World Of Hempy

sky rocket

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Hey hempy guys I figure I would give y'all some info on growing clones straight from rooted clones to flower. I got the info from a guy who is really knowledgable in growing in 2l using vermiculite and perlite.

Many of you reading this may be familiar with the 2L Hempy style of growing. However, many may not. I've learned some things along the way that are vital when it comes to getting the absolute MOST out of your 2 Liters. I have done this for a while and I truly believe that the difference between good and great lies in the details. Pay attention to every single facet of your garden. Your plants will talk to you every single day. As a grower, it's your job to learn to understand what they're saying. After many years, I know exactly how to understand what my particular pheno of Snow White is telling me. Paying attention to the details in every part of my garden allows me to produce desired results.


Here are some Tidbits to remember if you decide to run a 2L Hempy grow:


* Big clones = Big SOG plants -- The bigger the clone you start with, the bigger your end product. My clones are 6-8 inches tall. If you start with a 3 inch clone, naturally, it won't be able to keep pace with those 8 inchers.
* The root system is EVERYTHING -- My good friend and master grower Mr. Smith gave me this good advice years ago and it ESPECIALLY rings true when growing the way I do. Remember, I send my clones straight to 12/12 so they don't get any veg time. Therefore, my girls only have roughly 23 days to add all their vertical growth. More vertical growth obviously equals larger plants and more bud production overall. It's VITAL that 2L plants get a very fast start in order to finish strong. The only way to assure that fast start is making sure that your clones have a vigorous root system when buried in the 2Liter. The roots should be circling the bottom of the res when the clone is buried.


When I read writings from Hempy himself he talked of having to water the clones daily or even twice a day until the roots hit the res but I find this flawed. You're wasting days doing this. They REALLY start growing when the roots hit the res. Waiting on them to get there is a waste of precious time.


Find a strain that will throw long, vigorous root systems in the aero cloner and you have a potential winner on your hands. I cannot stress how important it is to take big clones with hearty root systems when growing this way.


* I've cut an additional 2" off the top of my 2Liters. They're probably more like 1.5Liter pots at this point. Shaving this 2" allows me to get my babies planted a little faster and the pot is still big enough to get the job done with no issues with roots getting bound.
* Make sure the water you're pouring on them is room temp. In the winter time, cold water runs out of my spigot at 40*. I know it's common knowledge that cold water will stunt plants but many don't think about it in the winter time and simply fill their feeding jugs with frigid water. Trust me, in this style of growing, it'll stunt this shit out of them. How do I know? I've done it to test it and the results were ugly.
* Find a strain that doesn't want to branch on you. A single, tall, thick, main cola...and lots of them... is what we're shooting for.
 

Praetorian

Well-Known Member
Hey hempy guys I figure I would give y'all some info on growing clones straight from rooted clones to flower. I got the info from a guy who is really knowledgable in growing in 2l using vermiculite and perlite.

Many of you reading this may be familiar with the 2L Hempy style of growing. However, many may not. I've learned some things along the way that are vital when it comes to getting the absolute MOST out of your 2 Liters. I have done this for a while and I truly believe that the difference between good and great lies in the details. Pay attention to every single facet of your garden. Your plants will talk to you every single day. As a grower, it's your job to learn to understand what they're saying. After many years, I know exactly how to understand what my particular pheno of Snow White is telling me. Paying attention to the details in every part of my garden allows me to produce desired results.


Here are some Tidbits to remember if you decide to run a 2L Hempy grow:


* Big clones = Big SOG plants -- The bigger the clone you start with, the bigger your end product. My clones are 6-8 inches tall. If you start with a 3 inch clone, naturally, it won't be able to keep pace with those 8 inchers.
* The root system is EVERYTHING -- My good friend and master grower Mr. Smith gave me this good advice years ago and it ESPECIALLY rings true when growing the way I do. Remember, I send my clones straight to 12/12 so they don't get any veg time. Therefore, my girls only have roughly 23 days to add all their vertical growth. More vertical growth obviously equals larger plants and more bud production overall. It's VITAL that 2L plants get a very fast start in order to finish strong. The only way to assure that fast start is making sure that your clones have a vigorous root system when buried in the 2Liter. The roots should be circling the bottom of the res when the clone is buried.


When I read writings from Hempy himself he talked of having to water the clones daily or even twice a day until the roots hit the res but I find this flawed. You're wasting days doing this. They REALLY start growing when the roots hit the res. Waiting on them to get there is a waste of precious time.


