NiceDTW - cheap & simple
grow plants in Air pots filled with coco & heres example of what coco in pots can do
https://www.rollitup.org/t/50000-square-feet-colorado-legal-rec-grow.883667/
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Would this work
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justugh
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what are u doing .........did u design a massive op and under think the power needs
as for running cords .....it does work but it is a bitch and once u do it the area is only accessable by the few u trust (u become a hermit for safety reason)
Indefinately
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You seriously talking about extension cords?
Mate,
You should start with one plant and do allot of reading before you start thinking about the op your considering.
Start small
Learn the basics
Coco medium in some warrior pots like " Vertical Grow" suggested is spot on I think.
https://www.sunlightsupply.com/shop/bycategory/pots-containers/plant-warrior-pots
People scare me when they think there going to have a few 1000w lights running with extension cables all over the place.
One thing is guaranteed.
Eventually, a fire!
Be smart!
Take care
Indefinately
Mate,
You should start with one plant and do allot of reading before you start thinking about the op your considering.
Start small
Learn the basics
Coco medium in some warrior pots like " Vertical Grow" suggested is spot on I think.
https://www.sunlightsupply.com/shop/bycategory/pots-containers/plant-warrior-pots
People scare me when they think there going to have a few 1000w lights running with extension cables all over the place.
One thing is guaranteed.
Eventually, a fire!
Be smart!
Take care
Indefinately
justugh
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what the other guy posted is 100% right
what u are talking about here is a major supply grow something like that could put out several LBs a month once dialed in
to do this right is going to take time and money .......with hydro even more money
1 the protection u need is called IR blocking .........it is mylar with bubble wrap in the middle
A) using this makes the room hotter but protects from the Flair cameras of cops
B) using this stuff means u need a over powered AC in the room like 3 ton with 6 1000w hids
2 the clip on fans are just there to help remove the IR heat building up on the leaves and buds (cool breeze when out in the sun type of thing) but u need to have a supply of cool air for it to work correctly
3 6 1000w hids u are looking at at least 2 fans if not 3 (the fans have a temp cut off of about 130/140 ......the inline fans not the boosters) so the heat from the 2 1000w is going to be close 3 u can use but has to be in a special set up (1 in front 2 be hide so this means u are hanging the fan middle of the room somewhere not the wall)..........this is running a cooltube/airhood system
4 insulated ducting is going to help on the heat bleed back inot the air ......but the ir blocker is going to trap the heat made ......it needs to be cooled with a AC even with a extraction system dumping hot air
5 with the number of hids u have and fact it is covered in IR blocker u are moving away from extraction for heat control to a sealed system with cooltubes running outside air(not air in the grow but in the house passing over the lights and getting dumped out)
6 a sealed room is safer for hidden massive money makers .....but it cost more u need to supply CO2 during the lights on time for the plants to use
a) controller unit to keep lvls at 1500ppm during lights one
b) burner unit (your area is to big for co2 tanks to be cost effective) propain is easier to buy with out being noticed
c) a mini split ac 3 ton .....cooling the area and RH control
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justugh
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all that is just the gear
u need to have it wired up
1000w hids are about 8.9 on 110volt so u can only do 2 per 20 amp breaker and u need to stagger the fire up (fire up is like 11.2 amps)
the AC system is going to need it own breaker 30 amp
support gear looking at 2 breakers 20 amp to split the load
then u need to have some sort of power back up .........if the grid goes down u can last a few hours before they drowned in the water so u need to have a genny that is electronic friendly (volt reguralor and surge protector with a power converter)
.........your looking at 2 or 3 gennies .......spilt the load so the propain/gas last longer as power is out u need to go far to get more fuel
u need to have it wired up
1000w hids are about 8.9 on 110volt so u can only do 2 per 20 amp breaker and u need to stagger the fire up (fire up is like 11.2 amps)
the AC system is going to need it own breaker 30 amp
support gear looking at 2 breakers 20 amp to split the load
then u need to have some sort of power back up .........if the grid goes down u can last a few hours before they drowned in the water so u need to have a genny that is electronic friendly (volt reguralor and surge protector with a power converter)
.........your looking at 2 or 3 gennies .......spilt the load so the propain/gas last longer as power is out u need to go far to get more fuel
SoOLED
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extension cords to where? I don't see anyone running more then one, two 1100 hps in an APT
with that kind of power you should be using 12 gauge, not more then 50ft, 25ft or less is ideal.
TBH, with that set up, a sub-panel is (only) I would run it.
IMHO this one needs to go back to the planning stage, with more reasonable goals.
Joegrowsalot
Member
If your going cheep and simple what about a top feed hempy pot a small pump and some drip lines bada-boom bada-bing simple easy hwmpy that could be rigged up with cheep hoses aso you can water all of them at once or a bunch of them. how about a bucket vac for the drip trays/out flow
Joegrowsalot
Member
This guy is on the money .your going to make so meny mistakes your budget will be shot and your plant will die of root rot or you will do something bone headed and make it so the Ziff is unsmokable.
Speeking from exapeance
Wax on
Wax off
Very important breath
Wax on
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qballizhere
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I grow perpetual 24 plants a month in coco only flower 60 days no more than 70
I guess i did.. didnt really know that 6 lights would classify as a large grow op but (not being sarcastic), i guess i got to put more thought into the power this will consume. I do have 2 fans and they are both inlinr rated at 1000 cfm each (they pull 300 watts each alone fml) but yeah.. not so worried about being a hermit i dont plan on having alot of company no one will ever see this and also it will be in a house (4 bedroom that i live in not an apartment.
