raiderman
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thanx, yea thats how i got these 25 pw seeds and 15 querkle seeds from breeding small branches.
Why use seed banks .BREED your own..
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purplebud27
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I was gonna breed this grow but I ended up with all females umm bitter sweet I guess
smitdog
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Sorry to here about your order raider that sux .. hopefully it will show up ...i plan to breed the purple wreck i have a order coming "hopefully it gets here" .i am tired of buying seeds allso .. after i get a seed stock going i allso plan to over flower a female and hopefully get a few male flowers to pop so i can make some female seeds allso 
breeding your own will save alot of money in the long run .. peace
breeding your own will save alot of money in the long run .. peacerippin8005srh
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Can someone give me some info on breeding?
raiderman
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heres the best way to sex yure plants.we'll say i buy 2 pax of reg seeds and i want to breed.wen the seedlings come up i place them in 5 inch containers all 20 . wen thier 4 to 6 inches tall i switch over to 12/12 to show sex. in 10 to 14 days sex is evident.i place my females in full size containers to get big buds, and i keep the choice male, in another room keep the male going ........on advance marijuana growing,scroll to the top ,there a breeding tutorial that will help everyone out,pics, easy to learn, thats how i learned and have some seeds on hand.thanx.
stinkypinky1
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Thanks Raiderman i was thinkin of this also cause i dont like waitin on beans and either i dont have cash to spare and cant afford to lose any i think on my next go round im gonna try this to see wat happen cause im waitin for beans also and im gettin grey hairs waitin on this package
I wonder if being around the 9/11 date has caused any packages routed through NY to be scrutinized a bit harder? Possibly causing the extended delay on seed shipments shipped internationally? When I ordered from Attitude and Highgrade Seeds a month or two ago, Attitude order was here in 8-9 days (credit card order) and the Highgrade order came in about 3-4 weeks (sent cash for that one).
LifeGiver
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I agree that sending orders through the mail is a nervewracking practice, but after ordering seeds on 4 seperate occasions and recieving each one in a relatively timely fashion, I feel that there isn't much to worry about (as long as you use a legitimate name and address for delivery, I have had packages returned to sender for not having my name on the mailbox).
Breeder genetics are nearly always superior to any attempts to create your own seed. This is not to say that your F1 seeds will not be of high quality, but breeders work the numbers game and when it comes to finding just the right combinations of traits for a mother and a father plant, vast numbers of plants allow you to find a plant that has everything that you are looking for. Breeders usually will do test crosses as well, to find the most consistantly high quality parents, basing each parent's desirability on the consistancy and quality of test crosses that are grown out. All in all, the task of finding a suitable mother plant AND a suitable father plant surpasses the resources and accomodations that most personal growers have. You would be better off spending the space and time growing out breeders seeds to find an exceptional mother plant to clone.
The solution to this dillemma would be to find a strain that is true breeding for all of the traits that you may be interested in. That way, you could produce unlimited seeds that would all grow the same. Finding true breeding varieties is not an easy thing, since it takes a very very long time to stabilize a hybrid (around 6-8 generations?). True breeding varieties also don't generally have the hybrid vigor displayed by the crosses being offered by breeders. If you can find a true breeding variety, or a stabilized hybrid, you will have much more consistant results. As a general rule, the longer a strain has been around and the more widely grown, the more consistant and stable it should be. For example: Dutch passion has been breeding their Passion line since the eighties, giving plenty of time for updating and furthur selection along the way to stabilize the desireable traits.
An added advantage to working with a stable strain is that you will become much more familiar with the different preferences of the strain, and will be able to progressively bring out more and more desirable characteristics through selective breeding.
I have heard that Reeferman seeds is planning on releasing their breeding tools!!! I have found Hemp Depot offering Reeferman (Pure) strains, among them the Burmese, Nepal, and Blackseed. These would be some of the best lines to maintain as an Inbred line, since they have been highly selected by a professional breeder for years.
I do recommend that anyone interested in breeding their own seeds or in stabilizing a variety that they read as much as they can on the breeder's forum. There is some very valuable information nestled in there.
Another money saving way to go about acquiring good genetics is to plant bagseed and select for a good mother plant. One of my favorie mothers sprouted from bagseed. However, bagseed tends to carry higher occurences of hermaphroditism, so in my opinion, that fact alone makes it unappealing enough to stick with known genetics. There isn't much that is more frustrating than discovering that a plant you spent months loving turned out to be hermi and pollinated your entire crop.
Enough typing for now... but I could go on
Breeder genetics are nearly always superior to any attempts to create your own seed. This is not to say that your F1 seeds will not be of high quality, but breeders work the numbers game and when it comes to finding just the right combinations of traits for a mother and a father plant, vast numbers of plants allow you to find a plant that has everything that you are looking for. Breeders usually will do test crosses as well, to find the most consistantly high quality parents, basing each parent's desirability on the consistancy and quality of test crosses that are grown out. All in all, the task of finding a suitable mother plant AND a suitable father plant surpasses the resources and accomodations that most personal growers have. You would be better off spending the space and time growing out breeders seeds to find an exceptional mother plant to clone.
