Why Is The Bible So Revered As The "Word of GOD"?

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HighLowGrow

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Herein lies the problem. Never. . . never accept someone else’s translation of the Scripture without reading the entire bible yourself. Otherwise, you'll be a fool for life. 8-)
Brother - You are 100% correct. Forget everything I have said. I just find a little humor in it all. I'm talking your translation against others or vise versa. Everybody and nobody is correct. All the comments are interesting to say the least.

-HLG
 

KlosetKing

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For example, (732 B.C.E.) Babylon the Great, demise was foreseen 200 hundred years in advance - in detail, including who would conquer her, with dates. You can't touch that.
Nostradamus made over a thousand(s?) predictions. Depending on interpretation you could say that he got anywhere between 0 and ALL of them right. I am not very familiar with the bible, could you please reference the material that DETAILS who was going to conquer who, when, and with dates? Nothing i have ever read in the bible has ever been so specific (well, when not counting the 'stories' like the ark and the garden of eden).

Either way, by your logic, Nostradamus made a successful prediction, so his word is sound. We shouldn't ever question anything else we ever read by him now.
 

HighLowGrow

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Oh yeah!. . . Can you do it in 200 years? Get real! :mrgreen:
No problem. There will be a terrorist attack within the next 200 years. I can increase my odds also. There will be a terrorist attack within the next 500 years.

Are the dots connecting now.:wall:


Let me guess. You saw the devil in the WTC smoke too!
 

