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karri0n

karri0n

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Padawanbater2 said:
"organized religion provides the medium for otherwise good people to do terrible things"

I disagree.

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."

-Steven Weinberg, Nobel Laureate in physics

That's the original quote.

There's not very many things that will make a good man do something that will harm another person, but organized religion is one of them.
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Can you give me an example? In my opinion, religion or not, if they are doing something to hurt others, then they aren't good people.
 
secretweapon

secretweapon

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Trying to explain evolution to a creationist will get you nowhere.

[video=youtube;YFjoEgYOgRo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFjoEgYOgRo[/video]
 
VER D

VER D

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Balzac89 said:
Genetic variation caused by procreation is what caused these mutations. And Evolution is the idea that animals with certain genetic variations would survive to pass on their genetic traits to sucessive enerations. The animals with mutations that hasten survival like retardation would die off.

How do you not understand that?

You know when to people fuck they have a baby. The baby is a combination of the two peoples DNA which results in a new being with the genetic variations of both parents. These genetics variations are all characteristics of individuals. Which can be good and bad. Such as high intelligence or alcoholism. Ones lives and one dies, ones passes on Genetics and one does not. Laymens terms.

Our society skews the entire theory with our advancement in technologies. Now the idiots bang like crazy because they live longer and the world is full of idiots who don't understand a basic concept like evolution.
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ok but what caused these mutations was it like the ninja turtles were the walked in to radioactive waste and they turned in to ninjas(not tryin to make fun of evolution its the only example i could think of)
 
crackerboy

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mindphuk said:
BTW, learn the difference between 'where' and 'were'. Your ignorance about biological evolution is compounded when it appears you have been unable to get past second grade level English.
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Why do you always feel the need to point out some minor spelling mishaps on a stoner website. Yeah I get really high and type fast. By the way I was a science and math major. My trig teacher couldn't spell worth a crap but he could see equations in everything. But its mostly cause I'm stoned and just don't pay that much attention. Some times auto correct will screw you if your not paying attention.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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crackerboy said:
Why do you always feel the need to point out some minor spelling mishaps on a stoner website. Yeah I get really high and type fast. By the way I was a science and math major. My trig teacher couldn't spell worth a crap but he could see equations in everything. But its mostly cause I'm stoned and just don't pay that much attention. Some times auto correct will screw you if your not paying attention.
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It just makes you look bad, mp points it out for your benefit. You'd want someone to point out if you had some corn in your teeth right? Its all the same.

Ps. Have you noticed nobody seems to fit the description I asked for? Where are the evolutionary literate theists?

That should tell you something crackerboy..

..the people who don't accept the theory of evolution simply don't understand it, this thread and many other things prove it.
 
karri0n

karri0n

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Padawanbater2 said:
It just makes you look bad, mp points it out for your benefit. You'd want someone to point out if you had some corn in your teeth right? Its all the same.

Ps. Have you noticed nobody seems to fit the description I asked for? Where are the evolutionary literate theists?

That should tell you something crackerboy..

..the people who don't accept the theory of evolution simply don't understand it, this thread and many other things prove it.
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Implying that this forum is likely to contain the broader part of the academic and scientific community. That's like making a thread asking if anyone on the forum smokes crack, receiving no replies, then asserting that your thread proves nobody in the world smokes crack.

Also, as is always done in these threads, both you and MP completely skipped over the part of Crackerboy's post that provides a relevant argument(or in this case, not even an argument, but some information that you requested). I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were both too busy commenting on his grammar to see the requested info, and reiterate it for you:

crackerboy said:
Dr. Arial Roth. His credentials are a mile long. There are hundreds of scientists that signed the Dissent from Darwinism.
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Full disclosure: I didn't look into Dr. Arial Roth, but I highly doubt you did either.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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I didn't... Know why? Because I have before, and all it amounts to is more creationist logic. Howabout you look into that, then while you're at it go check out the list of Steve's... Lmao. Get back to me...
 
mindphuk

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karri0n said:
Also, as is always done in these threads, both you and MP completely skipped over the part of Crackerboy's post that provides a relevant argument(or in this case, not even an argument, but some information that you requested). I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were both too busy commenting on his grammar to see the requested info, and reiterate it for you:



Full disclosure: I didn't look into Dr. Arial Roth, but I highly doubt you did either.
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First of all, I never requested such names, I know they exist. There are whole websites dedicated to these liars for Jesus.

