Why vertical?

I did not come here to be a dick! I am not here to renounce your style of growing. In fact if you could in fact suggest and prove to me ways that I grow are antiquated I would switch. I'm a numbers guy and I see that nearly every forum on here has nearly half a million topics and or conversations. What are we ( people who SCROG, train, prune, SOG, hydro, mainline, hempy and in any other way) missing. I can't buy into the fact that it is a lack of room issue or the other reasons I have heard. Again I'm not trying to sound rude ignorant or condescending. But I really need this explained to me. I plan on having constructive conversations with anybody who replies. Thank you for your time.

NorthernHize said:

I did not come here to be a dick! I am not here to renounce your style of growing. In fact if you could in fact suggest and prove to me ways that I grow are antiquated I would switch. I'm a numbers guy and I see that nearly every forum on here has nearly half a million topics and or conversations. What are we ( people who SCROG, train, prune, SOG, hydro, mainline, hempy and in any other way) missing. I can't buy into the fact that it is a lack of room issue or the other reasons I have heard. Again I'm not trying to sound rude ignorant or condescending. But I really need this explained to me. I plan on having constructive conversations with anybody who replies. Thank you for your time.

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How do you grow now?

So I noticed the grow space you specified was larger than what I have available. Does vertical lend it's results better in a larger space. I can definitely see the increased surface area for growing in the stadium method, however all things being equal the plants at the bottom of the stadium could grow larger than the ones at the top. So in the circular method the lights would run down the center of the cage/net/screen? If so isn't there an increased probability of the plants/buds growing into one another or the lights themselves without much adjustability?

a senile fungus said:

How do you grow now?

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I currently scrog a lot and flat grow as well.

Vertical can work in smaller spaces as well.

What size space are you working with?

I grow in a lot of cabinets currently. For your description's purpose I have cab that is 3 ft sq x 7ft. I also have a portion of a room that is 4.5ftx6ftx7ft

NorthernHize said:

I did not come here to be a dick! I am not here to renounce your style of growing. In fact if you could in fact suggest and prove to me ways that I grow are antiquated I would switch. I'm a numbers guy and I see that nearly every forum on here has nearly half a million topics and or conversations. What are we ( people who SCROG, train, prune, SOG, hydro, mainline, hempy and in any other way) missing. I can't buy into the fact that it is a lack of room issue or the other reasons I have heard. Again I'm not trying to sound rude ignorant or condescending. But I really need this explained to me. I plan on having constructive conversations with anybody who replies. Thank you for your time.

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Some state laws dictate the number of plants, while some only dictate the square footage of a grow. If you can only have 20 square feet of grow space, but have 30 ft ceilings, you can get a whole lot more harvest from vertical growing.

NorthernHize said:

I grow in a lot of cabinets currently. For your description's purpose I have cab that is 3 ft sq x 7ft. I also have a portion of a room that is 4.5ftx6ftx7ft

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That's closer to what I'm growing in, 4x8x7 tent.

Vert is very doable with this size space.

One idea is to make do vertical scrogs in that larger space. You could go for a modular design, and have separate pvc supports for each plant. I'd say 6 or 7 plants in there. Each individual screen would be around 2.5-3ftx4ft and they'd be arranged around your light(s). For that size space I would personally arrange the plants in a fat ellipse and hang the lights a bit inward from the foci, or at around 1/3 and 2/3 of your longer axis' length.

Hth.

hydroMD said:

Some state laws dictate the number of plants, while some only dictate the square footage of a grow. If you can only have 20 square feet of grow space, but have 30 ft ceilings, you can get a whole lot more harvest from vertical growing.

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This.

If I'm restricted on plant numbers, then I could drop a couple of lights in a checker board pattern and grow trees and stay under my limit.

hydroMD said:

Some state laws dictate the number of plants, while some only dictate the square footage of a grow. If you can only have 20 square feet of grow space, but have 30 ft ceilings, you can get a whole lot more harvest from vertical growing.

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See that's what I'm getting at. The higher the ceiling, the more VERTICAL space you have thus vertical growing is the best idea.

Simply put, you can't beat the efficiency the ability to yield on par with or better than well-tuned horizontal SOG setups with far fewer plants if necessary. I would rather have 5, maybe 6 vertical 600w setups in the same space that some might build out with 4-5kw horizontally, and I feel I would yield at least on par with or better than them with considerably less work overall. That said, there are some definite downsides, mostly the fact that you have to wear fucking welding goggles to safely look at your plants

It all comes down to personal preference. All I can say with certainty is that I have never met a vert grower who went back to horizontal for very long, if ever...but I'm in a state where it is still illegal, so I don't have the exposure a lot of you guys do. To each his own, take the best from what you read on here and gather elsewhere and leave the rest behind. Take it easy.

a senile fungus said:

That's closer to what I'm growing in, 4x8x7 tent.

Vert is very doable with this size space.

One idea is to make do vertical scrogs in that larger space. You could go for a modular design, and have separate pvc supports for each plant. I'd say 6 or 7 plants in there. Each individual screen would be around 2.5-3ftx4ft and they'd be arranged around your light(s). For that size space I would personally arrange the plants in a fat ellipse and hang the lights a bit inward from the foci, or at around 1/3 and 2/3 of your longer axis' length.

Hth.

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So what your saying is to have vertical screens set up in my larger grow space. I could put like 6 vertical screens about 4x2 or the size you said, staggered along the length of the grow. Mostly because I'm a control freak I don't want a portion of my plant where I can't get to it, so that big circle is out. More to the point I can easily fit 6 plants scrogged in my larger space. With the vertical idea I would pick up about 4 more square feet. Interesting. Maybe I needs it explained differently than I heard it before. What do you use for a vertical screen? Something more rigid than the plastic fence or hang a frame. Hmm

I'm saying you could do this and drop a light or two right in the middle. Yours would be wider.

This is Marlo's pic from icmag

a senile fungus said:

I'm saying you could do this and drop a light or two right in the middle.

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Or that. I grow with led cobs so I could essentially place them anywhere I want just have them back to back or close there to. I am definitely gunna give this a try. So do the buds still try to grow vertical or towards the light source?

a senile fungus said:

I'm saying you could do this and drop a light or two right in the middle. Yours would be wider.

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That is Marlo's grow, and you can find several great threads by the gentleman on icmag and I'm sure other sites as well. Give credit where it's due please.

lawlrus said:

That is Marlo's grow, and you can find several great threads by the gentleman on icmag and I'm sure other sites as well. Give credit where it's due please.

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Thanks for the heads up. I've edited my post to that affect.

I hate to always go to another site for pics of vert setups but icmag has a great vert section and I've learned a ton over there.

lawlrus said:

That is Marlo's grow, and you can find several great threads by the gentleman on icmag and I'm sure other sites as well. Give credit where it's due please.

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He did give credit it's right above the pic, unless he just added it.

NorthernHize said:

He did give credit it's right above the pic, unless he just added it.

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a senile fungus said:

Thanks for the heads up. I've edited my post to that affect.

I hate to always go to another site for pics of vert setups but icmag has a great vert section and I've learned a ton over there.

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thanks for taking care of it like a gentleman, fungus

lawlrus said:

thanks for taking care of it like a gentleman, fungus

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My tent is based off of Marlo's wall. He's awesome.

And thank you for the reminder to give credit. I have been lax lately about that, thanks again.