would please someone explain molasses. to me.

i used it a long time ago. and it burnt my plants. so., how much, at what stages, and what does it do?? i dont think plants use carbs like we do. is it just a flavor enhancer, or something to cover up the choice, burnt flavor, of a non-existent flush!?. keeping em alive, thru a flush cycle, so they dont lose bud girth, etc? im interested. thanks!!!

I think it helps out the sugar using living things in the soil when growing organic.

yes, but its all preety much organic anymore. regardless if it says so or not. the chemicals, in our line, are gone. mostly.......most mmj ferts, are not organic. or they dident pay for the label. really. and the only thing i have EVER burned my girls withl, is ORGANICS. please, do not call this hate speech. it is my personal exp. and, while there are those who get mad, if the truth gets out, im not one of them. truth is truth. lol. thanks, all.-rob

gosh. so far so good. i mean, think about it. our current "administration" could declare, that ANY ADVERSE TALK, about organics, will be deemed " hate speech", and subject to sensorship. like so many other topics, that are to "uncomfortable to answer"......

i've used molasses for about 3 years now, never anything burn wise
you may have used an excessive amount, 1 tbsp per gallon seems pretty safe

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gosh. so far so good. i mean, think about it. our current "administration" could declare, that ANY ADVERSE TALK, about organics, will be deemed " hate speech", and subject to sensorship. like so many other topics, that are to "uncomfortable to answer"......

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lol, thats some funny shit right there.

blindbaby said:

gosh. so far so good. i mean, think about it. our current "administration" could declare, that ANY ADVERSE TALK, about organics, will be deemed " hate speech", and subject to sensorship. like so many other topics, that are to "uncomfortable to answer"......

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Was that the reason for starting the thread? To post that. Or are you actually interested in molasses connected to marijuana growing? Because someone has given you a pretty on point answer.

I'm all for fighting modernity, using whatever tools; ridiculing the normal even. But this is the 'General Marijuana Growing Forum' - not a conspiracy debate stage.

Just my thoughts on this thread.

Bio-Bizz nutrients are EEC certified organic - their 'Grow' is based on molasses, as the natural sugars help stimulate the soil.

Bio-Bizz said:

Bio·Grow® activates the bacterial flora in the substrate thanks to it basis of 100% Dutch organic sugar beet extract, commonly known as molasses. Molasses is a syrup that contains sugar. It forms as a by-product of sugar manufacturing using sugar beet or sugar cane. Wheat starch is the other important raw material used for the production of grain alcohol. Before being fermented, starch is transformed into glucose with the help of enzymes. So, in other words, molasses are a by-product or residue of a natural fermentation process. They differ from other raw materials due to their high betaine content that helps activate micro activity in the soil through a process of organic facilitation. Bio·Grow® contains 70 trace elements and vitamins B1, B2, C, and E. Just like all Biobizz® products it has a low phosphate content, as this substance is considered harmful to our bodies and the environment.

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http://www.biobizz.com/products/organic-fertilizers/bio-grow

potassium bro!

blindbaby said:

yes, but its all preety much organic anymore. regardless if it says so or not. the chemicals, in our line, are gone. mostly.......most mmj ferts, are not organic. or they dident pay for the label. really. and the only thing i have EVER burned my girls withl, is ORGANICS. please, do not call this hate speech. it is my personal exp. and, while there are those who get mad, if the truth gets out, im not one of them. truth is truth. lol. thanks, all.-rob

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Don't really understand a lot of that. Just, based upon your first post, that you tried something without any clue as to why you were doing it or what you were supposed to do, even. Also, it doesn't really seem like you have any real grasp on this whole 'organics' concept. Are you sure you really understand what organic production is about?

As for the molasses, how in the hell much did you use? We also don't know what you used. You shouldn't have used sulfured molasses. For soil growing you want to use blackstrap molasses and it can be at rates ranging from a teaspoon to a tablespoon per gallon. Blackstrap is essentially a by-product of the sugar refining industry. Either beets or sugar cane juice is heated and spun to extract the sucrose. After the 3rd extraction you have blackstrap, which still contains some sucrose, fructose, glucose and other carbohydrates but also has significant concentrations of minerals; particularly potassium. It contains chelated iron, manganese, copper as well as calcium and magnesium.

Plant roots do not absorb significant amounts of exogenous sugars, microbes living in the soil, symbionts (mycorrhizal fungi, N-fixing bacteria) will utilize the applied carbohydrates and this will indirectly benefit the plant.

^^^^^ listen and learn children

blindbaby said:

gosh. so far so good. i mean, think about it. our current "administration" could declare, that ANY ADVERSE TALK, about organics, will be deemed " hate speech", and subject to sensorship. like so many other topics, that are to "uncomfortable to answer"......

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I was going you tell you, but not any more. Put it on your pancakes.

So if I get some sugar, like a teaspoon n added it to a gallon of water n watered my plants like that, that would essentially do the same thing just not as controlled?? I wouldnt do that anyway. Seems like a good way to attract unwanted pests. Jw thoe.?

No. No that wouldn't essentially do the same thing... not quite at all.

White table sugar is purified sucrose, as in a chemical substance. Blackstrap molasses is a complex mixture of substances; among them minerals, vitamins, and carbohydrates including some sucrose (a disaccharide). However, molasses also contains other carbohydrates, including the simple sugars (monosaccharides) glucose and fructose. Sucrose is a disaccharide, and it itself is comprised of the two monosaccharides glucose and fructose, containing one molecule of each.

Molasses also contains lesser amounts of other carbohydrates that are not simple sugars or complex carbohydrates. These are known as oligosaccharides and the primary in molasses is raffinose.

Why this is pertinent, besides the fact that pure table sugar contains absolutely no minerals (which microbes themselves require), is that different kinds of microbes tends to prefer or are able to utilize different carbohydrate sources. The most obvious and general example is bacteria versus fungi; bacteria are able to multiple rapidly and make quick use of simple sugars. But, many bacteria lack the enzymes required to harness the energy stored in the more complex carbohydrates. Fungi possess these enzymes, which allows them to break down cellulose, chitin and other complex organic polymers that are not carbohydrates.

dude you are hilarious but you nailed it.

Good shit........

is blackstrap better then organic the otherday i bought some of that earthjuice molassas

You can find certain brands of blackstrap labeled organic, including Plantation Blackstrap and others. Earth Juice Hi-Brix Molasses for plants is also fine for soil applications and tea brewing. I believe the Hi-Brix has a slightly higher sugar content than most brands of blackstrap in the supermarket would. Potassium content also varies a bit between brands, but 1st and 2nd molasses (e.g. Grandma's molasses) will contain much less potassium.

thank you sir.

What ever you do don't use too much with the combination of over watering.Molasses rotted the stalk of one of my plants when i added a lil too much and it smelled horrible.

Uh, so then, over-watering gave you root-rot. That sucks man. You really want to avoid keeping your plants drenched all the time, and letting them sit in stagnant water. Plant roots breathe oxygen you know, and so do aerobic organisms... which are the kind we like dominating the substrate. Oxygen doesn't dissolve very well in water... and without it our friendly aerobic-respiration ceases, giving rise to anaerobic conditions, and anaerobes which are pathogenic or produce toxins (e.g. alcohols).