Find a strain that will throw long, vigorous root systems in the aero cloner and you have a potential winner on your hands. I cannot stress how important it is to take big clones with hearty root systems when growing this way.


* I've cut an additional 2" off the top of my 2Liters. They're probably more like 1.5Liter pots at this point. Shaving this 2" allows me to get my babies planted a little faster and the pot is still big enough to get the job done with no issues with roots getting bound.
* Make sure the water you're pouring on them is room temp. In the winter time, cold water runs out of my spigot at 40*. I know it's common knowledge that cold water will stunt plants but many don't think about it in the winter time and simply fill their feeding jugs with frigid water. Trust me, in this style of growing, it'll stunt this shit out of them. How do I know? I've done it to test it and the results were ugly.
* Find a strain that doesn't want to branch on you. A single, tall, thick, main cola...and lots of them... is what we're shooting for.
Great post Sky, you really should put this in a stand alone thread and get the mods to sticky it honestly. I agree with everything here and practice these methods as well - long roots when they go into the res, find a strain with minimal side branching, take clones that have consistent girth and height. Bravo, +rep for you.
 

WattSaver

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@ Dr.J20

To me it looks like they've had an excess of something, to cause the burning, and it looks like you have a severe lock-out. One question to you about your fan leaves stems on the hard faders. I see the dark purple/red of the leaf stem this is a sign of the plant is eating itself up. Do these leaves just fall off or do they stay connected even after the leaf is completely shriveled up???
 

Moebius

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Great post Sky, you really should put this in a stand alone thread and get the mods to sticky it honestly. I agree with everything here and practice these methods as well - long roots when they go into the res, find a strain with minimal side branching, take clones that have consistent girth and height. Bravo, +rep for you.
In Perlite, I would 100% agree this to be best practice, but. ..... I tend to think these rules are substrate and strain specific. Once familiar with both, one can experiment with when they put their clones into 2L.

These clones went in about 10days ago with about 3 inches of root and hit the res 3 days after transplant.



I find it tricky to fit the Mapito around long roots. I can't find a way to do it. In perlite its easy, you just hold the clone and pour the perl around the roots.

edit:

Ive also posted pics of clones rooted in RW cubes and placed on 2L Mapito hempys. and the roots hit the bottom in days too.

With a drenched Mapito substrate its almost like having a res the length of the Hempy.(with daily watering)
 

Moebius

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Great post Sky, you really should put this in a stand alone thread and get the mods to sticky it honestly. I agree with everything here and practice these methods as well
I've said it before but .....

We really need a Hempy section, I'm not sure of the stats but I get the feeling its becoming one of the most popular methods. Info like that provided by sky could and should be set out with diagrams and pictures and made sticky.

Without a dedicated forum its difficult to get a little community going and explorer all aspects of Hempy growing.

With a Hempy section we could set up specific threads on ideal strains or substrates or experimental designs. I really wanted to push for this but RIU seemed against it from the off.

Someone suggested to me that it may be because they don't want to mess with the servers as this could lose data if things go wrong. Who knows? but their suggestion that the DWC section is the place for passive hydro doesnt work for me. I don't know what else (if anything) could be done to continue this conversation with RIU but I hope the issue is not just forgotten about.
 

blacksun

New Member
Hmmm...they just put in a "game it up" section for discussion of video games. Not sure why they couldn't make a hempy sub section. Granted, I don't think they moved any threads over, just made the section. But it would be a nice start.
 

Shaggn

Well-Known Member
I've said it before but .....

We really need a Hempy section, I'm not sure of the stats but I get the feeling its becoming one of the most popular methods. Info like that provided by sky could and should be set out with diagrams and pictures and made sticky.

Without a dedicated forum its difficult to get a little community going and explorer all aspects of Hempy growing.

With a Hempy section we could set up specific threads on ideal strains or substrates or experimental designs. I really wanted to push for this but RIU seemed against it from the off.

Someone suggested to me that it may be because they don't want to mess with the servers as this could lose data if things go wrong. Who knows? but their suggestion that the DWC section is the place for passive hydro doesnt work for me. I don't know what else (if anything) could be done to continue this conversation with RIU but I hope the issue is not just forgotten about.
I seen their response also and thought it isn't anything like DWC. I guess all we can do (All hempy growers) is start threads with the header stating the specifics on the hempy process, e.g; 100% perlite, perm/verm mix, coco and the like. I'd much rather read through 100+ threads, knowing the specifics of the process involved rather than looking for the desired info in a 200++ page thread. Although because there isn't a Hempy section, we're all stuck at having to search for that desired info. You have started an awesome thread Moebius, lets hope eventually they will add a Hempy section!!