The solution to this dillemma would be to find a strain that is true breeding for all of the traits that you may be interested in. That way, you could produce unlimited seeds that would all grow the same. Finding true breeding varieties is not an easy thing, since it takes a very very long time to stabilize a hybrid (around 6-8 generations?). True breeding varieties also don't generally have the hybrid vigor displayed by the crosses being offered by breeders. If you can find a true breeding variety, or a stabilized hybrid, you will have much more consistant results. As a general rule, the longer a strain has been around and the more widely grown, the more consistant and stable it should be. For example: Dutch passion has been breeding their Passion line since the eighties, giving plenty of time for updating and furthur selection along the way to stabilize the desireable traits.
An added advantage to working with a stable strain is that you will become much more familiar with the different preferences of the strain, and will be able to progressively bring out more and more desirable characteristics through selective breeding.
I have heard that Reeferman seeds is planning on releasing their breeding tools!!! I have found Hemp Depot offering Reeferman (Pure) strains, among them the Burmese, Nepal, and Blackseed. These would be some of the best lines to maintain as an Inbred line, since they have been highly selected by a professional breeder for years.
I do recommend that anyone interested in breeding their own seeds or in stabilizing a variety that they read as much as they can on the breeder's forum. There is some very valuable information nestled in there.
Another money saving way to go about acquiring good genetics is to plant bagseed and select for a good mother plant. One of my favorie mothers sprouted from bagseed. However, bagseed tends to carry higher occurences of hermaphroditism, so in my opinion, that fact alone makes it unappealing enough to stick with known genetics. There isn't much that is more frustrating than discovering that a plant you spent months loving turned out to be hermi and pollinated your entire crop.
Enough typing for now... but I could go on
robert 14617
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stinkypinky1
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nice one robert
trapper
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i agree with raiderman,breed your own,i would like to see a section devoted to peoples own crosses.ive only been pollen chucking for a few years,but i have an uncle who did it 40 years ago in tefino,but their is nothing like hybrid vigor from your new seeds,then the clone is 1/2 the size lol.but i have found that you need to clone it twice to see what you really have.but you will find you have so many keepers that it becomes so hard to throw away anything,then you have more mothers then plants in flower lol.but i was fortunate to have a poison tent help me clean out my mothers,it killed them all.but the best male was my strawberry flavord chemo from jordan of the islands.i have found in the f3,s a bunch of 6 week and ready strawberry tasting plants coved in resin,just not huge colas.but its all fun,the trick is to to keep throwing away plants because you will find many more.imagine how many genetic variations you will find in some breeders work,they have grown out thousands of plants,and in their f3,s you will find a rainbow of great bud.but i will still pay for the top breeders stuff,the guys that stableised great genetics,because they have the treasures in their criosses.
HHF
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What you really do not need, or want is any old male though. To avoid not selecting the best male, and if it is your first time breeding, or not skilled in male selections, use ALL your males from your 10 pack of seeds.
This will mean that you used the best one you had, every time. Then when you look in the F2's you will see more, as you will have more seeds of course. I know it sounds simple to just get a male, but it isnt.
Selection of male cannabis plants is only rarely understood and taught even less. We can all see and evaluate female cannabis plants very easily. Males are not so easy at all.
We have written quite a bit on this subject but did not want to crash your thread with lengthy articles, but you can read more here if you wish - advancements in the field of Drug Cannabis male selections.
Peace, HHF
trapper
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you know how i found my strawberry flavord male,i was keeping 4 males for breeding all differant strains,i then decided i didnt have room to mess around and wanted to make sure i had more smoke,and would get males the following year,so i threw the males outside all broken and stomped on with no water or light,but this one sucker was a live 3 weeks later in the damp cold garage with a small dusty window 10 yards away,i said man you gotta make me some seeds.and thus was born my strawberry delight.but it is probably better in my mind then reality lol.but my buddies love it too,but then who speaks ill about free weed lol.
HHF
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lol, yeh free weed rocks.
This was a cool thing, in a way you used a selective pressure to select a breeding male. Many don't, just choosing one that looks nice. Through high stress, he had a strong will and ability to survive. Useful traits in the line. The more selective pressures you put on your plants being grown for breeding the better.
Hobby breeding is wonderful bringing you much closer to the plant, understanding her more. Enjoy.
Peace! HHF
dababydroman
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i knew id find a thread to post this question in.
alright i pollinated my female with some pollen from a friend. will it with out a doubt produce some seeds?
alright i pollinated my female with some pollen from a friend. will it with out a doubt produce some seeds?
HHF
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dababydroman
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well the thing is i kno the pollen is a few mounths old
HHF
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hmm, well if it has been stored correctly, frozen or cold stored without moisture, if could be fine. We have used 2 year old pollen from the freezers and made seed.
If left at ambient temps and open, it most likely is not, but also could be as this plant is very resilient. You will see soon!
Peace! HHF