crackerboy

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This was taken from www.reasons.org
by Dr. Hugh Ross
Unique among all books ever written, the Bible accurately foretells specific events-in detail-many years, sometimes centuries, before they occur. Approximately 2500 prophecies appear in the pages of the Bible, about 2000 of which already have been fulfilled to the letter—no errors. (The remaining 500 or so reach into the future and may be seen unfolding as days go by.) Since the probability for any one of these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance averages less than one in ten (figured very conservatively) and since the prophecies are for the most part independent of one another, the odds for all these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance without error is less than one in 102000 (that is 1 with 2000 zeros written after it)!
God is not the only one, however, who uses forecasts of future events to get people's attention. Satan does, too. Through clairvoyants (such as Jeanne Dixon and Edgar Cayce), mediums, spiritists, and others, come remarkable predictions, though rarely with more than about 60 percent accuracy, never with total accuracy. Messages from Satan, furthermore, fail to match the detail of Bible prophecies, nor do they include a call to repentance.
The acid test for identifying a prophet of God is recorded by Moses in Deuteronomy 18:21-22. According to this Bible passage (and others), God's prophets, as distinct from Satan's spokesmen, are 100 percent accurate in their predictions. There is no room for error.
As economy does not permit an explanation of all the Biblical prophecies that have been fulfilled, what follows in a discussion of a few that exemplify the high degree of specificity, the range of projection, and/or the "supernature" of the predicted events. Readers are encouraged to select others, as well, and to carefully examine their historicity.
(1) Some time before 500 B.C. the prophet Daniel proclaimed that Israel's long-awaited Messiah would begin his public ministry 483 years after the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25-26). He further predicted that the Messiah would be "cut off," killed, and that this event would take place prior to a second destruction of Jerusalem. Abundant documentation shows that these prophecies were perfectly fulfilled in the life (and crucifixion) of Jesus Christ. The decree regarding the restoration of Jerusalem was issued by Persia's King Artaxerxes to the Hebrew priest Ezra in 458 B.C., 483 years later the ministry of Jesus Christ began in Galilee. (Remember that due to calendar changes, the date for the start of Christ's ministry is set by most historians at about 26 A.D. Also note that from 1 B.C. to 1 A.D. is just one year.) Jesus' crucifixion occurred only a few years later, and about four decades later, in 70 A.D. came the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 105.)*
(2) In approximately 700 B.C. the prophet Micah named the tiny village of Bethlehem as the birthplace of Israel's Messiah (Micah 5:2). The fulfillment of this prophecy in the birth of Christ is one of the most widely known and widely celebrated facts in history.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 105.)
(3) In the fifth century B.C. a prophet named Zechariah declared that the Messiah would be betrayed for the price of a slave—thirty pieces of silver, according to Jewish law-and also that this money would be used to buy a burial ground for Jerusalem's poor foreigners (Zechariah 11:12-13). Bible writers and secular historians both record thirty pieces of silver as the sum paid to Judas Iscariot for betraying Jesus, and they indicate that the money went to purchase a "potter's field," used—just as predicted—for the burial of poor aliens (Matthew 27:3-10).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1011.)
(4) Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution. Further, they said that the body would be pierced and that none of the bones would be broken, contrary to customary procedure in cases of crucifixion (Psalm 22 and 34:20; Zechariah 12:10). Again, historians and New Testament writers confirm the fulfillment: Jesus of Nazareth died on a Roman cross, and his extraordinarily quick death eliminated the need for the usual breaking of bones. A spear was thrust into his side to verify that he was, indeed, dead.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1013.)
(5) The prophet Isaiah foretold that a conqueror named Cyrus would destroy seemingly impregnable Babylon and subdue Egypt along with most of the rest of the known world. This same man, said Isaiah, would decide to let the Jewish exiles in his territory go free without any payment of ransom (Isaiah 44:28; 45:1; and 45:13). Isaiah made this prophecy 150 years before Cyrus was born, 180 years before Cyrus performed any of these feats (and he did, eventually, perform them all), and 80 years before the Jews were taken into exile.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1015.)
(6) Mighty Babylon, 196 miles square, was enclosed not only by a moat, but also by a double wall 330 feet high, each part 90 feet thick. It was said by unanimous popular opinion to be indestructible, yet two Bible prophets declared its doom. These prophets further claimed that the ruins would be avoided by travelers, that the city would never again be inhabited, and that its stones would not even be moved for use as building material (Isaiah 13:17-22 and Jeremiah 51:26, 43). Their description is, in fact, the well-documented history of the famous citadel.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 109.)
(7) The exact location and construction sequence of Jerusalem's nine suburbs was predicted by Jeremiah about 2600 years ago. He referred to the time of this building project as "the last days," that is, the time period of Israel's second rebirth as a nation in the land of Palestine (Jeremiah 31:38-40). This rebirth became history in 1948, and the construction of the nine suburbs has gone forward precisely in the locations and in the sequence predicted.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1018.)
(8) The prophet Moses foretold (with some additions by Jeremiah and Jesus) that the ancient Jewish nation would be conquered twice and that the people would be carried off as slaves each time, first by the Babylonians (for a period of 70 years), and then by a fourth world kingdom (which we know as Rome). The second conqueror, Moses said, would take the Jews captive to Egypt in ships, selling them or giving them away as slaves to all parts of the world. Both of these predictions were fulfilled to the letter, the first in 607 B.C. and the second in 70 A.D. God's spokesmen said, further, that the Jews would remain scattered throughout the entire world for many generations, but without becoming assimilated by the peoples or of other nations, and that the Jews would one day return to the land of Palestine to re-establish for a second time their nation (Deuteronomy 29; Isaiah 11:11-13; Jeremiah 25:11; Hosea 3:4-5 and Luke 21:23-24).
This prophetic statement sweeps across 3500 years of history to its complete fulfillment—in our lifetime.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 120.)
(9) Jeremiah predicted that despite its fertility and despite the accessibility of its water supply, the land of Edom (today a part of Jordan) would become a barren, uninhabited wasteland (Jeremiah 49:15-20; Ezekiel 25:12-14). His description accurately tells the history of that now bleak region.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 105.)
(10) Joshua prophesied that Jericho would be rebuilt by one man. He also said that the man's eldest son would die when the reconstruction began and that his youngest son would die when the work reached completion (Joshua 6:26). About five centuries later this prophecy found its fulfillment in the life and family of a man named Hiel (1 Kings 16:33-34).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 107).
(11) The day of Elijah's supernatural departure from Earth was predicted unanimously—and accurately, according to the eye-witness account—by a group of fifty prophets (2 Kings 2:3-11).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 109).
(12) Jahaziel prophesied that King Jehoshaphat and a tiny band of men would defeat an enormous, well-equipped, well-trained army without even having to fight. Just as predicted, the King and his troops stood looking on as their foes were supernaturally destroyed to the last man (2 Chronicles 20).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 108).
(13) One prophet of God (unnamed, but probably Shemiah) said that a future king of Judah, named Josiah, would take the bones of all the occultic priests (priests of the "high places") of Israel's King Jeroboam and burn them on Jeroboam's altar (1 Kings 13:2 and 2 Kings 23:15-18). This event occurred approximately 300 years after it was foretold.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1013).
Since these thirteen prophecies cover mostly separate and independent events, the probability of chance occurrence for all thirteen is about 1 in 10138 (138 equals the sum of all the exponents of 10 in the probability estimates above). For the sake of putting the figure into perspective, this probability can be compared to the statistical chance that the second law of thermodynamics will be reversed in a given situation (for example, that a gasoline engine will refrigerate itself during its combustion cycle or that heat will flow from a cold body to a hot body)—that chance = 1 in 1080. Stating it simply, based on these thirteen prophecies alone, the Bible record may be said to be vastly more reliable than the second law of thermodynamics. Each reader should feel free to make his own reasonable estimates of probability for the chance fulfillment of the prophecies cited here. In any case, the probabilities deduced still will be absurdly remote.
Given that the Bible proves so reliable a document, there is every reason to expect that the remaining 500 prophecies, those slated for the "time of the end," also will be fulfilled to the last letter. Who can afford to ignore these coming events, much less miss out on the immeasurable blessings offered to anyone and everyone who submits to the control of the Bible's author, Jesus Christ? Would a reasonable person take lightly God's warning of judgment for those who reject what they know to be true about Jesus Christ and the Bible, or who reject Jesus' claim on their lives?
*The estimates of probability included herein come from a group of secular research scientists. As an example of their method of estimation, consider their calculations for this first prophecy cited:

  • Since the Messiah's ministry could conceivably begin in any one of about 5000 years, there is, then, one chance in about 5000 that his ministry could begin in 26 A.D.
  • Since the Messiah is God in human form, the possibility of his being killed is considerably low, say less than one chance in 10.
  • Relative to the second destruction of Jerusalem, this execution has roughly an even chance of occurring before or after that event, that is, one chance in 2.
Hence, the probability of chance fulfillment for this prophecy is 1 in 5000 x 10 x 2, which is 1 in 100,000, or 1 in 105.
 

ChubbySoap

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a scholar AND a mathematician who specializes in statistical probabilities.
what are the odds...such a rare combination...

I'm sold.
Even willing to overlook the messiah's ridiculously small margin of getting killed not helping him any when he got nailed to a couple of chunks of wood and roasted in the sun for just saying how great it would be if we were all simply nicer to each other.
 

mindphuk

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You sir should pay attention to the point. Okay, Job 27:4 mentions the earth is hanging upon nothing and Isaiah 40:22 says, " . . .above the circle of the earth." Some translations use the word sphere

Are you able to connect the dots?
.:wall:
You are the one that needs to pay attention. First of all, you never mentioned Isaiah at all, you said specifically it was Job and you said that you have to pay attention to the context. There's no context when you're giving the wrong fucking scripture!

As for 'chug' being translated as sphere, really? Show me one, just one place, in Job or anywhere else, that the Hebrew 'chug' get's translated into sphere. Ask an Israeli if 'chug' ever means sphere, k?

In fact, 'chug' is the root word for the verb that means to draw a circle.

At some point you will just have admit that you might have been mistaken. That's okay, there's no shame. People are taught incorrect things all of the time but when you learn the truth, you should stop using Job 26 as some sort of proof text.
 

mindphuk

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For example, (732 B.C.E.) Babylon the Great, demise was foreseen 200 hundred years in advance - in detail, including who would conquer her, with dates. You can't touch that.
What exactly was foretold 200 years in advanced? Do you know when the Hebrew bible was written? Do you know the dates of the Babylonian exile?
 

mindphuk

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It is revered as God's Word only by those that believe it. Others ridicule and burn it. For me, I say if we would all just follow the 10 Commandments, we wouldn't need all the other laws we have today.
That would be a really terrible idea

[video=youtube;WnEcQ_OVsVk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnEcQ_OVsVk[/video]
 

djruiner

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^^^ Because long before Christopher Columbus and his mother was born, the book of Job said: "The earth is round and it hangs upon nothing." Job 26:7

