about yield it should be in GPW.
Not per light.
You need to include Vegging time when you calculate you GPW.

If you did a SOG :
2 x1000 watt HPS
2 x flood and drain tables 2m x 1m
You will fit 40 to 50 pots/plants per table
I used square pots 175mm

If you flower straight from clone, you should be able to achieve half an ounce to 3/4 of an ounce per plant , per cycle.
APPROXIMATELY!!!!

Yield Estimate first run:
Based on 80 plants ( can fit about 100 )
80 plants x 14g = 1120g
About 2.5 pounds every cycle
"Worst case scenario"

As you get better, you should be able to get 3/4 of an ounce per plant.
With both trays full at 100 plants .
That would be 2100g or 4.63 pounds

All you need now, is 80 to 100 well rooted clones and your ready to go!

Now crack some beans and show us all some photos.

Lol

Indefinately
" Let there be Green in 2016"
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Hey, I really like the way this sounds. Your right maybe I need to dial it down some before I get some exp under my belt. If I was to set up a room like this, could you go into detail on how to do it?

Also will I need to update my electricity box if its only two k in lights (plus flower room)?

And also will my vent illustration work if its only two k in lights (less heat). Justugh mentioned that a split type of heat removing system will not work with 4 lights, but will it work with two?
 
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justugh said:
no it will not work u can not evenly split the load so it is effective like u think ..........many of us have tried in the end it does not work and u can not do it like that


sorry i do not got the time to write it all out right now .....i will get to after my think tomarrow odds are this is the last time i will be on here today i got jarring to do 2 pm here i only have 5 more hours in me before i need to sleep to be any good for tomarrow
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Thanks for reviewing this, that would be great
 
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redi jedi said:
Looks good to me. I would remove the two 400cfm fans and use a larger main fan. Or split the loop into two legs, but if you already have the gear...giver.

If your runs are long, consider using tin/hard ducting. Flex duct is like running in deep sand.
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Thanks, but when you say use a larger main fan what do you mean ? I have 1000 cfm exhaust in drawing , are you saying use more than one fan like this? I'm not getting it
 
redi jedi

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Chongstar said:
Thanks, but when you say use a larger main fan what do you mean ? I have 1000 cfm exhaust in drawing , are you saying use more than one fan like this? I'm not getting it
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#2 in your drawing..myself I would go bigger...more cfm 12-1400ish and get rid of the two smaller fans (#7). You wont need the intake fan #8
 
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redi jedi said:
#2 in your drawing..myself I would go bigger...more cfm 12-1400ish and get rid of the two smaller fans (#7). You wont need the intake fan #8
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Ok , I'll use the second inline fan I have for the veg room. Would like to know though, justugh mentioned this wouldn't work? Could you tell me why it would? Just want to m kw
 
redi jedi

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Chongstar said:
Ok , I'll use the second inline fan I have for the veg room. Would like to know though, justugh mentioned this wouldn't work? Could you tell me why it would? Just want to m kw
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Im pretty sure that dude is nuts...just look at his picture..would you take advice from that guy?
 
Indefinately

Indefinately

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Chongstar said:
Hey, I really like the way this sounds. Your right maybe I need to dial it down some before I get some exp under my belt. If I was to set up a room like this, could you go into detail on how to do it?

Also will I need to update my electricity box if its only two k in lights (plus flower room)?

And also will my vent illustration work if its only two k in lights (less heat). Justugh mentioned that a split type of heat removing system will not work with 4 lights, but will it work with two?
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Hey Chong,

Not sure what details your after?
I based my Op on Al B Fuct
Check out his thread, it's long as hell but there is allot of great information. Sad all the images are gone. I printed thousands of pages of that thread to have on "file" just in case this site went am down. So I have it in a folder with all my other grow books/bibles.
He makes some changes from the first few pages of thread to the last.
But the "idea" of how he ran his op was the same.

Al's thread -

Ask questions along the way and I'll do my best to help.