Hmmm...they just put in a "game it up" section for discussion of video games. Not sure why they couldn't make a hempy sub section. Granted, I don't think they moved any threads over, just made the section. But it would be a nice start.
That could be the ticket. Make a Hempy section and don't move anything. Could link the other hempy threads in the new one, if created!!
 

Moebius

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Hmmm...they just put in a "game it up" section for discussion of video games. Not sure why they couldn't make a hempy sub section. Granted, I don't think they moved any threads over, just made the section. But it would be a nice start.
Oh have they ? ... So its not a technical issue :confused:

I seen their response also and thought it isn't anything like DWC. I guess all we can do (All hempy growers) is start threads with the header stating the specifics on the hempy process, e.g; 100% perlite, perm/verm mix, coco and the like. I'd much rather read through 100+ threads, knowing the specifics of the process involved rather than looking for the desired info in a 200++ page thread. Although because there isn't a Hempy section, we're all stuck at having to search for that desired info. You have started an awesome thread Moebius, lets hope eventually they will add a Hempy section!!



That could be the ticket. Make a Hempy section and don't move anything. Could link the other hempy threads in the new one, if created!!
Are you suggesting creating a thread thats a directory/list just of Hempy theads?

That could work. The problem would be that without regular updating it would fall off the 1st page and get lost amongst the other threads.

One way around this would be if enough of 'us' kept a link in our signature to said 'Hempy Grow Directory' in the same way as I do for ...... :leaf:World of Hempy:leaf:.

If one of the regulars @WOH want to start it, I'll be happy to add the link in my sig. Any thoughts? Good or Bad idea?
 

blacksun

New Member
Nay, he means they could make a hempy subforum for us and then not move anything over to it, it would be a blank slate. Guys would have to make new threads in the new subforum and link to the old ones here in the general section.
 

blacksun

New Member
I saw the subsection thread you posted in the suggestions forum:

https://www.rollitup.org/make-your-requests/605058-sub-sections.html

(link for other people)

One word to sum that up (that is pg13, lol):

Dang.

I can kind of see where he's coming from, even if the definitions of "passive/active watering" he used were a little strange to me in that thread...the thing is, hempy is a collection of many good growing methods all combined into a great growing method. Don't forget the recirculating hempy setups that still use a pump and even airstones! If we got a subforum, then the flood and drain guys would want their own. Drain to waste. In the end, the general hydro forum might turn into a ghost town because all the different methods would have their own subforum.

Although, now that I think about it, that would actually be kind of nice. It would be cleaned up.

People with general hydro questions, perhaps they aren't sure about what method they are using, could post in general.

And the subforums could have stickies with each method's specific nute levels, feed times, mediums, setups, diagrams, pictures, ect ect ect...It would make it much easier to find information quickly. They made a separate aerogarden forum because it got big. The did the same for the dwc forum, because dwc was big there for a while. Well...hempy is getting big now.

I wonder if it's harder to patrol the multiple subforums for admins. That may be another reason he is seemingly outright opposed.
 

Moebius

Well-Known Member
I saw the subsection thread you posted in the suggestions forum:

https://www.rollitup.org/make-your-requests/605058-sub-sections.html

(link for other people)

One word to sum that up (that is pg13, lol):

Dang.

I can kind of see where he's coming from, even if the definitions of "passive/active watering" he used were a little strange to me in that thread...the thing is, hempy is a collection of many good growing methods all combined into a great growing method. Don't forget the recirculating hempy setups that still use a pump and even airstones! If we got a subforum, then the flood and drain guys would want their own. Drain to waste. In the end, the general hydro forum might turn into a ghost town because all the different methods would have their own subforum.

Although, now that I think about it, that would actually be kind of nice. It would be cleaned up.

People with general hydro questions, perhaps they aren't sure about what method they are using, could post in general.

And the subforums could have stickies with each method's specific nute levels, feed times, mediums, setups, diagrams, pictures, ect ect ect...It would make it much easier to find information quickly. They made a separate aerogarden forum because it got big. The did the same for the dwc forum, because dwc was big there for a while. Well...hempy is getting big now.

I wonder if it's harder to patrol the multiple subforums for admins. That may be another reason he is seemingly outright opposed.
I concur 100% with what youve said.

