veggiegardener
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Exactly. Trying to meet my wife's personal need in 25 square feet is impossible. I've been ignoring bad laws for forty years. I'm not going to support more bad laws.
AND PROP 19 WILL BE BAD LAW IF PASSED.
Why I'm voting NO on prop. 19
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AND PROP 19 WILL BE BAD LAW IF PASSED.
The Ruiner
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You have no guarantees. And to say that people that are against it are incapable of producing high quality meds or only want money is quite insulting...I have nothing to lose from 19, I just hate what it stands for: THE CORPORATE TAKEOVER OF WEED. I think that given your latitude, your opinion of californias' weed-mafia efforts to corner the market are out of place and out of touch with the MJ community at large in California. 19 is a slap in the face. 19 will be an open invitation for phillip morris/RJ renoylds to come here and force people out of business. There is enough money behind 19, and the "legalization" effort in general to grease all the right palms, and that's exactly whats happened already. Bret Bogue is out there braggin about his 13 billion dollars to legalize nationally, and they intend to use california laws as a model (meaning small growers will be fucked). If its legal, then why such a push to make so exclusive? From the start of the so-called legalization, competition will be shut out, there will be no open market outside of the corporate one that has decided what you will smoke, where you will buy and smoke, how much you will pay...Furthermore, you saying its okay for insiders of the industry to write the laws by endorsing the "regulated" arguement, look at what that has done for the environment by the energy sector. So we should just trust this will be different? I think thats a really bad idea...
420God
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Yes, mass produced MJ. So it might not knock you out in one hit but I bet it'll be a lot fucking better then Mexican brick and a whole hell of a lot more worth it. So I throw a couple extra dollars in uncle sams pocket, at least it's staying in this country and possibly towards some good. Better than paying a drug dealers rent.
veggiegardener
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Kinda stupid and arrogant aren't you?
Go to my thread, linked at the bottom of this post. If you can get what I need in 25 sq. ft., tell me how.
I helped fight the square foot battle in Humboldt County a few years ago. I KNOW what some of the best growers in the World can do, indoors and out.
They convinced the local government that FIFTY sq. ft. was inadequate.
I don't want to go indoors for a bunch of reasons, and I KNOW I can beat any yields YOU might get, indoors or out.
Remember, this stupid law says 25 SQUARE FEET PER PROPERTY. I provide for myself and 3 others, on MY property.
If this passes, you'll live to regret it.
Dan Kone
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Well all three of you have your 215 rec right? So this limit doesn't even effect you. So what's the problem?
it won't hurt anyone that gets arrested with all the NEW LAWS it ADDS?
well that's cool.
there is no such thing as "mexican brick" in california. everybody here already smokes the bomb.
Penni Walli
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you guys know, not everyone is able to obtain a med card right ? maybe they don't have any illness about them or they are on probation or a 4th waiver like my self. you med people need to stop being greedy and only thinking about your self. MJ needs to be legalized for recreation and not only for just medicinal use.
Wow, read a thread before you respond. Veggie, Ruiner and myself are not saying cannabis should be illegal.
We are all saying that if this is made into law, it's going to fuck A LOT of people.
The only ones benefiting will be the ones who are funding the campaign.
All of you you want to get high just for fun, great. Think about someone other than yourself
and understand what PROP 19 is really about. Money and power.
Penni Walli
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for your information i have been reading this thread and all i hear is complaints about '' omg i won't be able to grow a lot of plants anymore '' '' omg corporations are going to take over ''
For medical people nothing is going to change, you still will be able to grow as many plants as your doctor says is ok. And for the people crying about corporations taking over, you really think big companies will produce crip weed in bulk ?? True smokers won't buy that mid grade bulk crap trust me. Yes they are going to make a lot of money selling this crap to casual smokers, and the hardcore smokers who have a taste for delicacies will do business with locals who grow from the heart. Nothing is going to change really, except the fact that our tax paying dollars won't be wasted on MJ arrests any more, prop 19 is going to provide thousands with jobs and create a huge revenue to our country.