How can I tell you if you need to update your power with knowing what power you currently have available?
You need an electrician!
I don't play with power.

If your planning to get to a four or six light system. Even though your starting out with one or two to get some experience. You still need to upgrade your power to the maximum lights you want to be at NOW! Before there's plants. You were worried about what to tell the electrician the powers for before? What will you tell him when the place is already full of plants?you won't be able to have visitors, let alone electricians.

How come you have all this equipment but you have never grown before?

I would set up ventilation differently, but I can't draw it up for at the moment. I'm summer Justugh will do it up for you buddy.
 
Indefinately

Indefinately

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Hey Chong,

Not sure what details your after?

I based my Op on Al B Fuct
Check out his thread, it's long as hell but there is allot of great information. Sad all the images are gone. I printed thousands of pages of that thread to have on "file" just in case this site went am down. So I have it in a folder with all my other grow books/bibles.
He makes some changes from the first few pages of thread to the last.
But the "idea" of how he ran his op was the same.

Al's threads-

https://www.rollitup.org/t/al-b-faqt.94811/

https://www.rollitup.org/t/get-a-harvest-every-2-weeks.6592/

https://www.rollitup.org/t/a-batch-of-clones-in-rockwool.15030/

https://www.rollitup.org/t/its-a-fuct-world.399206/

Above there is about 1000 hours of reading
Hahaha
Enjoy


Indefinately
" Let there be Green in 2016 "
 
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Chongstar

Member
Indefinately said:
Hey Chong,

Not sure what details your after?
I based my Op on Al B Fuct
Check out his thread, it's long as hell but there is allot of great information. Sad all the images are gone. I printed thousands of pages of that thread to have on "file" just in case this site went am down. So I have it in a folder with all my other grow books/bibles.
He makes some changes from the first few pages of thread to the last.
But the "idea" of how he ran his op was the same.

Al's thread -

Ask questions along the way and I'll do my best to help.

How can I tell you if you need to update your power with knowing what power you currently have available?
You need an electrician!
I don't play with power.

If your planning to get to a four or six light system. Even though your starting out with one or two to get some experience. You still need to upgrade your power to the maximum lights you want to be at NOW! Before there's plants. You were worried about what to tell the electrician the powers for before? What will you tell him when the place is already full of plants?you won't be able to have visitors, let alone electricians.

How come you have all this equipment but you have never grown before?

I would set up ventilation differently, but I can't draw it up for at the moment. I'm summer Justugh will do it up for you buddy.
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Hey indefinetly,
Yeah your right, better of doing that now with getting the power secured. Wish I knew a better way to set up the vent, but I guess maybe I could find something under Al B Duct journals like you said. On the journals does he have a guide to build the hydro tables? Also does a room with 2k lights need 2 inline fans (1000 cfm each), no right?

Also PS in a veg room, his many mothers can I keep under a 1000 water and how many clones would that get me in how long? My estimate was about 200 from like 12 plants. But then again I really don't know..

Why did I purchase all this equipment before I started? Misinformation. This is my first time even on a forum, I was not aware of how tedious and educational this would be
 
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Chongstar

Member
Chongstar said:
Hey indefinetly,
Yeah your right, better of doing that now with getting the power secured. Wish I knew a better way to set up the vent, but I guess maybe I could find something under Al B Fuct journals like you said. On the journals does he have a guide to build the hydro tables? Also does a room with 2k lights need 2 inline fans (1000 cfm each), no right?

Also PS in a veg room, his many mothers can I keep under a 1000 water and how many clones would that get me in how long? My estimate was about 200 from like 12 plants. But then again I really don't know..

Why did I purchase all this equipment before I started? Misinformation. I thought I actually KNEW something about doing this from my research, but there where something's that couldn't be explained the way I needed them. This is my first time even on a forum, I was not aware of how tedious and educational this would be ( I have a lot of respect for the art)
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