Why not pollinate your first grow to get more seeds?

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Destillat

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I never said cut em off man. I said alternating nodes does not equal less nodes. And even tho I admit a clone is not necessarily a higher yielder, it IS more potent and it DOES develop faster. Can you just keep in mind that a clone is an exact genetic replica of the original plant. The same amount of leaves and stems to the exact same root ball size. The difference is you're cutting out a month of veg time.

As for the original poster I'd still go with clones man. You don't need mothers but you would still need a veg and flower space. If space is limited but veg below the flower space and put black plastic between them.

The benefits for you would still be potency, dialing in of the plant (you know from previous grows exactly when and what it needs with no surprises), guaranteed female, and a better than average plant assuming you pick the best of a bunch. You can take a clone of a clone forever theoretically. Some people on this board have the same plant going 20 years later.
 
zvuv

zvuv

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My understanding is that if you make seeds from your plants they will not breed true. You are starting with an F1 and recessive traits will appear among their offspring.


[QUOTE... Being a total newbie and never having grown before (as I imagine many readers of this thread are), I think cloning might be a little out of scope for a first time grow. That, and I'd only be growing for myself so a small grow once or twice a year is all I would probably need. I won't have the setup or the need to keep a mother constantly....
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Cloning is very easy. Much easier and more reliable than germinating seeds. It's well worth trying even on your first grow. You will probably prune off some branches anyway, so why not stick them in soil?

You don't have to keep a clone mother. I often just take a cuttings from a plant before she goes to flower. But keeping a few small mother plants in 3" pots under a small fluorescent light is really not a big deal.
 
del66666

del66666

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zvuv said:
My understanding is that if you make seeds from your plants they will not breed true. You are starting with an F1 and recessive traits will appear among their offspring.

i reckon my new breed from crossing thc bomb and bubblegum came out better than the originals
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Rj41

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With all due respect to people, unless one is a professional breeder all this F1 blah blah talk is meaningless. Sure there will be a few that will cling onto it and think it's important to their 1 ten inch plant PC case grow, but I see it as just adding more confusion to those already confused.

Before the a-holes jump in with more insults, no I'm not the confused one.
I've never claimed to be some expert. I'm just a person that employs a keep-it-simple, common sense approach, that's been doing this very successfully for a very long time.

As my final post on this thread I'll leave you with this thought about clones: Take two cuttings from the same mother plant. Grow one under CFL's, grow the other under HID's.
Will the end results be identical as so many believe?
PHUCK NO.

Have a good day everybody!
 
zvuv

zvuv

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Rj41 said:
With all due respect to people, unless one is a professional breeder all this F1 blah blah talk is meaningless
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I think if you are going to make seeds from your plants it does matter. Quite a bit. You can expect a significant percentage of their offspring to be quite unlike the strain you bought. You might like what you get, you might not, but the point is that you can't perpetuate the strain just by making seeds.

If you grow 100 plants at a time, you can pick out the phenos you like and discard the rest, but if, like me you are growing six plants in a closet with only one or two of each strain, you want to know what you are going to get when you plant a seed.

Here's how it is usually explained: There is a little bit of math but not much.

Suppose in your strain, leaf width is controlled by a 'w' gene. There is a dominant W gene which produces wide leaves and a recessive 'w' gene that produces narrow leaves. Plants from this strain have a pair of these genes, so they have one of three combinations:

WW Ww or ww.

Because W is dominant, only the ww's will show narrow leaves.

The breeder has a pair of parent plants from which he makes the seeds he sells you. They are typically WW and Ww. When he breeds these plants he produces an F1 generation which is a mix of WW and Ww. There can be no ww's with narrow leaves in this generation because one parent is WW (heterozygous). So the seeds you buy will be a mix of WW and Ww which all have wide leaves.

If you now make your own seeds by breeding the F1 generation you just grew, you will have Ww's mating with other Ww's and about 25% of their offspring will be ww's which produce small leaves. You are no longer breeding true.

The characteristics of a strain depend not just on one allele but on a cluster. So while you may have some WW's and Ww's that show wide leaves, those same plants may be expressing recessive genes for another allele, say 'P' a potency gene. So your plant has the wide leaves you want but its also a pp (not a Pp or PP) and has low potency.