Now you think about the implications of this statement for a moment. Advise like this is throughout the scriptures. Do you see the light? :bigjoint:
What you have to do is use your intellect. For example, the Dead Sea scrolls were found in the 1940's, which chronicles many books of the bible. Some of these books date back to 300 B.C. That's damn now near the beginning of recorded human history and yet there were to discrepancies when compared with today’s Scriptures. Do you understand the implications of this? :bigjoint:
why is it when the topic of the bible comes up the first thing people do is start posting scripture and passages from the bible...when he is asking why they see the bible as the word of god..he isnt asking for you to quote the bible and expect people to go.."ok i guess ill follow after reading your facts"...the bible says this...this passage says this...well guess what..there are HUNDREDS of other books of different types of religions...why is your "faith" any different,better,or true.why cant people see the bible as it really is...a tool used to control primitive people.and how can you control a primitive undereducated mass of people....fear...tell them to do this or do that or all this bad shit will happen.
and why is it that all this stuff that happened in biblical times dont happen anymore...no one speaks to god anymore,no burning bushes,no one is walking on water,no seas are being parted...none of all this magical shit the bible spoke of...why is these things not happening...well first off it seems that when those things happened before..no one was around to hear or see it...case in point...moses...why is it just so happens that no one else is around when god does all this talking and passing of information...so everything that is supposed the "word of god" is things told to single individuals that then tell these things to other people. sounds a little to shady for me to just blindly follow.
now you can go ahead and quote the bible...say you just got to have faith all you want....but until god pops outta the clouds..tells me to get my shit together...im going to sleep in on sundays..not get all dressed up..and keep the 10% for my family and not fund the preachers dream of driving a nicer vehicle.

ps...if you look around...things are fucked up..look at the middle east...look at japan...thousands of people..men,women,children are killed and suffering at the hands of man and nature. if this is the best this "supreme being" can offer the species he supposedly loves...then he is truely either not doing his job...or plain just dont give a shit.he used to have no problem interfering with human life in biblical times...but he sure is an absentee parent at this current time in the world.

now let the bible thumbers pick a sentence or two out of all that to rip apart and not even get into the whole statement...tell me i just need "faith"...quote the bible...do your thing and let the superstitious babble run its course.so let that feeling inside that god is watching you lead you...while i get that same feeling from eating to much chocolate...im just able to see and acknowledge the reason im having that same feeling isnt from the invisible man that no one hears from anymore.
 

BrotherBuz

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I am not very familiar with the bible, could you please reference the material that DETAILS who was going to conquer who, when, and with dates? Nothing i have ever read in the bible has ever been so specific (well, when not counting the 'stories' like the ark and the garden of eden).
About 732 B.C.E., the prophet Isaiah said "Babylon would fall." Isaiah provided specifics: A leader named “Cyrus” would be the conqueror, the protective waters of the Euphrates would “dry up,” and the city’s gates would “not be shut.” Isaiah 44:27

Isaiah made a further startling prediction regarding Babylon: “She will never be inhabited.”
Isaiah 13:19, 20

*I found this info*
 

mindphuk

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About 732 B.C.E., the prophet Isaiah said "Babylon would fall." Isaiah provided specifics: A leader named “Cyrus” would be the conqueror, the protective waters of the Euphrates would “dry up,” and the city’s gates would “not be shut.” Isaiah 44:27

Isaiah made a further startling prediction regarding Babylon: “She will never be inhabited.”
Isaiah 13:19, 20

*I found this info*
Where's your evidence that Isaiah even wrote those verses and that they were not redactions that someone added after-the-fact to make it appear Isaiah had remarkable prophetic abilities?

The Hebrew prophets constantly spewed out invectives and tirades against the nations around Israel. Ezekiel predicted that the stronghold of Tyre would be destroyed and never built again and that Egypt would be laid waste for 40 years and "no foot of man or beast" would pass through it. These prophecies never came to pass just as Jeremiah's and Ezekiel's prophecies against Edom never happened. Without access to Isaiah's actual writings, we can never know exactly what he wrote about Babylon. The only evidence that you have is the bible itself. The bible is correct because the bible is correct.
 