Dan Kone
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Of course not. There will always be a market for locally grown top shelf buds. And of course they can always grow their own. What "omg corporations are going to take over" really means for most people who say it is "omg Now that there is more competition I'm going to have to sell my shit for a reasonable price."
As for the people, I can't figure out why they'd support a system that makes price gouging a standard practice. 215 has made that system better, no doubt, but still there are $60 8ths for sale across most of California.
The Ruiner
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Yay...Dan Kone to the rescue... More people that think people against 19 have everything to lose...Yay...More people that make really assinine assumptions like we are all price gougers...Yay
To clear some things up....
1. Some of us have done EVERYTHING by the book and we still do not like 19 (what was that about not filing the paper work, Dan?)
2. A lot of us do not DONATE (cause I don't sell weed, and I don't know any MMJ growers that do) at higher than market prices. If you are talking like that, then you are already part of the problem.
3. Your tax dollars will be going to enforce that people are smoking "lawfully obtained" MJ, so there will still be arrests/citations (which an OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of MJ related "arrests" were mere misdemeanors) for possessing MJ, 19 makes it so that you have to have the right kind, or a receipt.
4. There is another piece of legislation in 2012 that is much more in tune with the MJ community, that prevents a lot of the crap thats in 19 from happening. So I would suggest that the prideful or just plain lazy Californians for this measure either get a script, or not smoke for two years. Because you are willing to break laws for your pride, but not use one for your protection, gives one an impression of irrationality and impulsive behavior. Fucking viagra is considered medical, why the hell wont you think of cannabis in the same way?
To clear some things up....
1. Some of us have done EVERYTHING by the book and we still do not like 19 (what was that about not filing the paper work, Dan?)
2. A lot of us do not DONATE (cause I don't sell weed, and I don't know any MMJ growers that do) at higher than market prices. If you are talking like that, then you are already part of the problem.
3. Your tax dollars will be going to enforce that people are smoking "lawfully obtained" MJ, so there will still be arrests/citations (which an OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of MJ related "arrests" were mere misdemeanors) for possessing MJ, 19 makes it so that you have to have the right kind, or a receipt.
4. There is another piece of legislation in 2012 that is much more in tune with the MJ community, that prevents a lot of the crap thats in 19 from happening. So I would suggest that the prideful or just plain lazy Californians for this measure either get a script, or not smoke for two years. Because you are willing to break laws for your pride, but not use one for your protection, gives one an impression of irrationality and impulsive behavior. Fucking viagra is considered medical, why the hell wont you think of cannabis in the same way?
420God
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You just said it, after the FDA gets to throw their warning labels on it insurance companies will pick up the tab for prescribed MJ. The inssurance companies money is a hell of a lot more reliable than yours. Look at the bigger picture, you're trying to make the same arguement small businesses did when Walmart took over, you will lose.
And for those of you think that Mexican brick comes from Mexico than you need to be a little more aware of the world around you. Do you really think they can move that much product across the border, no, they grow it here then send the money back.
Read this- http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20100820/GPG1009/308200140/Was-huge-pot-bust-linked-to-drug-cartels-
So yes I would rather have big business take over.
The Ruiner
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Mexican brick comes from mexico...I know this as a fact. There is a lot of outdoor in cali, but you can tell the difference between mexi and cali outdoor, if you cant tell that the bomb ass pure haze you got in your hand isnt from mexico then i guess ignorance is bliss.
They can't perscribe it if they cant patent it... and the FDA is federal, they can't get involved anyway. and furthermore, what insurance company would cover a med that the FDA doesnt approve?
They can't perscribe it if they cant patent it... and the FDA is federal, they can't get involved anyway. and furthermore, what insurance company would cover a med that the FDA doesnt approve?
medical covers 250 dollars a month if you send in your receipts.
The Ruiner
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for MMJ? really?
yeah, kinda crazy. they have been doing it for years. last i heard anyways.
The Ruiner
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I cant find anything that mentions this specifically...
The Ruiner
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Infact, that's a good point. Insurance companies need the state law to be changed so that they can offer coverage for it, I am reading... Everything works out so conveniently for large corporations...
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