Why would you buy regular?

King Arthur said:

When you don't want a male in the room they are really a waste of soil, nutrients, time, care etc. I agree, but when you do want a male it is useful to have regs. I feel that if people stop producing regs I will at least have a decent stock to choose from. I don't know how genetics work but if two lesbians made babies I would be skeptical of the outcome. Just my opinion though.

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Haha nice. But i don't think that breeders would stop producing regular seeds. This is where the real potential is and lots of breeders and growers are just interested in that. Producing feminized seeds is more an industry which only exists because growing weed is illegal in most countries. If it were legal and people don't have to hide their grows in a little cabinet fewer people would buy fems.

coppershot said:

imo most of the breeders that I respect and grow, only do regular seeds. some of them offer a couple of fems but the vast majority do not. Fems are great for those want to try a large number of strains with no regard for pheno hunting and trying to find a standout pheno.

Outside of that, I find most breeders that offer only feminized line tend to suck and the original genetics are questionable. there are only a handful, if that, of feminized lines that I consider to be good. I do believe that female lines tend to herm more often than regs, but most of this come down to environmental conditions. I can say that the herms that I have had were from fem seeds and the regs in the room were unaffected...

To each their own, I see the value for fems, especially for some one wanting to try a large variety of strains, with limited space, time, budget, etc...

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I appreciate your opinion and you a certainly right with what you say about questionable breeders, methods and genetics. But i think there are some good breeders who know what they are doing and quite a few feminized seeds which are very reliable. I don't think any half experienced grower would prefer feminized seeds but with limited space and time i would not hesitate to use them.

I totally agree. ime there are a few female breeders that I would grow. Unfortunately, the list is lopsided with the bad greatly outweighing the good. some breeders get it and some don't, or don't care.

Haha we should start a list of good fems then.

I am a fan of feminized Cataract Kush. They do the trick every time for me.

I have had good experiences with DNA, RP, Female Se-eds and even Dinafem has been good to me. I have heard great things about Loud Seeds and Elemental. For the bad, the list could go on and on, but ones that I would chuck in the garbage are GHS, BF, Cali Con, Top Tao, 00 Seeds, TH Seeds..... and on and on...

I think its my duty as a grower to keep the reg lines going. if WiFi comes back in stock I'm definitely getting me some fems.

The only companies that threw out nanners on me were TGA and CC.... I think.. I am pretty stoned right now but I am pretty sure the mass majority was from cc and one or two from tga.

I do fems and regs, but I'm moving more and more towards regs cuz of the fems sensitivities. Right now I got some ecsd haze from conn genetics which reeks of sour lemons goodness and 2 old school haze that look like very good yielders . The ecsd haze threw out balls n seeded everything in the tent. I am gonna give it another shot and tweek a few things to see if I nail it. The ecsd haze looks like it's gonna be some really good bud, and the old school haze is a beast of a yielder of good bud. After these pretty much I'm done with fems unless I see something I can't get in regs. Right now I got in veg is chocolate rain from Escobar first batch. What a beauty of funky dirty sour skunk. Conn genetics og chem which I have never seen a plant stack so many nodes so close to each other.

I have ran regs and fems over the years, and honestly would buy either depending on my plans for the strain. I will say that I believe most of the issues with fems come from how they were made. There are different ways of creating the fems and its my understanding that one method is extremely prone to causing hermie issues. At the moment I can't remember which is which and its dinner time.

I would just like to throw out the idea of Heterosis as being one plausible reason why regs could potentially hold advantages over fems (At least selfied fems) but the more I think about it it's really more of an argument in favor of F1's holding potential advantages over F4+, BX, S1/2/3/etc. In a way, it may explain why so many clone only elites are often random bagseed or f1 phenos, and it may explain why a lot of upstart "pollen chuckers" have a degree of initial success but then fall out of favor once they try to stabilize lines and the actual shortcomings of their breeding abilities show up.

(To save everyone the googling, here is the definition of Heterosis (aka Hybrid Vigour): "Heterosis refers to the phenomenon that progeny of diverse varieties of a species or crosses between species exhibit greater biomass, speed of development, and fertility than both parents."