BrotherBuz

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"...such a rare combination..."
Yeah . . . and even "rarer" when God instructed the Israelites in 1500 B.C.E., about quarantining of the sick, treatment of dead bodies, and disposal of waste, long before Louis Pasteur discovered germs- while the Europeans were throwing their trash out the window causing the plague.
bongsmilie
 

mindphuk

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Yeah . . . and even "rarer" when God instructed the Israelites in 1500 B.C.E., about quarantining of the sick, treatment of dead bodies, and disposal of waste, long before Louis Pasteur discovered germs- while the Europeans were throwing their trash out the window causing the plague.
bongsmilie
And the Hebrews still had cesspools, what's your point?

Your failure to address criticisms of your claims does not go unnoticed by other readers.
 

KlosetKing

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About 732 B.C.E., the prophet Isaiah said "Babylon would fall." Isaiah provided specifics: A leader named “Cyrus” would be the conqueror, the protective waters of the Euphrates would “dry up,” and the city’s gates would “not be shut.” Isaiah 44:27

Isaiah made a further startling prediction regarding Babylon: “She will never be inhabited.”
Isaiah 13:19, 20

*I found this info*
He predicted a downfall of a society. Your quote still did not provide the details you claim, such as dates . Try again. Its still just as 'openly interpretable' as nostradamus' predictions and horoscopes.

-edit-
From the bible: Isaiah 44:
26 who carries out the words of his servants
and fulfills the predictions of his messengers,
who says of Jerusalem, 'It shall be inhabited,'
of the towns of Judah, 'They shall be rebuilt,'
and of their ruins, 'I will restore them,'
27 who says to the watery deep, 'Be dry,
and I will dry up your streams,'
28 who says of Cyrus, 'He is my shepherd
and will accomplish all that I please;
he will say of Jerusalem, "Let it be rebuilt,"
and of the temple, "Let its foundations be laid."'


Man, so detailed.....
 

mygirls

Medical Marijuana (MOD)
Why is the Bible so Revered as the "Word of GOD". It's not like god wrote a book and placed it down for a prophet to find it. The bible is just stories that where told orally until someone that actually knew how to read and write turned it into a book. So how do we know The bible is not just a really famous fiction novel that a roman solider brought back to Italy and said god wrote this so follow it with me.
Because as you may notice all the origins of Christianity are based in the middle east, yet there are hardly any Christians over there.

It's easier to believe your friend won a fight if you weren't right there watching him get his ass beat. know what I mean.
do you even know what GOD stands for

GOVERNMENT OF DISTRUCTION...
 

BrotherBuz

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You are the one that needs to pay attention. First of all, you never mentioned Isaiah at all, you said specifically it was Job and you said that you have to pay attention to the context. There's no context when you're giving the wrong fucking scripture!
At some point you will just have admit that you might have been mistaken. That's okay, there's no shame. People are taught incorrect things all of the time but when you learn the truth, you should stop using Job 26 as some sort of proof text.
You're a master at talking in circles, . . . I bet you even trip yourself up. :lol: Listen up and follow closely. Okay, I got the scripture mixed up. However, it does not change the fact that Job 26:7 says, " . . . the earth hangs upon nothing." And at Isaiah 40:22 it says, "There is one who is dwelling above the circle of the earth . . ."
You can talk as much bullshit ass you like, because it’s written in most bibles, there for all to see - you can't stop that!!! :mrgreen:
 

djruiner

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You're a master at talking in circles, . . . I bet you even trip yourself up. :lol: Listen up and follow closely. Okay, I got the scripture mixed up. However, it does not change the fact that Job 26:7 says, " . . . the earth hangs upon nothing." And at Isaiah 40:22 it says, "There is one who is dwelling above the circle of the earth . . ."
You can talk as much bullshit ass you like, because it’s written in most bibles, there for all to see - you can't stop that!!! :mrgreen:
i take it you didn't read a single thing i posted....was covering just that....you quote the bible as if it was proven facts...just like the rest of the sheep.anytime anyone questions the bible all you people can do is quote the bible...as if it was facts.bring something more to the table or step away from it.
 
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