With that being said would you reccomened i just split the rooms up into two rooms of 3 lights each? If i do this then can i just use one inline fan per room ? I was trying to avoid that to save money on carbon filter and etc.
No doubt in my mind about having alot to learn. I want to make my goal successfully however, and i am confident i can be successful with one light. Since i feel like i CAN with ONE i might as well with SIX. I have most of the equipment i need now for what i was shooting for. Maybe i need to just dial down my workload not to overshoot my expectations. Therefore now im considering a soil grow to keep things simple. Can i get a ppund per 1000 watt light with a soil grow at my level? Also if i were to draw my room design on a peice of paper then take a picture of it could you comment and help me arrange it better
Your probably right, i do neet to head back to drawing board but, to be honest there are houses that use more electricicty then that. Im sure i could set up a safe electricity source without being a electrician
K, getting better picture of this..
1 will pick that up, i also bought a flir camera to double check and make sure im not emiiting a bunch of heat
3 understood, im going to redesign my room blueprint. Can i draw a picture and post it of my blueprint for you to examine?
5 & 6 could you explain these two beteer
Indefinately
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Hey Chong,
You have had some experienced growers comment and give there opinion.
I don't mean to discourage you in any way.
I don't think anyone does.
Just trying to be logical and most importantly "safe" about your grow.
Since its your first, I suggest you don't run it at max capacity or full load as far as lighting is concerned.
If you are intent on running large scale op, you should get an electrician in now before there's any plants here. Have seperate beakers installed specifiacally for your grow op! No bodgy electrical jobs. As a fire will bring an end to your growing career and most likely your freedom.
I happy to have a look at any drawings you put up.
Have you cracked any seeds yet?
Takes a while to start up.......
You have time to get things right.
I have never been a fan of Soil Personally.
My opinion would be coco.
Nice and easy soilless medium.
Good intro to hydro.
Heaps of guys are here to help if your serious!
If you are serious......
Take power seriously!
Indefinately
" Let there be Green in 2016"
Dude.. thanks for the support( sincerely)
I take this veerrryyy serious. Not offended by what anyone said actually feel the complete opposite i appreciate the kick back and the words of wisdom from people who have BEEN THERE. Seriously thank you guys (n gals). Not discouraged one bit. So, PLEASE.... help me make this work! Therefore.. ok im gonna look into an electrician. Gotta be honest, im not to crazy about having someone come in and i tell them what.....?
Your not a fan of soils? Me neither. I would be willing to do soil however if it would make it that much easier, but its not the direction i wanted to go in. Coco medium? I was leaninjng towards the clay pebble type media but im going to do my homework on the coco if you say its that much easier
Indefinately
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Hey Chong,
Good to hear mate.
Crack some seeds and start slowly.
In a few months you will be cranking At full capacity.
I wouldn't suggested expanded clay personally
But you need to pick a system before the medium.
Any questions, there's are heaps of guys here to help.
Good luck
Joegrowsalot
Member
Wow big up fellas for the encouragement .....
I love looking at dr aws and stuff .
If your going soil and your building your own it takes a good three months to cook down so it won't burn your plant a .
I like hempy ,ebb flo ,dwc when you get your ph and your ppms down .
But super compost soil grows are some of the lowest maintenance grows lots of work up frount ...
Any how yea I would start small and build on but that's just me good luck and grow dank
I love looking at dr aws and stuff .
If your going soil and your building your own it takes a good three months to cook down so it won't burn your plant a .
I like hempy ,ebb flo ,dwc when you get your ph and your ppms down .
But super compost soil grows are some of the lowest maintenance grows lots of work up frount ...
Any how yea I would start small and build on but that's just me good luck and grow dank
justugh
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5 is simple the IR blocker reflects 98% of the heat ........on the outside part it will match the outside temp (it is reflecting it back out ).....but the inside where the plants are it will do the same thing .....but it will trap the heat and it will keep building up (it can not bleed off into the walls or up on the ceiling )
take a blanket put it over your head and sit like that for 15 mins .......take it off u feel that temp different just after 15 mins .....in the grow room will be just like that (even with a extraction system) .........to go hidden like u want u need to have a over powered AC unit in the area to control the temps (85 is the highest u can let it get with adding Co2 78 the highest u can let it get with out adding Co2)
at 80f THC starts to degrade into in cbns .....co2 adds a 5 8 degree cushion on that
6 there are 2 types of grow rooms
1 exchange grow room.......this is where u are drawling in fresh air and co2 into the room.... room using a air ducting system
2 is a sealed room ......there is no air flow path u are adding Co2 for the plants and u are controlling the evo in the area
room 1 is the most common ppl using air to cool the temps in the place .....but with u sealing it up with IR blocker air exchange for cooling is not a effective method ......u need to have a mini split in the area to keep the temp in the range u want
a mini split is a AC system that uses no ducting or windows .......it is done with a 2 inch hole tho the wall to allow the compressor to set outside or in other room .....basically the air is drawlen over a fan with a coil system in it like a normal AC ....except it is only cycling the air in the room not the air from anywhere else
a Co2 system is a must with a sealed room ......plants use Co2 like we use oxygen when lights are on (when lights are off they use Oxygen not co2) .........so a sealed room u need to add Co2 gas so the plants can work and build up ......the best lvl is 1500ppm ....this will make the plants go boom with power to build (but 1500ppm is in the deadly zone for ppl .....no more then 10 mins in the grow area when the burner is on .....co2 will make u go flush red then get giggly and finally pass out and die )
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