In a population of ten plants, its quite likely that none of them will have the complete suite of genes that make up the phenotype that determines the strain.
 
moash

moash

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Take two cuttings from the same mother plant. Grow one under CFL's, grow the other under HID's.
Will the end results be identical as so many believe?
PHUCK NO.
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What was that a response to?
 
zvuv

zvuv

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del66666 said:
zvuv said:
My understanding is that if you make seeds from your plants they will not breed true. You are starting with an F1 and recessive traits will appear among their offspring.

i reckon my new breed from crossing thc bomb and bubblegum came out better than the originals
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Yes, you might get something very good and strain crosses are often great. The point I was making is that you can't perpetuate the original strain just by breeding the plants your grew from the seeds you bought.
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mikerob

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mrboots said:
If you only pollenate one or two lower branches you can get tons of seeds and barely affect your yield. Making seeds off of your first grow is crucial if you are growing out autoflowers, since they can't be cloned. I am amazed that people even buy feminized autoflowers.
I think it's a good idea to keep a good collection of seeds. You never know when the sources we are used to relying on for seeds could get shut down.
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you cant clone auto flowers????
 
matthebrute

matthebrute

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lol way to leave the thread with a completly irrelivant statement that has absolutly nothing to do with the topic being discussed in this thread.

Rj41 said:
As my final post on this thread I'll leave you with this thought about clones: Take two cuttings from the same mother plant. Grow one under CFL's, grow the other under HID's.
Will the end results be identical as so many believe?
PHUCK NO.

Have a good day everybody!
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lol way to leave the thread with a completly irrelivant statement that has absolutly nothing to do with the topic being discussed in this thread.
moash said:
What was that a response to?
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lol right
 
matthebrute

matthebrute

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oh and BTW i give advice on here and have only grown once and it was some outdoor bagseed i tossed in some buckets and really didnt pay much attention to them and ended up just fine.

i do implement alot that i have read on here in my advice and i also implement ALOT of common fucking sense which is one thing people seem to lack.

like the all infomous "HELP!!!! what happened to my plant? i fed them 10x the recomended dosage of fertilizer because i r dumb. this is really srumping me i cant figure out what i did wrong PLEASE HELP!!!!!"

so i tell that guy that his plants are malnurished and he should up the dosage of his nutes, just because. yes its mean but really if your that fucking dumb stick to shoveling something for a living and stay away from trying to grow a living plant.

anyways. as far as this thread goes. each person has a different style of growing and that means they have different methods of getting thier plants wether it be from seeds every time or from clones, its all about how YOU grow. so to sit here and tell people they are wrong because they dont implement the same techniques as you do just makes you....well ignorant. (not directing this to anyone in particular but if you take offense then i am probally directing towards you :) )

happy growing all, i think im going to germ some seeds and see if i can get a deskplant to give me some buds cuz i almost out of my summer crop

oh and my grow will consist of 1 or 2 CFL lights no closet, no reflctive material (as it will sit on my desk so i can enjoy it) no fancy setup at all and watch i will get a Oz off it. you know why? because its not hard to grow, yes there are problems that come along some greater than other but with a couple decent lights. decent soil and good Ole H2O a plant will grow regardless of how fancy the setup is. i may not get a super crop but well i dont really care lol (i would like to have the ideal setup someday tho but not having it wont stop me from growing) and i know this has nothing to do with this thread except the fact that i will be using seeds, from a bag of junk weed. wich brings me to my next topic, even a seed from the brownest of dirt weed can give you a good crop of nice tasty smoke. the bud in the bag you got the seed from was not taken care of properly somewhere down the line and thats why it was junk, not because the genetics were bad but the human handeling was poor.

ok im done sorry for rambling im baked
happy growing (again) lol :leaf::joint::peace:
 
cannofbliss

cannofbliss

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well i guess to jump in a bit late on the previous 7 pages of arguing LOL ;)

but seriously you all are splitting hairs when it comes to bud production size weight quantity yield etc...

the 3 main factors for yield is this>>>>>>>>>> 1.) GENETICS>>>>>>> 2.) FERTILISATION or method of it...>>>>>>>>> 3.) ROOT SYSTEM (if you have a great root system that is strong healthy and has a vast and web like growth then you will have a root system that gives you the greatest chance and gives you the best way to get nutrients out of the soil into the plant...

there i had to say it lol ;)

and to answer the poor OP who i think didnt really get much of a strait answer... you can pollinate your first grow and that is fine if you want to cross your genetic line (providing that you have good enough and compatible enough genetics to produce a quality F1 hybrid...)

you even btw can even clone that seeded female if you want also( however her hormones will still be in flux if she is pregnant from pollination and will have to sit in veg longer to get her potency and veg growth back into normal...

so it is commonly said with experience that you seed to breed, but it is much easier to clone an acre for more paper ;) lol
 
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twoplustwo

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cannofbliss said:
and to answer the poor OP who i think didnt really get much of a strait answer... you can pollinate your first grow and that is fine if you want to cross your genetic line (providing that you have good enough and compatible enough genetics to produce a quality F1 hybrid...)

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I'm not sure what this means, can you elaborate? I'm not sure what an F1 hybrid is. I take this to mean it isn't just as simple as ordering seeds and making more??
 
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