Second, we have already discussed these folks before and have shown crackerboy that they do nothing but regurgitate the same tired creationist attempts to discredit evolution while never actually doing any science that will support their tired, rehashed arguments. There are about the same number of scientists that support a flat earth as there are that support creationism. http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/
 
mindphuk

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crackerboy said:
Why do you always feel the need to point out some minor spelling mishaps on a stoner website. Yeah I get really high and type fast. By the way I was a science and math major. My trig teacher couldn't spell worth a crap but he could see equations in everything. But its mostly cause I'm stoned and just don't pay that much attention. Some times auto correct will screw you if your not paying attention.
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I don't always feel a need to point out misspellings, it is your atrocious grammar that becomes tiresome to read. You continually make the same mistakes, it's not an occasional misspelling. but of course you would blame being high. Blame everything but yourself. You're not misspelling, you are using the wrong fucking words, they mean different things. Quit blaming your computer's spell-check, it isn't intended to fix grammatical errors.

All of this ignores the point that my comment about your inability to speak proper English was an aside and yet you decide that was the more important thing to quote and respond to rather than the actual criticism of your argument that was the main part of the post. This is so typical of you, to deflect and ignore the pertinent comments to take focus off the fact that you continue to lie, evade questions and conflate theories about the origin of life with the theory of how life changes over time once it exists.
 
kbo ca

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RollUpMikey said:
The theory has yet to be proven completely flawless, but then again.. look at the bible. (notice how i didn't capitalize on the 'B')
If Stephen Hawking had another 20 years with a full psychical working body, Science would not necessarily only prove it right, but make it obsolete.
Tithing on Sunday's church has become a thing of the past. People tithe to keep their own religion alive, and also puts big bucks into the creator of their churches wallet.
People "donate" more $ into their church each year then annually on fundraisers and legitimate causes.
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At my church you see what your tithe goes to. The money goes to charities and work for God, such as missions to third world countries where we build houses, feed people, provide medicine, the list goes on. Some of the money the church generates goes to a church mortgage, payment for pastorial services equipment upkeep etc. Don't think that all the money you tithe goes in to somebody's wallet because that just isn't true.
 
karri0n

karri0n

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mindphuk said:
First of all, I never requested such names, I know they exist. There are whole websites dedicated to these liars for Jesus.

Second, we have already discussed these folks before and have shown crackerboy that they do nothing but regurgitate the same tired creationist attempts to discredit evolution while never actually doing any science that will support their tired, rehashed arguments. There are about the same number of scientists that support a flat earth as there are that support creationism. http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/
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1. No, but Pad requested them with the OP of this thread.

2. The flat earth society is a forum full of trolls/satirists. There are no scientists involved here.

Once again, I'm not supporting creationism. Pad asked for the names of someone who understands evolution yet still disputes it. Crackerboy did this. That's really all there is to it.
 
mindphuk

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karri0n said:
1. No, but Pad requested them with the OP of this thread.

2. The flat earth society is a forum full of trolls/satirists. There are no scientists involved here.

Once again, I'm not supporting creationism. Pad asked for the names of someone who understands evolution yet still disputes it. Crackerboy did this. That's really all there is to it.
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I gotcha. I guess all I was saying is that I don't really think it's relevant to consider people that aren't able to respond in this thread. We have no way of questioning someone like Dr. Roth and putting tough questions to him. I have no idea if he dismisses all of the evidence for common ancestry or find out other details. For example, Behe and Dembski, the two heavyweights of ID both admit that species have common ancestry. Behe has also admitted that in order for ID to be considered a science, the definition of science has to change to include the supernatural. Of course this opens Pandora's box wrt every other supernatural and extraordinary claim including astrology, crystal power and basically anything magical. Most rational people see this as fallacious right away. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/19/national/19evolution.html
VER D said:
what if god made us evolved
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This is essentially the argument that Behe and Dembski appear to be making. Let me ask, if a god made all species but somehow made it appear as if they evolved through natural means, that is a deceitful god and not one worthy of worship. Either that or the question become merely philosophical masturbation because one could just as easily ask what if god makes it so gravity works? What if god controls whether electrons act as a wave or particle? It's really meaningless to ask a question that can never be tested or falsified.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Lmfao crackerboy proves the point of the thread!

Point is- nobody who really understands the theory of evolution disputes it. The only ones that do... Don't understand it...
 
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