I think the F&D guys should have their own sub section with stickies. How many times have you seen questions about how often to flood a table? and for how long? IMO better organisation could only enhance the look of RIU and make it more pleasurable to use and explore.

I don't think the admin (or lack of) can explain why they don't like the idea. Decent threads require much less oversight than some of the random free-for-all stuff seen. True growers tend to want to just learn rather than digressing into insults and the like. After all, its not the politics or religion section. lol.

I'm a little reticent when it comes to going on about this. I really don't want to be seen as a rocking the boat.
 

Shaggn

Well-Known Member
I'm a little reticent when it comes to going on about this. I really don't want to be seen as a rocking the boat.
You're not rocking the boat and everyone knows this. You along with others would like a more organized area for Hempys :) I think each form of growing should have their own section. I think if it's to troublesome to move threads then don't. Just add a sub-section and anyone who wishes to, can start a new thread. Having a sticky specifically for Hempy is a good idea with the basics. Everyone could add links to it of their own hempys n experiments/results, so it doesn't get cluttered with the chatter. Could do that with this thread and just tell them to sticky WoH!!

Also nothing would turn into a ghost town. I'm sure most people, myself included never just stick to one area. If I did that i'd still be growing in soil!! The best thing about the internet is how easy it is to learn new things, experiment and be able to share the results. Who knows, after hempy I may or may not try another method of growing. I'm sure there is someone out there working on a better more advanced way as we speak!! :)
 

CaliMackdaddy

Active Member
Say i run 5 2.5 gallon pots in my tent, what would be the best way to capture runoff? i thought about those pot saucers but is there somthing else thats deeper that would fit a 2.5 gallon paint bucket?
 

Shaggn

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Say i run 5 2.5 gallon pots in my tent, what would be the best way to capture runoff? i thought about those pot saucers but is there somthing else thats deeper that would fit a 2.5 gallon paint bucket?
There is a large selection of under the bed storage bins. Find one closest to your dimensions should work. I use a 50L under the bed storage bin for mine and they hold 24 2Ls snug..
 

jela10

Well-Known Member
Well, shit...I guess I'll never see a "Hempy Stud" section on RIU so I'll just have to hang out with you guys and proliferate more of my hempy bucket enthusiasm (LOL)....
Finally got a chance to shoot pics before the HPS came on. Still, can you believe these are little 2gal buckets under a little 400 watter?.....Check out the last cola splitting into 4 distinct heads at the tip...I've had the fox-tailing experience a lot with long flower periods but dang if it doesn't look like this one is going "quad" on top.
Day 43
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jela10

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Say i run 5 2.5 gallon pots in my tent, what would be the best way to capture runoff? i thought about those pot saucers but is there somthing else thats deeper that would fit a 2.5 gallon paint bucket?
I'm using some super cheap plastic oil pans ($2.59) from the auto store or Walmart...they are deep and not too much larger than the bucket. The plant's spread will keep you honest in your tent so I don't think you can crowd them. Another method would be to put your bucket into another bucket if you are crowed but you just can't see the runoff which is very, very important to me.
 

CaliMackdaddy

Active Member
Well, shit...I guess I'll never see a "Hempy Stud" section on RIU so I'll just have to hang out with you guys and proliferate more of my hempy bucket enthusiasm (LOL)....
Finally got a chance to shoot pics before the HPS came on. Still, can you believe these are little 2gal buckets under a little 400 watter?.....Check out the last cola splitting into 4 distinct heads at the tip...I've had the fox-tailing experience a lot with long flower periods but dang if it doesn't look like this one is going "quad" on top.
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Thats some amazing growth.. def sold on the 2.5 gallon pot idea, with the smaller pots how often do you need to do a feeding?
 

jela10

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Thats some amazing growth.. def sold on the 2.5 gallon pot idea, with the smaller pots how often do you need to do a feeding?
Every 3 days at this point..I've had strain's drink every 2 day's however during deep flower...but mostly during summer with heavy fan speeds and max leaf transpiration. It's nice when they are just out of veg....every 4 days sometimes 5 in winter.
 

sky rocket

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@ Praetorian. I wish I could sticky that. If y'all want more info on where I gathered my info just pm me and I'll let y'all know. I'm sure moebius knows where I got it from. Hint 420fied.

@ moebius those 10 day clones what strain is it and how's the side branching with the GDP? Would you recommend it in the 2l sog style grow? Also what was your ppm range with your GDP test grow?
 
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